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Law school acceptance data
I just wanted to see whats a somewhat reliable way of figuring out whether or not you will be accepted to a certain law school. I am interested in going to either USC or UCLA for law but I wanted to see how my GPA/LSAT would measure up. Anyone have some website or data source? Thanks.
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This is what you're looking for:
http://mylsn.info/dispresults.php
mylsn.info is helpful. Check out the schools' class profile below.
https://law.ucla.edu/admissions/class-profile/
http://gould.usc.edu/academics/degrees/jd/class-profile/
On this page, what do the red and green highlighted schools mean?
It's the likelihood of acceptance. Red is basically no shot, green is a good shot. Orange and varying shades of lighter red/yellow/orange means it's a toss up.
I will say this is based off of historical data though, so there is always the possibility that it changes. And if you have a small sample pool (eg. super splitters), there really isn't any telling what the outcome of your cycle would be.
Also worth keeping in mind - this doesn't cover every acceptance and denial. It just covers what has been reported.
This is also a decent website. You can click on the schools, and review them more in detail, and each one there has a cool table that shows lsat ranges and GPA ranges and how many applications each school has had, and how many admits they have for that range and applicants.
https://officialguide.lsac.org/release/ugpalsat/ugpalsat.aspx
The cursed Super Splitter. I feel like a white whale....lol
@LSATcantwin
http://admissionsbythenumbers.blogspot.com/2013/07/which-schools-are-splitter-friendly-non.html
For all those white whales. For whales of any hue, really. No hate.
This is awesome!!
I'm just wondering what they'll think of me.
Cumulative GPA 2.7
Degree GPA 4.0
4 year Military service between my 4.0 and crappy college days.
Right now roughly a 168 LSAT? maybe?
Where oh where will I end up....lol
LSN is the best we are probably going to get, but be aware of a few issues that are probably true with the data. Nevertheless, I think some data is better than no data.
1.) I'd bet only about 5% of applicants report their numbers. This is entirely a guess %, but I think it's a reasonable amount. Even then, you probably have the vast majority post acceptances rather than denials. There is a huge lack of updated waitlist data as well. There is even less scholarship reporting, too.
2.) Truthfulness in the data. Since it's self reported, people might fudge a few numbers for many reasons: keep anonymity, lie, etc.
Personally, I like to play with the numbers around a bit to mess with the sample size. If I put my numbers in exactly, there are only about 10 people in the history of the site to report that, so it's not a lot to go off of. Best bet is to play with 2-3 LSAT points and a few hundredth points on GPA and see what happens. As I stated earlier, it's probably the best we are going to get. Last cycle, Spivey posted LSAT scores and # of applicants, so that's somewhat useful to gauge some of the LSN data as well.
I have the same stats as you for the most part. It's an uphill battle for sure.
Things you do have going for you :
Thing(s) you don't have going for you :
Sorry call me ignorant; but when I input info, I just get a list of schools I don't see a ranking of green/red/yellow. Can someone help a sister out?
Are there any resources that describe situations in which people have the numbers but still don't get in?
It would be nice to hear testimonies, or reflections from admissions officer detailing why somebody with 75% GPA and LSAT didn't get in.
@AJordanMD There used to be a video that Kaplan put up that had Admission officers from Harvard, NYU,Virginia ect. They all talked about how they analysed applicants applications. I'm trying to look for it again but it seems like they took it down.
If anyone else can find it that could be helpful for you.
They say they don't just look at numbers and with the discussion that they had they are looking for well rounded candidates. People with interesting backgrounds and stories. Some schools talked about how they get tons of applicants with high scores so what they were looking for were applicants with character. They also showed students who had high scores but did not have the character or came off as entitled/snobby. It came down to showing me that not a lot of applicants take the essay, letter of recs, resume, and overall application process seriously.Which they explained can hurt you in your chances of being considered.
Also they explained that not all GPA's are the same and they don't just look at whether you fit into their % percentage markers for GPA. They explained that sometime students may get a 3.8 at one school but their mean GPA at that particular school is super high and inflated like a mean GPA of a 3.65 for all students. Which can look bad (they really do look into what your class rank you are and the minute details of what your GPA consists of)
Where as a student with a 3.5 at a school whose mean GPA of all students is a 3.1 can look a lot better than the GPA of the former since the curve and grade inflation is not affecting the outcome of the actual GPA and may be more indicative of your actual performance as a student.
https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/SchoolsABAData/SchoolPage/SchoolPage.aspx?sid=137
@Maximus4 check out the grid at the bottom of the page. One disadvantage here is you cannot see URM data.
Best of luck
It should show up like this : http://i.imgur.com/8MhLIcP.png
If not, I'd say try another browser - maybe something with plugins or enabled/disabled content has a play in how the website loads.
Link 1 (schools: Harvard, UVA, Penn and NYU): https://livestream.com/kaptest/the-180-admissions-roundtable/videos/27765588
Link 2 (schools: UVA, BC, GWU and NYU): https://livestream.com/kaptest/lsat-180-live-mock-admissions-panel/videos/60476031
ETA: links don't work anymore
Hmm tried a different browser but for some reason still not working. This is how I have it completed. Is this correct?
-ED: Include (Don't know what that means)
-Submitted between: August and November
-Color Blind: Marked (Don't know what that means)
@tringo335 I think you may have filtered it too much. It's possible that there weren't any applicants that fit those specifications. This is especially true with AA applicants because there aren't that many data points available on mylsn. I think you should include more cycles and then leave the rest blank (ED, month of submission, and color blind).
I agree. Open the cycle window back for 2 additional years. Also, it's sometimes safe to widen your range of LSAT and GPA so that you get SOME results, and then start trimming down from there. Leave ED unchecked and leave color blind unchecked, unless you are RG colorblind, then you want it checked lol.
After you described what you were sorting, it's clear to me that there is no results. I've had it happen if I'm too specific.