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Thursday, Oct 27 2016

@

The only

is a sufficient condition indicator.

I think viewing this question as as sufficiency/necessity confusion flaw question is really intuitive. Interesting perspective and thanks for this!

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Thursday, Oct 27 2016

I do!

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Thursday, Oct 27 2016

I think the main issue with your analysis is your understanding of "most" in this context. When approaching this question I eliminated B immediately because its use of "most" was not consistent with my understanding of the stimulus. Nowhere in the stim is the word "most" or concept of most written or even implied. I believe the flawed argument that AC B. is describing would be something along the lines of "Most stones in Ireland are old, we found a stone in Ireland, therefore it must also be old". Where as the stimulus says "all druid stones in Ireland are old, this druid stone was not found in Ireland, therefore it must not be old". AC E. best captures this flaw because it is correct in stating that we just don't know that Irish druid stones are the only ones which are really old, just because all Irish stones are old doesn't mean that ONLY Irish stones are old (ie doesn't preclude Scottish druid stones from also being old). Hope this helps!

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Thursday, Oct 27 2016

I remember struggling with this question too. I think it's most helpful to think of it like this:

Conclusion: Most people would want to be informed if they had a serious medical condition

Why?

Premise: Because a bunch of recent studies say this

AC A. introduces more evidence that would cause us to question the conclusion we drew from the premises above. With the additional evidence in AC A. the argument becomes "most people want to be informed if they had a serious medical condition because some studies confirm this and some studies say the opposite of this" clearly a weaker argument.

Hope this helps!

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Thursday, Oct 27 2016

Glad to know I'm not the only one feeling the struggle of studying for the LSAT and working a full time job on the side!

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Wednesday, Oct 26 2016

I typically do BR at work because I can just have a copy of the test and a word document open and that is very discrete.

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Tuesday, Oct 25 2016

Honestly I think the inspiring quote below is really important for us former September takers and future December takers to keep in mind

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Tuesday, Oct 25 2016

It was an oddball sequencing game that we should have collectively gotten to with more time (it was game 4) and calmed down during.

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Tuesday, Oct 25 2016

3 hard boiled eggs, a container of blueberrys, and a large coffee for breakfast and a pack of peanut m&ms and half a 5 hour energy during the break!

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Monday, Oct 24 2016

@ As I've explained on here before, often admissions people return after the holidays to a deluge of applications, thus, it would be to your advantage to have your in queue ahead of some of these folks. Once your score for Dec comes in, your application will go from "incomplete" to "complete."

FWIW just returned from a law school fair and every admissions rep I spoke to corroborated this explanation with the usual caveat "don't rush to get your application out if your personal statements or LoRs need work"

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Monday, Oct 24 2016

I took PT 78 about a month and a half ago and did pretty poorly on it and have since drilled each section a couple of times. Can I still participate in the call even though it wont be BR in the traditional sense?

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Monday, Oct 24 2016

@.k13.0 Thanks for the response. I looked back at my analytics for any discernible pattern and am unable to find one. The question types I missed but did not mark for BR are 1 RRE, 1 NA, 1 MBT, 1 PF and 1 AP. I think I'm just going to back through PT 70 and do those questions again untimed while writing out explanations for each AC. Hopefully that process will help me identify and eliminate flawed understandings of those questions while simultaneously reinforcing some good approaches I already have

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Monday, Oct 24 2016

jordancohen2010665

BR Confidence Question

Looking for some input. I have found that overwhelmingly the questions I mark for BR are questions that I am getting right while the questions I am missing are ones that I am not marking for BR. This seems to indicate to me that I am under confident on certain types of questions and over confident on others. Has anyone else experienced this and if so how did you work on getting your BR to better focus on your weaknesses? For example I marked 12 LR questions total for BR while taking PT 70 yesterday, of those 12 I only ended up getting 2 of them wrong during the test. I realize the benefit of using BR to reinforce concepts you know but are not confident on, but I would like it to also better reflect my weaknesses.

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Monday, Aug 22 2016

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*Item Removed From Scoring Question

I have noticed that once every few PTs I take, an answer will be removed from scoring. I was wondering if anyone on 7sage has any insight as to how LSAC determines which questions to exempt from scoring, is any part of this methodology published, are LR questions the only type they exempt etc? I really would just find any additional information about this fascinating so please share!

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Monday, Nov 21 2016

Nominating 72. Also the BR on Saturday was super helpful, thanks for leading it! @

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Friday, Oct 21 2016

@ I would not recommend PowerScore, though I've never used their RC book. Granted, that's often seen as their worst.

I would echo this as well. I think Powerscore is an okay option if you want LR or LG explained in a different way than 7sage and The LSAT Trainer, but I've found the Powerscore RC book to be functionally useless.

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Thursday, Oct 20 2016

@ @ @ thanks for the taking the time to look at this thread! This advice seems on the money, as far as actual studying strategy is concerned, would you say focusing on taking full recent PTs with deep blind review would be the best use of time as opposed to going back through the curriculum? I imagine the score discrepancy was a mix of nerves, being sick the week before and lack of exposure to the newest LSAT material. Hopefully the deep sense of self-hatred the September LSAT has inspired in me will give me the motivation I need to slay December.

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Tuesday, Dec 20 2016

After getting my heart broken 3 days in a row for September 2016 Eileen Grey Day, I am expecting January 4th and not a day sooner

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Thursday, Oct 20 2016

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A Disappointing Grey Day

Looking for some advice. I was averaging about a 168 with a high of 172 and BR scores around 175 in the PT 30-40's. When I started on the 70's about a month before the September test my average and BR dropped to about a 162 and 170 respectively. I just received my score and was disappointed to learn that I got a 159. I am set on applying this cycle and have been studying since March (diagnostic of 151 if it matters) of last year. I am looking for advice about what my game plan should be between now and December in order to ensure that I am not disappointed next time around. In addition, is it worth applying with a 159 even with a note that I'm retaking?

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Thursday, Nov 17 2016

@ Have you taken many other PTs from the 70s series?

^this

Or specifically for PT 79 the name of the game for LR was NA and RRE questions. So if you have weaknesses with either of these question types this test maybe exposed them.

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Friday, Dec 16 2016

Had LR - RC - LR (exp. I think) - LG - LR

I would assess its difficulty this way:

LR1: 2/5

LR2: 4/5

RC: 2/5

LG: 4/5

imo game 3 was far and away the hardest game. Unless I majorly screwed up, game 4 was 2 rules and 1 inference and once you got a handle on that, the questions sort of flew by.

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Sunday, Sep 11 2016

jordancohen2010665

Modern PTs got me down

My PT average has dropped from roughly the high 160s/low 170s on the older PTs to reliably the lower 160s on the PTs in the 70's. I'm planning on taking in Sept. and this shift in my performance is unnerving especially this close to gameday. Has anyone experienced this before/have good advice on ways to change my mindset in approaching the most recent PTs?

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Tuesday, Jun 07 2016

jordancohen2010665

September LSAT Application Timeline

This question may be putting the cart before the horse, but I am planning on sitting for the September 2016 LSAT and applying this same cycle (and would like to have apps out ASAP because I'm an aspiring splitter). Assuming all goes well with LSAT prep, how should I time the drafting of my personal statement and letters of rec. Obviously any work on these two areas trades off directly with LSAT studying, so should I plan on using the time between taking the test and getting results to hammer all of this out? Any insight or links to threads where this has already been discussed would be very helpful. Thanks!

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Monday, Nov 07 2016

I would be interested in this as well, but due to work would likely be unable to BR until this weekend

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Tuesday, Dec 06 2016

Anyone know if the trout fishing NA LR question was real? Spent alot of time there until I realized I was being dumb

I am BRing this question and am having a hard time convincing myself why the answer is A. not E. any input would be helpful.

Descriptive Flaw Question:

Scientists found that there is a greater frequency of illness among people who sleep atleast 8 hours per night than there is for people who sleep significantly fewer hours. This shows that mild sleep deprivation isn't unhealthy and probably bolsters your immune system

A. Another factor that contributes to both phenomena - Sure this seems reasonable maybe eating a bunch of kale makes you sleep terribly and also makes you get sick less often so sleep deprivation doesn't bolster your immune system

B. Wrong - The passage doesn't take a position on whether sleeplessness is the ONLY factor that contributes to immune system development, this is not a flaw with the argument

C. Wrong - An amalgamation of LSAT buzzwords that is meant to attract plebs

D. Wrong - I don't think it takes for granted that an observable correlation would occur, it sounds like the passage establishes that something observable happened and tries to explain it.

E. The passage says "wow people get sick less frequently when they're sleep deprived, it must be that sleep deprivation is not unhealthy" this flawed reasoning seems to be exactly what is described in answer choice E. Because illness is not associated with sleep deprivation then sleep deprivation must not have other negative consequences. What if sleep deprivation also gives you cancer, what if sleep deprivation also makes you fall asleep at the wheel. This flaw just seems considerably larger to me than any issue of not considering that there is a third factor at play as per answer choice A.

Any insight on this question would be greatly appreciated.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-74-section-1-question-18

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jordancohen2010665
Monday, Oct 03 2016

PT 9 S3 Game 3 - The School dance game. The sort of game that I would have lost my shit on had it been on the real deal, but taking the time to split the game boards and make all necessary inferences makes the questions a breeze

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Tuesday, Jan 03 2017

Anyone know the curve yet?

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Tuesday, Jan 03 2017

@ Okay how long after turning grey will we know the number?

In Sept. I got mine about 3 hrs after it turned grey. Very agonizing

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Tuesday, Jan 03 2017

For what it's worth USC's application portal says they've received mine as well

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Saturday, Dec 03 2016

Haven't waded through all the comments yet. But do any September takers feel this was substantially easier. That is my immediate takeaway

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