Non native speaker, international student. Did all RC and LG questions from PT 1-91 (many multiple times), about 80% of the LR questions too. Took 22 timed tests, put in about 500 hours while working full time at a stressful job in a law firm

Thank you 7sage, you’re truly a blessing.

To all those struggling, keep pushing and then push some more, you will get through! You’re stronger than the test.

I have always wanted to go to law school, but it mainly lived in the back of my mind as a dream and not a real concept. As a junior in college majoring in Marketing, I realized I wasn't anywhere near as interested in sales or marketing as I once was. I decided after months of consideration to start studying for the June 2022 test in January 2022. I went through the entire 7sage course and finished it in early April, then took a few practice tests over the following six weeks. I took the test in June and just found out that I got a 157! I am retaking it in the fall because my GPA is a low 3.3 so I don't think that will help me at all, but I just wanted to come on here and share a few things I experienced that is not typically publicized. This may not work for you but it has worked for me very well and I feel like I should let everyone know that there are many different ways to find success! I'm by no means an expert, just someone wanting to share their story :)

I took many study breaks during the time I was preparing. I started in January, and I am a Division 1 swimmer for my college team so I didn't have all the time in the world. I am up at 5 am five times a week, and I practice over 20 hours a week. I took a two week break for swim conference and the week after, one week for spring break, one week for final exam studying and a week for the actual exams, and many weekend breaks for formals, traveling plans, holidays, etc. I studied a lot don't get me wrong, but I made sure to have fun and relax when I needed to. I also really enjoyed studying so when I did I got a lot done at a time.

I scored 152-55 on my practice tests and got a 157 on the real one. Uncommon, right? Don't go in thinking you will score lower on the real one. I have always been told that, but personally I could never get myself to truly focus enough on the prep tests compared to the real one. I feel like others may be able to relate to that; common ADHD side effect. So don't worry if your prep tests are not where you want to be: there is a chance you will score higher on the real one. Personally I find it hard to focus entirely on something unless it is as serious as the real test was so I am not shocked this was the case for me.

I studied alone, and only used 7 sage. I looked over the book for a little bit but found it hard to stay focused. I did everything on my own terms on my own time and it worked out in my favor in the end. Again, may not be common but may work for some of you.

I threw so many things out the window when it came to logical reasoning. I forgot half of the A --> B methods by the time the test came around; for some reason it just did not stick with me. Maybe that wasn't a good thing but I felt it saved me time in the long run. I just went with my gut and my instincts.

Lastly, I practiced skills way more than I did tests. This may be obvious, but I literally only took three prep tests and one I decided to do last minute in my bed at 10 pm because I was bored. I find it way more helpful to do smaller 6-10 question sets and review those because it shows me more of a pattern of my mistakes.

ALSO: Something that is not advertised enough: Law schools are lowering their standards every year due to lower interest in law school. I have read dozens of articles about how some schools are now accepting students with an LST lower than 140, which before may have seemed unrealistic. Even if you do not meet your personal standards, there is a high chance there is still a school out there for you. Work on getting rec letters and having a stellar personal statement, and if your GPA or LSAT are low, take the time to explain why. This will stand out to admissions!

Again, this may not work for you and it may seem stupid but I didn't think there was any way I would be above a 153 on my first test, much less above a 155 and here we are with a 157. I will be sure to update after my September test, but I felt this was a good enough starting out story to share :)

Hey guys :) I am posting this because I have seen some conflicting information and it was stressing me out, so I wanted to share in case it helps anyone else.

This is directly from LSAC: "The shipment of testing materials will include a paper-based version of the LSAT, as well as a paper-based answer sheet which you will use to record your responses. You will not enter your answers on the computer, although the computer is used to set up the live remote-proctoring for the scheduled test session with ProctorU. You will be allowed to write/highlight/underline directly in the test booklet. You will receive instructions with your package regarding returning testing materials."

***Also, make sure the address on your LSAC account matches to where you are going to be taking the exam. I originally had it as my permanent address at home, but I am in college so I had to change it so that the materials were sent to the correct address. (I'm guessing most people were smarter than me and put the correct address, but figured if it helps one person its worth it to remind.

I was PT-ing around a 171-172 but I scored a 169 on the June LSAT. I know crossing the 170 threshold makes a big difference but I'm torn. Please help..

Just got my third score back and it was lower than the first two. I give up. I'm done with the LSAT and done with my law school dreams.

Before the January LSAT, I was PT-ing around 168-172, but I only got a 157 in the January LSAT. I thought of the possible reasons like being nervous, screwing up two games, not simulating the test environment, etc. etc. Before the June test, I addressed all these things except for the being nervous part. I was pretty confident before the test cuz I PT-ed 175+ (if I didn't screw up the tough game that may or may not come up). In the June test I felt I screwed up the last circular game, but I expected it not to be that bad cuz it costed only 3 points max. Nevertheless, I only got a 160 this time... only 5 points above my first diagonisis test...

I feel so demoralized and confused now... I don't know what to do...Since I'm an international student, October would be my last shot... I think feeling nervous was a big part in the test cuz I felt my pace of taking the real test was a lot different from that of taking practice tests. I don't know how to deal with it, or is there anything else I ignored that contributed to such a huge difference?

Hi everyone! I took the June LSAT and did not sign up for score review, because I was confident that I was going to score well. My PTs had all been in the high 150s going into the test so I was not too worried. Sadly, I got my score back today and I scored a 148. Since I did not cancel this score will this hurt me when it's time to submit applications?

Hi everyone!

I took the June test and it was exactly my average from PTs (166)

My goal score is a 170

I am registered for the Aug. test but don't know how to move forward with studying from now until then and am also running low on materials.

Any advice would be much appreciated!

Thank you!

Sharing my story as encouragement, as many others encouraged me when I read their words. I'm happy to share my news with this wonderful community.

I got rejected to the Dallas law school I hoped to attend this fall. I was disappointed, but for many reasons I applied very late (extra late - don't be me) in the cycle and received my rejection a few weeks ago. I was sad to be rejected in Dallas, but not too bothered. I planned to take the test again this summer, and apply next cycle. Or the next.

I'm a nontraditional student. I'm a former DC federal legislation and regulations lobbyist, 44 years old, and married with a very little girl. My husband is being transferred to another city, so we are moving in a few weeks.

There is a law school in the new city. LAST WEEK I responded to a generic email I got from that law school. I told them a little about me, said I was moving to the city, and asked for more information. I shared my 158 LSAT score, and that I plan to retake the test.

In fact, that 158 was such a disappointment to me! I genuinely enjoy the LSAT. I've had so much fun practicing for it, learning it, getting better at it. But during real time on test day, between my ADHD, high anxiety and weird hour long proctor problems, I scored 5 points lower than my practice tests! I did not think I'd be able to get in to a school with this score.

And yet...FIVE minutes after I hit send on that email to that law school, the assistant dean of admissions called me. She encouraged me to apply, even as I asked some very skeptical questions. It turns out that my 158 was competitive there, especially with my background. So, with her encouragement, I took a chance and submitted my application. This was LAST WEDNESDAY. She called me back before noon the next day. She informed me that the school received my application overnight, as it happened, in time for the admissions board meeting which was being held that very morning. They threw my application in with the rest, and the admissions board approved me! I was admitted to law school less than 12 hours after submitting a resume, as late as late can possibly be in the cycle. I will be sitting in a law school class starting August 22.

I've never heard of an admissions story like this before. As a person of faith, I believe this has happened for a reason. My prayers are prayers of gratitude. I also know that it would not have happened at all, if it had not been for committing myself to improvement on this exam, and seeking out the resources, support, and amazing community of 7Sage. Very unexpectedly, I'll now be a 1L in a class in Tulsa by August. Thanks to JY, my 7Sage study buddies, and the nonstop encouragement of our broader community here. Thanks to you all, and to everyone else - Keep at it! We will all absolutely get there.

Elizabeth, Taking on the Beast

Anyone from India taking the LSAT? Lets form a study group?

Does anyone know how to interpret the green bar chart over the correct answer in the analytics tab? Does this simply mean that "x"% of students get this question right who are scoring in your score range? Or does it mean that the percent of people getting that question correct achieve the score above each answer choice?

I'm a little confused by this and would love some clarification if people have any!

If I understand correctly, there is no clock displayed during the LSAT, so timing yourself is more difficult. I know that per the LSAT website (https://www.lsac.org/lsat/frequently-asked-questions-about-lsat), you can have a wrist watch on, though it cannot have a timer/stop watch function/alarm function.

Has anyone found it beneficial to time themself on the LSAT with a wrist watch or something?

Open Office Hours, so bring your questions! We can talk LR, LG, RC, writing, admissions, law school, or whatever else y'all want to talk about. It's entirely up to you. Bring LSAT questions about fundamentals, time management strategy, general theory, procedure and execution, study strategies and diagnostics. Ask about law school admissions. Ask about 1L doctrinals, law school exam strategies, or writing legal research papers. I'm always happy to talk about my research which is primarily concerned with bird law, over-criminalization, housing and education policy, and law and social movements. The point is, whatever you want to ask about, ask about it! Feel free to ask ahead of time in this thread or through DM. Of course, you can always just ask live too. Lurkers are welcome if you don't feel like talking, but participation is always encouraged.

See y'all Thursday!

Thursday, January 26 at 7:30pm EST

A bit about who I am: To learn about my personal journey with the LSAT, you can check out 7Sage Podcast Number 1 for my discussion with JY: https://classic.7sage.com/1-ama-w-7sager-cant-get-right-152-to-176/ As the first ever 7Sage podcast, it's an oldie but, I like to think, a goodie. From a relatively low diagnostic, I improved about 50 percentiles to score a 176 on my official LSAT in Sept 2017. I attended Northwestern Law School and graduated with honors this spring. I've tutored the LSAT since 2016 and was a 7Sage Approved Tutor during the earlier version of tutoring on 7Sage. I have taught hundreds of students from all over the world and have sent them all across the T-14 and to target schools all over the US, Canada, and Australia. Post graduation, I have decided to do what I love which, for reasons I can't fully explain, is teaching the LSAT. In addition to tutoring, I am also President and Executive Director of Legal Education Access Plus, a non-profit committed to making legal education accessible to everyone. I've also amassed more 7Sage karma than any other 7Sage member, so you can check out my comments on threads from over the years which address just about any LSAT topic you might could think of.

When using auto drilling, is there a way to ensure it does not repeat previously drilled questions?

For instance, if you choose to drill 10 random LR questions that you got wrong in all your PTs, then you finish that, if you do another set of 10 random, will it be sure to not repeat any of the previous 10?

Hi! I am trying to find a tutor to help me break from low 170s to the mid-high 170s. I have seen a lot of advertisements/posts online where it seems like the tutors' main draw is their own high LSAT score. This doesn't necessarily mean that their pedagogical skills are top-tier & tutors are VERY expensive, so I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations of specific tutors/tutoring companies/etc who have experience teaching and demonstrated track record of improving scores? My budget is up to 250/hour, but can go higher if needed.

Also, tangentially related question, but how many tutoring sessions/hours did it take for you guys break the low 170s plateau?

I am looking for people to plant with while we keep each other accountable of our studying.

Hi all,

I am studying for the September 2022 LSAT, aiming for the 173+ range (currently PTing around 165/166). I have always been on the fence regarding tutoring, but I am especially confused now. I have recently been utilizing 7Sage and their package with full explanations, but wonder if a tutor would be more effective. I frequently see people scoring in the 99th percentile saying tutors helped a lot and they wish they would've used one sooner, but I can't help but wonder how using 7Sage's package with their detailed analytics is much different or any less effective. I understand tutoring is "tailored" to each student, however, by using 7Sage's analytics, I can easily see where I am having trouble and where I need to concentrate more of my efforts and time, which would essentially be what a tutor would do to tailor their lessons. Also, I feel like working a problem with a tutor just watching might be a little bit of a waste of time; I'm not sure what they could add that JY doesn't in his explanations.

Any thoughts would be appreciated and best of luck to everyone studying!

Nick

I have been studying for LSATs since February 2022. I am done with all my core lessons and my weakest section is LG. So far I have taken 4 practice tests and the highest I've scored was 143. I really don't know what I'm doing wrong. Anyone in the same boat? Any study tips?

I've recently been completing the Preptests with the 'Stimulate Modern' button on, was just wondering if there's a way to complete these skipped sections in the same format, as I found out that the current LSAT has an experimental section and I want to get used to doing 4 sections.

Basically, is there a way for my score to still reflect the 3 sections I'm completing but for me to do the skipped sections in the same timed conditions? Not sure where to find these without having to delete the record for the current preptest.

Hi all,

I'm looking for a study buddy to help me get through my next run at the LSAT. I last took it in November 2021, got a 148. I applied with this score, but all I got were rejections and waitlists. It's been tough trying to get back into the study rhythm, so I'm hoping to find someone that I can work with (maybe someone in a similar situation) to get is through this bump.

I have a full-time job; my schedule is Tuesday through Friday from 8-6pm. I'll be spending the biggest chunk of my time studying on the weekends, I'm aiming 3-4 hours.

If you are interested and motivated to put in some work, please message me!

PS - If you are someone who is scoring high and would like to test your tutoring skills pro bono, I wouldn't mind giving it a shot.

I have ADD and struggling with actual reading comprehension (for all sections). I'll get halfway to 3/4 through a passage and realize I haven't retained any of it and have to reread...which is not something the LSAT gives you time to do lol. I am planning to request for time and a half but was wondering if anyone had any ADD tips for reading/retaining information? thanks!

I have a habit of verbalizing while I read, even if its just mumbling under my breath. Should this be a concern and should I try stopping this habit now?

I started using 7sage with a 2 month study timeline since I'm taking the August 2022 test. It's way too much information crammed into each day/week and I've already covered much of this information with other programs as I've been studying for about a year. Any tips on how to cut down on some of the 7sage lessons and minimize the course to better fit a 2 month plan???

I see there is a new drilling section, where can I find my previously taken problem sets?

I've been prepping for a few weeks now with a 160~ starting point. Since then, I've been putting in like 5-6 hours a day prepping. My last two-timed practice tests I've gotten perfect scores on LR and LG then like 5-8 wrong on RC. Have you guys found the RC course component here to be helpful? Hoping to break out of the low 170s.