Hey guys! I'm new here and I wanted to introduce myself. I'm also potentially thinking about joining a study group and/or looking for a study buddy... not sure yet though. I'm thinking it might be nice to have someone to share resources with, and discuss questions with. How does that work on here? I'm pretty hesitant to give out my personal info... but it looks like we can send private messages on here?

I'm thinking I will end up taking the June 2021 LSAT exam. I was initially shooting for November, but I only started studying at the end of June (2020), and I would love to unlock as much of my potential as possible.

My background is classical music, but going to law school is starting to become the dream I never knew I had. I'm particularly interested in social justice work, anyone else?

Anyway, just wanted to say hi and if nothing else I look forward to chatting with you all in the comments!

I'm scoring timed PT in low-mid 160s and BR in low-mid 170s, with differences averaging anywhere between 6-12 points!

Has anyone else had such a wide gap between the two scores? And if so, know of anything that helped close that gap??

In BR, I get all LG questions correct (normally no more in -4 in timed), which helps, and I know how to improve there.. but..

For RC, it's usually silly mistakes or misreading that I messed up during timed run.

For LR, it's a lot of me choosing the trap answer choice during timed run, and not figuring that out until BR. #HELP

Hello! I'm looking for an RC tutor. This is the one section I have been struggling with and cannot seem to improve on.

Does anyone know how to go about getting an LSAT tutor/how an tutor would help you? I haven't done all the 7Sage curriculum or done many practice test, but the ones I have taken I have averaged 152. Would I be better off saving money and doing all the curriculum and doing more PTs, or would a tutor be even more beneficial? It's not that I don't understand the material it's just that I don't have a lot of practice I think. Also does anyone know how much a tutor would be for about 3 months? TIA

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Hello everyone,

While the printable preptests and 7Sage's digital tester use line numbers when referencing sentences in RC questions, I noticed the digital preptests on LSAC's website don't use line numbers, and instead say stuff like "in the middle of the third paragraph". Can anyone confirm what those questions are like when taking the actual test? Also, are we able to check off the box to condense the RC passage on test day as well?

Hey everybody! So I planned on taking the writing section last Saturday so I booted up the writing simulation to familiarize myself with the program. When I got to the ID verification section, I couldn't get a clear picture of my ID on my webcam after trying to do so for half an hour. Since I didn't want to risk getting my writing sample canceled on the real writing test due to my ID being blurry, I waited until today to call LSAC's technical support line.

The representative told me to get a new webcam if I wanted to take the writing section which shocked me a bit as I was hoping they would have alternatives for issues like this. I asked if I could talk to a supervisor to see if I could escalate this issue but he told me that he will forward my request and told me to wait for a call back.

Has anyone encountered a problem similar to this? Will I have to just bite the bullet and spend money on a better webcam?

Hey quick question guys, I took my first prep test and it says 163 average score. I am asking because i have never gotten over 153 in the past so how is this graded and is this representative of your actual lsat score?

Hi everyone- can anyone point me to the hardest LR questions that they have ever seen implicating numbers, percentages, market share etc.?

I’m just starting out on 7sage and I’m looking for a study partner/study group.

I have flexible availability and I’m open to in-person or online study buddies!

How long should it be?

I'm taking the October Flex, so far I'm PTing in the 160s range. My goal is a high 160s or even a 170. It'd be great if you're located in Taipei (so we could meet up in person), but since that's highly unlikely, I'm ok chatting with anyone in or near my timezone, UTC+8.

I'm really intent on going to a law school where I live because of family factors/etc. I take the LSAT in October and expect to be at least at their 75th percentile for LSAT and far above their 75th percentile for GPA. The financial aspect is really important to me so I'm curious how I should navigate the application process. Do I apply to other schools and use their offers to negotiate? Do I apply early in the cycle or later on? What do you think is best considering I know where I want to go and just want to see what they can offer me?

TIA! :)

Hey Guys,

I was wondering if any of you would be interested in forming a small PT group for these last three to 4 days to iron out things we have concerns about regarding our Prep.

Thanks

Last year I got a lot of unsolicited fee waivers when my LSAT score was released. I'm trying to apply as early as possible this year but would also like to take advantage of free apps. Anybody have any personal experience with when the fee waiver emails start rolling in?

I usually got -4 to -6 on RC, and -4 on the rest of other sections on PTs. I have significant improvement on the other two sections following blind review method, but Reading Comprehension is the section that I found no improvement after 2 months of full-time studying.

I saw people mentioned to figure out the relationships between various subjects and opinions and to anticipate the answer after reading question stems, but I found it very difficult to do so. I usually can get a fair understanding on the structure and any shifts from paragraph to paragraph, but I found it insufficient to answer inference questions.

There are usually at least 3-4 different subjects and opinions in a passage. The relationships among them are extremely difficult to keep track of. For difficult passages, the subject matters and different people's opinions themselves are difficult to understand, not to mention handling their relationships with each other. For example, in a passage (PT30, S3, P2) there is a debate going on about Greek Dramas tragedies written by an author X, and 3 scholars give different and distinct opinions on what lead to the consequences. When I read, I understood that there was a debate going on, and three scholars give different opinions about the same subject, which is Greek drama tragedies. But one question asks what is the difference between the opinions of scholar No2 and scholar No3, I can't summarize the difference, even after going back to read it one more time.

Convoluted answer choices add another layer of difficulties to the questions, which sometimes give me trouble, since I am not a native English speaker. But this problem is a minor one compared to the former. These all give rise to trouble when doing inference questions.

Does anyone have experience on improving skills on handling relationships and make inference upfront? Or any general advice on how to deal with these problems? And if any of you know a tutor can help with these issues, tell me please. I'd really appreciate your help, and thank you in advance.

Good luck studying, everyone!

Hey!

My name is Austin. I am looking for anyone who's interested in establishing a support group/chat. I have taken the LSAT 3 times with my last attempt coming this weekend in August. My PT average is about 159, but I am more focused on just the mental support. It would be great to keep the group going even through application season this fall/winter. If you are interested please let me know!

I feel like I have no one supporting me, no one competing with me, understanding my struggles, and sacrificing with me. I want this group me to be positive af, informative, and helpful. I take my LSAT in January and just did my 2nd PT and hit 160. I want 170 by January! Here is the link to join https://groupme.com/join_group/61773609/7zGuYuR3

I am scheduled to take the LSAT Flex next week. I put in an equipment request with LSAC to use one of their surface pros. I tried to take a prep test with it using 7sage's online prep test tool and I found it to be incredibly glitchy. When I tried to find highlight things or select answer choices with my finger, it would zoom in a lot and I had a hard time getting it to zoom back out. I'm wondering if anyone has used the surface during the actual test and had this same issue while inside the actual test?

I'm planning to apply to a merit scholarship ED program, but I'm torn between BU and GW.

Here's the deal: I'm currently planning to pursue some type of criminal or national security law (either at the DA, US Attorney, or other federal law enforcement agency like FBI or NSA.) I'm drawn to GW, just because the location will afford me to be closer to lots of national agencies and make more connections. Additionally, they have a national security law specialty, which is rare at most other schools.

However, I've heard some negative feedback about GW and am also slightly deterred by the huge class size. Additionally, I'm worried about making a decision based solely on location because there's a chance I won't end up pursuing this type of law.

As for BU, I've read that they attract some really renowned professors and scholars, which is very appealing. Also, the class size is much smaller and it is still located in a large city, which will afford me some connections.

I really want to apply to one of the merit scholarship ED programs and I do feel like I can confidently choose one of these schools, especially with some additional insight for all of you. Thoughts?

Did I miss a PDF for the valid vs. invalid forms or are they just in the videos?

Looking for peeps taking the October LSAT that live in Korea! Love to chat and study virtually together.

Hi 7Sagers

I'm planning on taking the October Flex but am struggling to improve my LG score. Currently I'm averaging around between 3 to 5 incorrect, and am hoping to reduce that to 0-2 by October, but not sure if that's being unrealistic :( I'm feeling a bit discouraged after taking PT 57 (the section with the infamous dinosaur game). I feel like my biggest struggles are finishing the section on time, not being able to draw my game board and draw global inferences as efficiently/quickly, and not knowing when to decisively split my game board.

I've already taken full practice tests: PT 1-20, and a couple from the 20/30/40/50's range and am planning on taking several more from those ranges and from the 60/70/80's range before I take the October test. I know it may not be ideal to take a few from each range instead of solving them chronologically, but I've heard it's good to practice with recent tests as well and I simply don't have the time to solve everything before the October test. I'm currently drilling PT 21-35 (games only), foolproofing those, and foolproofing all the LG sections from the full PTs I'm taking, but it's frustrating to see close to no improvement.

Do you guys have any advice on how to improve LG score in a month, and if this is even the most efficient method? Not sure if I should focus on solving more games before test day (even if that means I have less time to foolproof and review previously solved games), or focus on perfecting the ones I've solved before (even if that means I have less time to solve games either in drills or in full PTs).

Also, is it worthwhile to foolproof games based on game type (so today I foolproof Pure Sequencing games only, tomorrow Grouping In+Out only, etc.)

Open to hearing any of your guys' thoughts - Thank you so much!

HI all,

My friend has been pushing me to take this test this year. She went to T14 so her words carry some weight but I feel conflicted. !f you could share some of your thoughts it will be greatly appreciated!

Quick history of my preparation:

I studied LR for 3 months and I am at -8 to -12.

I studied LG for 3 months and I am at -4 to -0

However, I have not taken a single RC section. I have read all RC passages from PT1 to PT35 and watched all JY's explanation videos for these but my reading time for passages is anywhere from 4 to 6 minutes with comprehension level of 3 out of 5. It's not where it needs to be for me to do well in this section imo.

Also, my stamina is not that great. After doing LR translations for 3 sections I am fried.

I can't imagine taking additional LG and RC section on top of this during the real LSAT.

My goal score is 164+ Here's the dilemma:

If I take the 3-section Flex (November) I can take advantage of the shorter test but I wont be ready.

If I take the 5-section 'Real' (sometime next year) I plan on studying for 6 more months but I know I wont be able to perform as well because my stamina is terrible (which may or may not improve)

The best scenario is if LSAC decides to do Flex for some tests in 2021 but this is of course not guaranteed. I personally think there's a high probability that LSAC will do flex for earlier tests next year so I'm very tempted to wait.

P.S.

Those who are tired and feel like giving up, I am right there with you! My translation for a single LR section sometimes take 1-2 hours. I have stagnated and felt depressed about lack of progress too but I'm learning to appreciate even the smallest of improvements (small is not so small!). Celebrate these incremental improvements and keep fighting! I believe we will all be where we want to be at the end :).

Cheers,

I enjoyed this Q and thought I'd do a write-up.

The hard things on this Q for me were seeing the conclusion and understanding AC D.

The statement about development not negatively affecting the wildlife in the park is the conclusion, because it draws support from the following statements about #s on wildlife increasing and the Park's resources can support the current numbers. At first I thought this would just be a premise but after I read the paragraph I had to go back and see what the conclusion actually was.

The second sentence is a bit confusing, let's unpack it. We're talking about 2 surveys - the most recent surgery compared to one taken just before the development started. We should be asking "how far apart were these surveys taken?" The stim tells us a decade, so ten years. That's enough time to see a sizeable difference.

Next we see that theamount of wildlife has increased in those 10 years. Here is where your flaw detector should be going off!! The amount of wildlife has increased, but do we know that this means the Park's wildlife has not been negatively affected? Heck no. What if the development led to the death of all bears, and now without predators the bunny population is 20million? Or what if development led to every animal getting really sick, so now they don't kill each other, they just sit there in a catatonic state? Definitely a negative impact.

We're given 1 more premise that is not really important for getting the right answer. The parks current resources can support the current population. Ok? Will it support 1 more animal? Idk.

I've identified a flaw and now ready for ACs:

A. (Going bit by bit): ok, the recent survey and 10 years ago survey. This was the bunny flaw we identified. What if 9/10 species died due to the development? We're saying that's NOT the case. Still 10 species alive now, no fewer. Now we see the latest survey shows increased #s in each species. Bears, bunnies, etc all have increased populations. Good! This addresses a big flaw, and I like it. Def keep this answer. Turns out this is the correct AC.

B. If we took a snapshot of wildlife total numbers we need to know those numbers aren't skewed. B is showing it IS skewed - we took a snapshot at the peak time.

If this is how you read B you made the same mistake I did. "Diversity" is not the same as gross numbers. If this AC read "in addition to total number increase, diversity increased as well." This would add support to the argument that wildlife has not been negatively affected by the development.

The issue with B is it does indicate the snapshot is skewed - it was taken during summer when the numbers look best. Also make sure to note diversity isn't the same as gross numbers.

C. If animals are migrating in, then what can we conclude about the numbers of animals within the park? No idea!! The argument is using the total number of animals in the park increasing as a premise. Now that number is skewed by outside interference. What if 100% of animals within the park died, and 200% that number migrated in? Certainly we can't say the development had no negative impact.

D. This is a great subtle AC which makes it a little hard to see why is wrong. What does it mean that we can locate hard to find animals now that we couldn't in the past? It means in the past we could find 8/10 animals and now we're finding all 10/10. This weakens the support that the premise gives to the conclusion. What if population numbers didn't increase and you're just finding the last 2/10 animals?

E. Plant life - what about alien life? Did they find SpongeBob and Patrick? This is a throwaway AC because I don't care about plants - plants don't have a place in the argument we're given.

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