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My first section of the test was an experimental LG so gotta love using all that energy before it even counts.
@"Cant Get Right"
Why should you allow the experimental to affect your score expectation. On the basis of your report, I'm predicting a mid 170's, at worst, for you!
If you're going to discuss the September 2017 LSAT, PLEASE read the rules! I've seen so many broken rules in the past few days.
Does anyone with 2 LR sections remember a store security camera question?
I do, that is real
Anyone remember an LR question about the Arctic and Colder weather? Was it real...?
does anyone else feel really foggy about how they did? Like I came out it confused because I didn’t think any particular section was unreasonably difficult (expect that experimental RC); however, I also don’t feel really confident either. I feel like for any section I could have missed 3 more than my average, but I can’t point to any questions that gave me more trouble than any of the PTs
I think this is perfectly normal. I can't believe anyone can remember anything. I don't even remember things as broad as RC passage topics until I see them mentioned again on the forums. I'm with you on that. I guess we'll see how we did in a few weeks!
This is exactly how I feel lol. I know RC sucked and LG was good but it's all just BLEH
Thanks man, we'll see how it turns out. I really would be interested in seeing score break downs on tests with different experimental sections. I've done this thing enough now to have learned just how holistic an experience this test is, so I wouldn't be surprised either way. No idea how many questions any section had, lol, so we'll just see what happens. Hopefully it's just under confidence.
It sounds like you dealt with your nerves/under confidence correctly. You felt nervous but knew you had crossed your threshold and needed to move on and did. Don't worry about the bad thoughts, haha. We'll all spend the next month running different contingencies, mostly worst case scenarios, lol. You probably did fine on the ones you moved on from even though you were shaky. Just part of it.
My feelings exactly.
I'm not sure it was necessarily all that hard. I was definitely off my A Game a bit which I think accounted for most of the perceived difficulty. I'm positive I'm fully capable of crushing the section, I was just in my head: thinking too much about how I was thinking. Hopefully I pulled through alright, but a lot more low probability answers than I'm used to. I'll get some of them and miss others, it'll just be a matter of which way it trends.
I had all 3 LR
guys, I don't think you can talk about question types, only topics.
just saying :P don't want y'all to get in trouble!
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Make sure to edit out the specifics of the logic games guys!! Don't want anyone to get in trouble. Just say the game about food was hard or something.
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Has there been any consensus about which LR sections are experimental for both the 25 25 26 and 25 26 26 formats?
I had my first section be the experimental LG as well. I'm actually quite glad it was LG even if it was first section because to me LG doesn't really take much effort. At least with the way I approach the section, it's like I'm on autopilot and just do it as opposed to LR and RC which take a bunch of mental power imo
(Because what else am I going to do for the next 22 days...)
All in all, statically we can conclude that a second -9 in a row is unlikely. -11 looks good, but who knows.
PT Curve
60 -12
61 -12
62 -14
63 -11
64 -13
65 -14
66 -10
67 -10
68 -12
69 -11
70 -12
71 -14
72 -13
73 -12
74 -12
75 -10
76 -12
77 -12
78 -11
79 -12
80 -11
81 -9
82 TBD!!!
Does anyone else feel like the Sept test didn't feel the same as the PT's leading up to it?
I don't mean that the questions/structure/difficulty was any different, but just that your mindset and approach felt different?
This is what has me the most unsettled. I told my husband that taking the LSAT almost felt robotic. I simply couldn't get my head into the game. I don't think I did terribly. I understood the vast majority of the questions and feel confident about almost all of my answers. But I never felt sincerely invested for a single second of that entire five hours.
Two minutes after I walked out of that building? Invested AF. Contemplating pet owners' allergies and cars' electrical issues? Couldn't have cared less.
It was the oddest feeling. I stressed and fretted 10x more over every single PT I took under simulated test conditions. But when I was actually sitting for the exam, I felt oddly emotionally absent.
@not2lindsay yeah this is exactly what I mean. I honestly feel like I did about 4-5 below my average so like a 164. However I just don't know, I know I didn't suck but I also didn't feel as "clear headed" as usual it was surreal.
How do we know which was experimental again?
There are people who got only one real RC. So they know which one is real.
Here are the keywords for the September 2017 LSAT.
https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/12783/september-2017-lsat-real-experimental-sections-keywords
@LSATcantwin @not2lindsay
You guys are summing up exaaaaaaaactly how I felt. During PTs I feel like I'm really understanding each question, parsing through all the answers, and picking the right choice. But on the real LSAT, it felt robotic..it felt like I was in some sort of flow state, or my mind was just on auto-pilot. I don't remember most of the questions; I was just going..like I was picking answers based on intuition and not reasoning...
Because of that I have no idea how I did..maybe my intuition is really strong? But maybe it failed me. I just don't know. It felt surreal, like I wan't actually there...
@bswise2
I'm hoping for like a -14 curve
but since the LG was so easy idk if that's gonna happen. I think optmistically a -11 is a best case scenario.
Yeah, I'm guessing -10. LG was on par with June 2017, RC was easier on the whole, the judges passage was tricky, but doable, nowhere near as brutal as June. And if I'm remembering correctly the LR passages were split; one easy one quite hard. And June was a -9 Sigh
-10 seems fair. I think there's a better chance for a -11 than a -9. I've taken every PT since 52 (and some before) and this didn't feel abnormally easy. It felt about on par with 74 (-12), and slightly harder than 78 (-11). Plus, after lurking on forums like 7Sage, TLS, and PowerScore, it seems a decent amount of prepared testers struggled with this one.
Granted, this is all anecdotal and LSAC is the devil.
As you'll notice, for the most part, the more lenient curves are PTs with a weird or difficult logic game. I think that that, more than anything else, has in the past determined the curve. Since LG was pretty tame for PT 82, I wouldn't expect a curve of -12. The same happened with PT 81. Many people complained about the difficulty of the RC, and some about the difficulty of LR, but ultimately the easiness of LG led to an unforgiving curve of -9.
The information above is not the correct information regarding curves. You're about 1 off for each PT (79 is -12, for instance). The correct information can be found here: https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/correct_targeted.cfm
Oops! Thanks- just fixed it!
Some of the passages were SOOOO EASYYYY. Judges candor completely screwed me and now I have 5 minutes to read about how absolute theories are failed! But it was easy to read Even though I rushed it so fast.
LG was cake. If you had a hard time with this LG then I can tell you that there are easy points you are not reaping.
LR was absolute horseshit. Very weird and wordy questions. Like they purposely want you to get lost in the wording.
don't be afraid to retake. You want something, get it and don't settle.
My money is on -11. Easy logic games makes -10 seem possible, but I think it's easy to overestimate the contribution of LG difficulty to the curve. Being on this forum, anyone posting here or reading this comment has prepared for Logic Games in some capacity. The performance difference between "easy" and "difficult" games is more pronounced among our subgroup than it is in the general LSAT-taking population. People who go into the LSAT blind aren't going to do significantly better on an "easy" test than they are on a "hard" test because they'll likely A) Not finish a game or two and
Guess on questions that require upfront deductions.
RC was a bit tougher than usual of the past 20 tests, and LR was about the same, maybe a tad trickier. 11 makes the most sense to me given that train of thought.
out of curiosity, though, do we know why some of the mid 60's/early 70's got such high curves? I found them to be a lot easier than say, 81.
Logic games were tougher. We didn't have any games that required any serious inference making or unlimited scenarios. The RC was also much easier ignoring the judge passage and LR I believe was harder than the other PTs. Idk if you guys caught the difficult ones at the beginning of the test as well. The first 10 were definitely a little time consuming.
Yep! Real!
@Kewlaidd males an excellent point about our skewed perspective. On the whole peoe on this site are more prepared, more serious, and definitely more well trained in logic games than your average Joe LSATovich. It's very possible that our instinctive inferences made games easy for us when Joe really struggled.
No offense to Joe, but I sure hope so! #AllAboutThatCurve
Those games would have been a lot harder without the inferences.
I would have to imagine that the release date won't be that much before the 12th now that the Florida retakes are a week later. Oh well.
Has anyone come to any conclusions on if the 1st or 3rd section was experimental on the LR(25)-LG-LR(25)-LR(26)-RC test format? Would appreciate any input even if you are not certain
Mine was the third section, but I'm not sure it's the same for everyone. It's best to figure out based on question descriptions. School drinking policy was in my first section which is why I know it was the real one.
Interesting maybe we had the same test...do you recall a question about the arctic and colder winters? I think it would have been in the 2nd LR section, and the 3rd over all section of the test
I don't remember that question, and I'm usually pretty good with subject matter (though I've heard cuttlefish a lot as a real question and have no memory of that, so who knows).
No one seems to remember this question when I ask about it. It lead's me to conclude that I had LR-LG-LR(exp)-LR-RC. This stinks because I guessed on 1 question in the first LR because it was hard as crap! haha
That first section was definitely difficult. Was debating between two answer choices on one question right before time was called and was erasing the one I didn't go with as time was called. Have no reasoning for why I picked it other than pure gut instinct/panic.
Same...between that LR section and the RC I'm sure my dreams of 170+ are highly unlikely to be realized. Especially if the curve is what everyone predicts, between those two alone I feel like I missed 9 questions
Anecdotally, I thought the same in June because of the inferences passage (I thought I had missed every question because I felt good about exactly zero of them), but I ended up at 170 (somehow only missed two in inferences). You never KNOW until you get the score.
This time however, I likely didn't because of Judges. Had to "guess" on five questions (I read the question and maybe one or two answer choices and just convinced myself it must be right because it had to be). So that's a way different feeling from June. If the curve is the same and I made my usual mistake or two per LR section and mistake per RC passage, I'll definitely be under.
They can't possibly give us another easy LG/hard RC test again in December right!?
Haha...this IS the LSAC we are talking about. Unfortunately for me LR and RC are wildcards. I don't know why but one day I'll destroy them and the next I get destroyed, regardless of difficulty....PT81 I went -2 on RC. PT80 I went -0 on RC. PT79 I went -9 on RC....What is life?
LR is always like -5 and -3ish....so I'm just not feeling confident!
I do the same on RC. Occasionally a passage will come up that just throws me. Usually it's just the subject matter makes it hard for me to focus for some reason and I realize pretty quickly after reading that I took in none of it. I think it was PT75 or 74 I took the week before this time and missed 5 of 6 on a comparative passage out of nowhere. This should have been a sign of some kind to watch out for the comparative section :-P
Exactly! I took PT79 as the real test last Sept and I couldn't care any less about lacquer and art...so of course I got DEMOLISHED by it...unfortunately the RC this test felt more similar to PT79 than it did to PT80 and 81 to me...