Im having some trouble pin pointing specific questions that used the rules and application specifically, does anyone remember any of the questions in this section?
@sydlaw What I have understand is that PSA tells you about a stuff that you are assuming to get into the conclusion. the statement although already in the conclusion if I say it in the premises my conclusion is guaranteed
Ok so honestly, I'm starting to look forward to the time drills lol I'm a little bit skeptic of what I just typed however, I actually am getting excited., I did 2 practice test on Lawhub prior to even knowing of the existiance of 7sage and I really want to see how much I have improved., Im almost 2 to 3 days behind on my study plan but I will catch up and complete everything,.
Oh my Goodness I'm actually more excited that afraid or scared right that's so fullfilling for me!
Too much dense formulaic jargon. Flag post information to be generally aware of ok beneficial on a conceptual level. Though this approach overcomplicates a common sense approach needed to tackle answers.
@sarahmacrorie819 It means those question types can be transformed into the attached type relatively easily. For example, an RRE question could be turned into a Weaken question with a stimulus asking for an argument weakness, instead of a stimulus providing answer choices to resolve a discrepancy in the argument that would otherwise be a weakness.
Rules & their applications is the main kind of reasoning at work.
TYPICAL APPROACH
Identify a conclusion and the premises
Identify a “premise——> conclusion” bridge
ANSWER CHOICE TENDENCIES
A correct answer doesn’t need to 100% prove the conclusion. It just needs to provide a principle that would make the conclusion more likely to follow from the premises.
Be ready to think about contrapositives- the correct answer is often presented in this form
its a little weird how every question type got a detailed summary except Psuedo Sufficient. I have no clue what kind of strategy to take, how PSA questions are different than sufficient assumption etc.. I appreciate the summary of the other types, but I would have liked one for the type that we're meant to be learning about next
The visuals are very helpful! I think a short video might be helpful too, with just a one or two word explanation would be nice, but these summaries have been good!
• Main Point (MP) questions: You need to find the main conclusion of the argument.
• Most Strongly Supported (MSS) questions: Sometimes, these are like MP questions, but the conclusion is hidden in the answer choices. MSS also test how well a set of claims supports another set of claims.
• Support can range from full support (a restatement) to strong implications, to unsupported (neutral), to anti-supported (likely false), to completely false (contradicts the information).
• Point at Issue (Agree/Disagree): You find either a point of agreement or disagreement between two speakers. Most questions focus on disagreements, where one speaker supports a statement, and the other opposes it.
• Inference and Must Be True (MBT): These questions are like MSS but require the answer to be so well-supported that it must be true. These often use formal logic (rules about sets, causation, etc.).
• Resolve, Reconcile, and Explain (RRE): These questions present a puzzling situation, and you must find an answer that explains it, usually with causal logic (cause-and-effect).
• Weaken, Strengthen, and Evaluate (WSE): These questions also use causal reasoning. You weaken or strengthen arguments by introducing or ruling out alternative explanations or evidence. They also sometimes use cost-benefit analysis, analogy, or rules.
• Pseudo-Sufficient Assumption (PSA) questions: These involve applying rules to reasoning, which we are about to explore.
I'm really confused about the spectrum of support is that not jus inference and must be true but in the paragraph it states it as 2 separate things?
its saying that what follows on the spectrum of support is a subset of MSS but isn't that just inference and MBT so I'm confused why there are 2 separate paragraphs introducing them as unique things separate things?
Both question types use the spectrum of support, with MSS having the ability to be anywhere on the support side from weakly supported to strongly supported and MBT/Inf questions pushing the level of support all the way to the end of the spectrum. It states that MBT/Inf are a subtype of MSS so although they are different in terms of what is needed for a correct AC, they are generally the same kind of question using the same idea of finding support along the spectrum.
If you are still confused I would recommend going back and checking out each of the separate lessons of each type.
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Can we encounter formal (conditional or quantifier) logic on RRE, MSS and PAI questions? Formal logic in MBT questions are my hardest area.
Im having some trouble pin pointing specific questions that used the rules and application specifically, does anyone remember any of the questions in this section?
Y'all reply to this comment with your Study schedule/weekly split.
@Oblivion push pull legs
my biggest fear is that once I get through all of the LR sections to practice, I bomb everything and I leave without understanding anything.
@Disney Sameeeeee sameeeeeeeee.
@MarcosGuzman415 Not going to lie, I’ve been struggling with WSE, but I feel because I’m still learning but with some drilling I’ll understand!
On the other hand, if you are struggling with the basics you need to go back and review the fundamentals to make sure you have a better understanding.
need a class on WSE for free help i suck at this
@sydlaw What I have understand is that PSA tells you about a stuff that you are assuming to get into the conclusion. the statement although already in the conclusion if I say it in the premises my conclusion is guaranteed
example:
a->b premises
a->c conclusion
b->c this is the gap
I miss the video explanations
i liked that they did this little recap. we are all on this journey together
@VanillaCat We got this!!!
Ok so honestly, I'm starting to look forward to the time drills lol I'm a little bit skeptic of what I just typed however, I actually am getting excited., I did 2 practice test on Lawhub prior to even knowing of the existiance of 7sage and I really want to see how much I have improved., Im almost 2 to 3 days behind on my study plan but I will catch up and complete everything,.
Oh my Goodness I'm actually more excited that afraid or scared right that's so fullfilling for me!
#feedback, can we get a drill where we practice just identifying question types?
@rjon27 yes !
if RRE and WSE questions are related, how the hell did i go from getting all questions right on the RRE unit to almost no questions right on the WSE 😭
@zxeloise literally me omg
Useful summary!
"Logic Babies" haha! But dang... We have come a long way!
Too much dense formulaic jargon. Flag post information to be generally aware of ok beneficial on a conceptual level. Though this approach overcomplicates a common sense approach needed to tackle answers.
I love this mini review! It gave me a little extra meat to add to my notes!
too many acronyms
smug satisfaction?!
What does the dotted line arrow in the last schematic labeled transformable mean?
#feedback I don't remember JY using this language in the lesson either
@sarahmacrorie819 It means those question types can be transformed into the attached type relatively easily. For example, an RRE question could be turned into a Weaken question with a stimulus asking for an argument weakness, instead of a stimulus providing answer choices to resolve a discrepancy in the argument that would otherwise be a weakness.
I NEED JY!!!! These explanations are easier to grasp with his videos.
#feedback
Causal logic will be the death of me
@emilycvas231986 for me its mbt questions
#feedback I would really benefit from hearing these transition lessons in a video!
PSEUDO-SUFFICIENT ASSUMPTION
Rules & their applications is the main kind of reasoning at work.
TYPICAL APPROACH
Identify a conclusion and the premises
Identify a “premise——> conclusion” bridge
ANSWER CHOICE TENDENCIES
A correct answer doesn’t need to 100% prove the conclusion. It just needs to provide a principle that would make the conclusion more likely to follow from the premises.
Be ready to think about contrapositives- the correct answer is often presented in this form
its a little weird how every question type got a detailed summary except Psuedo Sufficient. I have no clue what kind of strategy to take, how PSA questions are different than sufficient assumption etc.. I appreciate the summary of the other types, but I would have liked one for the type that we're meant to be learning about next
The visuals are very helpful! I think a short video might be helpful too, with just a one or two word explanation would be nice, but these summaries have been good!
• Main Point (MP) questions: You need to find the main conclusion of the argument.
• Most Strongly Supported (MSS) questions: Sometimes, these are like MP questions, but the conclusion is hidden in the answer choices. MSS also test how well a set of claims supports another set of claims.
• Support can range from full support (a restatement) to strong implications, to unsupported (neutral), to anti-supported (likely false), to completely false (contradicts the information).
• Point at Issue (Agree/Disagree): You find either a point of agreement or disagreement between two speakers. Most questions focus on disagreements, where one speaker supports a statement, and the other opposes it.
• Inference and Must Be True (MBT): These questions are like MSS but require the answer to be so well-supported that it must be true. These often use formal logic (rules about sets, causation, etc.).
• Resolve, Reconcile, and Explain (RRE): These questions present a puzzling situation, and you must find an answer that explains it, usually with causal logic (cause-and-effect).
• Weaken, Strengthen, and Evaluate (WSE): These questions also use causal reasoning. You weaken or strengthen arguments by introducing or ruling out alternative explanations or evidence. They also sometimes use cost-benefit analysis, analogy, or rules.
• Pseudo-Sufficient Assumption (PSA) questions: These involve applying rules to reasoning, which we are about to explore.
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I'm really confused about the spectrum of support is that not jus inference and must be true but in the paragraph it states it as 2 separate things?
its saying that what follows on the spectrum of support is a subset of MSS but isn't that just inference and MBT so I'm confused why there are 2 separate paragraphs introducing them as unique things separate things?
this is genuinely confusing me.
Both question types use the spectrum of support, with MSS having the ability to be anywhere on the support side from weakly supported to strongly supported and MBT/Inf questions pushing the level of support all the way to the end of the spectrum. It states that MBT/Inf are a subtype of MSS so although they are different in terms of what is needed for a correct AC, they are generally the same kind of question using the same idea of finding support along the spectrum.
If you are still confused I would recommend going back and checking out each of the separate lessons of each type.
Thank you for explaining!