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Thursday, Mar 30 2017

This question bothers me bc D is so assertive and absolute. It says "when people put up theses nesting boxes" in the stim, and AC "D" says "Would be more effective....than they currently are." How do I know they are currently anywhere? The Stim actually leads us to believe that nesting boxes aren't even that great when compared to natural conditions bc the "parasitic behavior" is so rare to begin with. AC "C" is true if by "space" it is understood to mean that when there is overcrowding, there automatically results in less space.

How are we supposed to differentiate between answers like this when we are told to stay away from absolutes and things we have no way of knowing?

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Thursday, Jun 29 2017

> @ said:

> If you had trouble on PT 68, Game 4 I just posted an explanation for it in the comments on that page last week. It got me through in under 7 minutes.

Hi,

Can you post a link to where your explanation is? I have not yet made it to that game, but I would like to have that explanation ready. :) thanks

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Monday, May 29 2017

Hey,

Thanks for adding me in. I just checked my discussions and I am so sorry I missed tonight. I will make sure to plan for next week. Will we be doing BR of PT every week or specific sections and problems?

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Monday, Jul 27 2020

shindavis16143

What will replace the games?

Hi Guys,

I am coming back to 7Sage and law school prep after a almost 5 years away, so I am out of the practice studying as well as with the current news about the test. I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed 8 billion times.

What is replacing the Logic games and when is this happening? Have there been any major changes to this or any other section since the ruling to take the games away permanently?

If anyone has any advice as to what I should focus on, or any areas that are not as helpful anymore, is much appreciated.

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Saturday, May 27 2017

@ said:

I have the PTs spaced out fairly generously, especially the later and more recent tests. I have my backup plan as December and I wanted to make sure I had enough material to continue studying on up until the , so I made sure to space them out for this reason. I think it still could be beneficial for you if you worked on the earlier tests with us.

Also, it's not too late. I don't have my doors closed (yet)

Awesome!! If you don't mind, I would love to join. :) I haven't done this before, so you may need to just tell me what I do, or when to show up online. :) Thanks again.

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Saturday, May 27 2017

Hey guys, is it too late for me?I am registered for December and I am on the east coast. I am trying to finish CC before I tackle the PT's. I am still trying to get through really understanding LR, but I think I could really gain a lot from being a part of it. I will know the least, but hopefully I can learn a lot. Can you guys fit me in?

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Wednesday, May 24 2017

@ @ Thanks guys. You are right. I was absolutely using my outside knowledge for the questions. That is constantly tripping me up. Things that wouldn't ordinarily be correct are flagging something in my brain and wasting my time and attention. I am going to work another problem set focusing only on the information given.

One question though, which type require us to make inferences that are not there? Flow up or flow down? Are the inferences really just information already contained in the stimulus anyway?

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Friday, Mar 24 2017

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Printing Question Bank Questions

@"Dillon A. Wright" Dillon, I added a few random questions to the shopping cart in order to test the printing function for my blind review. I do not see a print function/option. Can you tell me how to print my question bank questions?

Admin edit: You can now print questions in PDF from the Question Bank:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/18378/new-feature-print-pdfs-of-custom-drills-from-the-question-bank

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Sunday, Apr 23 2017

This is AWESOME!!!!!

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Monday, May 22 2017

@ Thanks for the idea, I like that. @ Thank your for the explanation. You mentioned that Limericks are not poems, but they are silly or humorous 5 line poems that consist of rhyming and some verbal rhythm. I didn't really know which answer to choose originally, just looked for something that was true. Why was D not true? Or was C just more true?

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Friday, Apr 21 2017

@ no I didn't...thanks!! I will be watching the Harvard one for sure. :)

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Thursday, Apr 20 2017

oh wow! Now I feel quite stupid. lol. Thanks @ and @

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Wednesday, Apr 19 2017

@ I know this sounds stupid to a computer wiz...but I have no idea what I did to email you and post a thread. I am still trying to figure out how to just send you a private message. Sorry if I did something wrong, it wasn't intentional.

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Wednesday, Apr 19 2017

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99.8% with Ultimate+?

@"Dillon A. Wright" Can you please check my account? Yesterday my unlocked content was at 100% and now it is not. I don't know what changed. I am an Ultimate+.

Thanks in advance,

S.S

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Monday, Apr 17 2017

We have no idea how much space there is in boxes relative to natural nesting sites. Space isn't tied to being overcrowded. Your 2 bedroom apartment has the same space whether it is crowded with 4th graders or not. Space is an empirical measurement, and we are not provided with that data.

@ Ok, this really helped a lot. I have been looking at the word "space" and "crowded" as basically ending in the same place. I wasn't thinking in terms of actual definition, I was applying our real world contextual usage to the idea.

So, if we need to establish or imply that these nesting boxes are in use, I think the final line of the stimulus accomplishes this. The nesting boxes can't "become" anything if they don't exist. They do become something though, so we can reasonably imply that there are some boxes out there.

This was also enormously helpful. I had never considered the word "become" as being significant. Once you say it that way, it seems so obvious that they are telling us the boxes have already "become" crowded and thus they are currently in use and not just theory.

Thank you very much!! I have been beating my head against the wall about this one in particular.

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Monday, Apr 17 2017

Ok, I looked at it again. The trade linking China and Europe isn't really useful in terms of the only possible correct AC. The 'popular stopover for pilgrims on route between M & M and the traders purse containing more diverse coins' should have eliminated all other answers from what I can see. Is that what I should have seen first off?

I guess I was looking at it with the "don't select absolute answers" mentality and almost wanted to find fault with it. It is the only one that makes sense, but it just seemed badly worded. Is there a helpful way to approach questions/stems that do this?

@"J.Y.Ping" or anyone who really understands this and can explain: PT20 S1 Q6 and PT23 S3 Q6

I have listened to the explanation and on the Q6 from PT 23, I understand that E is incorrect, which I knew that going into the answers, but was frustrated, because it seemed to break all of the rules we are told to go by with avoiding "absolutes". The purse with the gold coins HAD been Brought to the ancient city by a pilgrim on route between M & M". The absolute assertion that it was not just "likely" brought, or even "most likely" bothered me and therefore made me feel it couldn't be correct. On the flip side, I knew all of the others were also wrong. E looked like it could have been very close if not for the use of the word "interacted". I could hear JY in my head saying, how do we know if they actually interacted, does that mean speaking, eating together?...So I ruled it out also, but all others looked so wrong as well. Why can the absolute assertion be ok sometimes, but we should stay away from it (in MSS) in almost all other scenarios?

**The Q12 from PT 20 is my BIGGEST issue. I hated this question and I am still arguing that the LSAC people are wrong. They are supposed to provide all you need in the stimulus and I do not feel as though they do. I do not own wood ducks or know anything about building their boxes etc. The majority of the Stim discusses how a female will lay an egg in another nest if they see the other female leaving, but that is so rare in nature bc the nests are so well hidden. Then the stem completely shifts its line of thinking, it goes into the "However, when people put up nesting box to help the ducks breed, they actually undercut the ducks' reproductive efforts. The nesting boxes become so CROWDED..."

So when I am looking at the answers, C looks immediately more correct. The boxes do have less "space" for the eggs than natural nesting sites, IF by space it is understood that when something is "overcrowded" there isn't enough space, or there is reduced space. Eg: There are 30 4th graders in my 2 bedroom apartment for my daughter's birthday and it is very crowded" I clearly have less "space" than I do when the 30 kids are not there. The missing 30 kids would be "my" natural environment.

The part I so whole heartedly disagreed with was the correct answer wording. D tells that, "The nesting boxes would be more effective in helping wood ducks breed if they were less visible to other wood ducks than they CURRENTLY ARE". My main problem choosing this answer was the "Currently Are"; how do I know if they are currently being used? Maybe it was something people used to do or tried in a lab or are talking about in theory. The writers never exactly say they are still in use and not to mention, the stim spends more of the time actually leading to the opposite...that the ducks are more productive in natural nesting sites. If I knew that nesting boxes were being used, and that the issue with this being successful wasn't that they were overcrowded because of "space" but that they were being placed in nature too visibly then I would have seen what they wanted me to pick. I get it that its supposed to be hard, but this seems not accurate. This question seemed to leave far too much to inference and it seems like the CC reminds up that we may have to make some inference but not huge stretches. I just felt that I had to assume too much to make D work. I saw that many students struggled with this.

Can someone please help explain why these stim types are either exceptions, or what is the trick/wording I missed that would have given it away? I wanted to ask @"J.Y.Ping" this during one of those sessions but I didn't make the lottery. Maybe since this seemed to be a really debated question, you could do a deeper explanation for everyone.? Or how to avoid traps like this one.

Thanks in advance!

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Wednesday, May 17 2017

@ @ @

Thank you all. Seeing the differences in Q stem wording actually helped a lot, how it flowed up or down.

I keep finding myself stuck on level 4 & 5 MSS questions. I do not know how to attach a link to a question in here, but PT19, S4, Q12 was one that I still feel was badly worded. I felt like between the inferences that had to be made in AC (C) and (E), E was the much shorter stretch and could be logically inferred from the passage. For C, we would have had to not only assume that it was clearly less efficient, (because otherwise why have a pheromone trail to guide you back to your home if it wasn't more efficient), but it was also asking us to make the leap that ANY ants that did forage during afternoons in the Sahara, generally didn't use pheromones to forage.

E only required that we infer that IF any ants foraged for food in the Sahara in the afternoons, in temps above 45 degrees C, then they were less efficient than they were when temps were lower than 45 degrees.

Also, if you are able to look, can anyone explain how I would have identified in PT27 S1 Q20 that I was supposed to set everything as a contrast against a poem's definition? I didn't see that, I honestly had no clue how to approach this, aside from looking for something that was a statement of fact.

If anyone can tell me how to imbed links to things so I don't just reference the PT numbers, I can do that in the future.

Thanks in advance!!

I am stuck on some of the MSS questions, Weaken, and the difference with how to tell MSS and Strengthen apart especially when C/C Strengthen is in play.

For example, PT 16, S2, Q21 was on a webinar with Nicole and presented as a C/C Strengthen question. The stem says what I would take as a MSS question though, stating "Which one of the following, if true, most strongly supports the conclusion drawn by the entomologists?

Nicole suggested looking for the one answer that actually doesn't strengthen the entomologists conclusion at all, rather to choose the AC that doesn't support it, thus making the entomologists conclusion more sound.

Such as A causes B is the conclusion, so the answer needs to be either: B causes A, C causes both A and B, or No relationship.

Can someone please explain how and why I would know that I wasn't supposed to be choosing a supporting answer, but rather a conflicting one? Are there any tricks or key words for questions like these?

@"J.Y. Ping" or others that have an answer:

How do you know, in LR questions where some Q stems require us to identify the main point of the "Argument" and others ask specifically to identify the main point of the "conclusion"; when, such as in the "Camera Lens" LR question JY explains, to include the (P) in the paraphrased answer or only the (C)? Or are all of these "Main Point Questions" only wanting us to single out the conclusion and paraphrase it?

I am dying on these NA, SA, PSA questions. I don't seem to know what the QS is wanting me to look for in the AC's. I get one right and 3 wrong. I do great on MC, MSS, PAI, and strengthen. I seem to struggle once I reach NA, SA, PSA, and weaken.

What is the QS really asking me to look for? Which of the 5 AC's MBT? or Which of the 5 makes the stem most true? I feel like there has to be an easy "NA for dummies" explanation that I am missing. JY's basketball example makes perfect sense- 'I can't be one of the greatest BB players alive if I don't know how to dribble'. That makes common sense. Then I get on a live class and there's a question about something I have never heard of with ridiculously convoluted language and that BB does nothing to help me identify the correct AC.

Can anyone put this in basic terminology that makes sense? I understand the difference between NA and SA- 'beating the NBA all star team single handedly vs do I know how to dribble' but I cannot seem to understand what the questions are wanting me to do. I also feel like I am struggling more on the topics that JY didn't provide videos for. Please tell me I am not the only one feeling this way.

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Thursday, Apr 10

Question: Are there specific question types that will or won't use these indicators/lawgic? If so, which types are more likely to use them, or which ones will always/never use lawgic or conditional indicators? I am really struggling with when I am supposed to use this method. I have basically started over at this section to relearn this material. If anyone has a good way to remember this, please help!

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Wednesday, Jun 07 2017

@ Thank you. That gave me a direction to head. :)

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Wednesday, Jun 07 2017

@ This may have been asked, so if so, I apologize. Is there a way to do some of the PT's 1-35 at least half of the time, rather than the clean PT's 36-80 that we are saving for closer to the test date (for those of us taking in December)? I really want to take part,but I don't want to screw myself by not being able to work through BR alone on some of the newer tests.

I have so many questions, and there are a lot of question types I would love to work through with a group. Is this possible for this particular study group? If not, I completely get it... we are all at different stages in our CC.

Thanks in advance for considering the possibilities and working so hard to organize this.

~S

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Wednesday, Apr 05 2017

Whoa @ - Horrible to see that you had such a bad experience & sleezball attorney. Did you report him to the bar? Wish you well on your studies and endeavors!!@

Thank you. No, I didn't, only because I am still trying to get my portion of the retirement and pension from my ex-husband. I need access to documents my attorney possesses and if I piss him off, I will never get them. The truly disgusting things he said to me would shock you more than you can imagine. He was sued by 5 women clients for inappropriate actions/comments and for touching/kissing them against their will, but when I retained him I had no idea. Only later did I find out that he had sexually harassed several clients and workers, but only received a slap on the wrist from the bar. He was suspended for a short time.

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Wednesday, Apr 05 2017

@ I loved reading your inspiration story. I think that it could at least be argued that those of us who have personal stories like these, will forces to be reckoned with. You will be for sure. I am so glad to have come into contact with you. You seem like a truly incredible person to be around. I love upbeat people. :) I will look forward to seeing you succeed!!

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Wednesday, Jul 05 2017

Yes!!! Thank you so much. Thank you @ for showing me this. It is my one year anniversary this Sunday, and I will be in Michigan, but I don't care. I can wait for anniversary fun. I cannot wait for this. :)

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Tuesday, Apr 04 2017

Thank you @, @ and @. That was very helpful. @ I fell in love with the mission of 7Sage for the very reason that it wanted to level the playing field for all minorities- and as a socio-economically challenged, single mom, who is also in my 30's I felt I fit that description. I actually cried reading it because I have always wanted to help women in divorce scenarios who have never had schooling or a career and thus has no money. I felt so helpless and then when my sleazy attorney solicited me for sex and then upon the giant "No!" he received, tripled my billing...I knew that I would one day help empower people like me who were taken advantage of due to circumstance and resources. So way to go to you too @ . I love to see women lift one another up rather than undercutting each other!! You absolutely made my day. :) With that outlook and personality trait alone, you have do great things too!

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Monday, Apr 03 2017

Building on the question initially posted by @ , I am also a NTS, as I am older than many and was a single mother for the majority of my undergraduate time. I did not have time to join fun groups or volunteer in career advancing places, aside from my daughter's school, and that was only because I had to for UF credit hours. I am currently not working because I am studying for the LSAT daily. I worked during school, but only with the intent to make ends meet.

I instead focused on maintaining my 4.0 GPA during a tumultuous divorce and custody battle.The only thing I did that could be considered over and above, was to write an honors thesis in order to receive my Summa designation. It was an excruciatingly long and difficult process, but it wasn't job or volunteer experience.

Is this lack of student involvement and activity going to hurt me? My student activity was my own academic achievement, helping my two kids adjust and be successful in school, and continually trying to put food on the table. Does anyone know if this will hurt my application? Thanks @ for presenting the topic.

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Tuesday, Jan 02 2024

@ Has there been any updates on how they plan to score the 8/2024 test? Since it’s the first of its kind, is there a pulse on whether it will be scored exactly the same, more leniently or more strictly?

I haven’t studied since I decided to wait for my kids to graduate high school 6 years ago, so it’s been a while and I want to attack this test aggressively. Do you have any suggestions? Is there any advantage to starting with the $69 per month option and upgrading as the test draws closer?

Thanks in advance!

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Wednesday, Apr 02

I NEED JY!!!! These explanations are easier to grasp with his videos.

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Thursday, Jun 01 2017

@ I just looked over the schedule, and read through the comments. I am not at the point that I can do PT's yet. I am trying to finish my CC. I think I misunderstood about the PT's originally. I apologize. I would love to be in a group in the future once I am able to contribute productively. If you know of a study group that is aimed at people still working through the CC, please let me know.

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