Rossi: It is undemocratic for people to live under a government in which their interests are not represented. So children should have the right to vote, since sometimes the interests of children are different from those of their parents.

Smith: Granted, children’s interests are not always the same as their parents’; governmental deficits incurred by their parents’ generation will later affect their own generation’s standard of living. But even if children are told about the issues affecting them, which is not generally the case, their conceptions of what can or should be done are too simple, and their time horizons are radically different from those of adults, so we cannot give them the responsibility of voting.

Summary

Rossi asserts that children should get the right to vote, since it’s undemocratic for people to live under a government that doesn’t represent their interests, and children’s interests are sometimes different from the interests of their parents. Smith acknowledges that children and parents can have different interests. But he concludes that we shouldn’t give children the right to vote, because their conception about what the government can or should do is too simple, and because their timeline for being affected by the government is very different from that timeline for adults.

Strongly Supported Conclusions

For some people, it’s acceptable that that they live under a government that doesn’t represent all of their interests.

The simplicity of one’s understanding is relevant to whether one should get the right to vote.

A
A democratic government does not infringe on the rights of any of its citizens.

Unsupported. Smith doesn’t say anything about infringing on rights and whether a democratic government can engage in such infringement.

B
Children have rights that must be respected by any political authority that rules over them.

Unsupported. Smith doesn’t say anything concerning whether children’s rights should be respected. He concludes they shouldn’t get the right to vote. It’s not clear whether this means children have other rights that should be respected.

C
News programs for children would give them enough information to enable them to vote in an informed way.

Unsupported. Smith doesn’t say anything concerning how children might be made to be knowledgeable enough to vote. Maybe children just can’t understand news programs.

D
If there are any limitations on full democracy that result from denying the vote to children, such limitations must be accepted.

Strongly supported. Smith concludes that children shouldn’t be given the right to vote. This implies that Smith believes whatever consequences are associated with children’s lack of the right to vote are worth bearing.

E
If parents do not adequately represent their children’s interests in the political sphere, those interests will be adequately represented by someone else.

Unsupported. Smith doesn’t suggest that there is anyone who could adequately represent children’s interests besides parents.


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For clarity, sentence two expresses the main point of the passage. In the video, I drew the "premise line" too high up making it seem like sentence two is a premise when it is not.


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Alissa: If, as the mayor says, the city can no longer continue to fund both the children’s museum and local children’s television programming, then it should cease funding the television programming. The interactive character of the exhibits at the museum makes for a richer educational experience than watching television, which is largely passive.

Greta: We should stop funding the museum, not the television programming, because, as the mayor has also pointed out, the museum reaches a much smaller audience.

Speaker 1 Summary
Alissa argues that if the city has to cut funding for either the children’s museum or local children’s television, it should cut the television funding. The support offered is that the museum offers a richer educational experience, compared to passive television-watching.

Speaker 2 Summary
Greta counters that the city should actually cut funding to the museum first. In support, Greta points out that many more children watch the television programming, whereas the museum has a more limited number of visitors.

Objective
We need to find a point of disagreement. The speakers disagree about, if the city has to cut funding to something, whether it should be television programming or the museum.

A
whether the city will need to cease funding local children’s television programming if it continues funding the children’s museum
Like (B), neither speaker makes this claim. Alissa and Greta are discussing the hypothetical case that the city might need to choose between these two services. Neither directly expresses an opinion about whether that choice is actually necessary.
B
whether the mayor has spoken truthfully about what will need to happen if the city does not cease funding local children’s television programming
Like (A), this is not a topic in discussion. Alissa and Greta are concerned with what the city should do if the mayor’s claim is true, but they never discuss whether the mayor’s claim is actually true.
C
whether the city should cease funding local children’s television programming if continuing to fund it would mean that the city would have to cease funding the children’s museum
Alissa agrees that this should happen but Greta disagrees, so this is the point of disagreement. If the city has to choose between television and the museum, Alissa argues that it should save the museum, but Greta says it should save the television programming.
D
whether local children’s television programming provides a beneficial educational experience to a greater number of children in the city than does the children’s museum
Greta agrees that the television programming reaches more children than the museum, but Alissa doesn’t disagree. Alissa says nothing about how many children interact with each service, and just focuses on the quality of each one.
E
whether the children’s museum provides a rich educational experience for those children who visit it
Alissa agrees that this is true, but Greta doesn’t disagree. Greta isn’t saying that the museum has no educational value, she just thinks it’s more important to reach a greater number of children.

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