Hello All,
I just wanted to know if there is anyone else out there who is really struggling with even the simplest of logic games? I just started the logic games portion of the course but I am having a hard time even making the smallest inferences in logic games. This is making me feel really hopeless since I know they only get harder. Is there a section that most people just dont do good at? Is it possible to still score around the 160s if your logic games skills are not there? I am trying to keep hopeful because I dramatically increased my understanding on logical reasoning and reading comprehension using 7sage but my brain is just not working with these logic games.
Any advice or personal experience with drastically increasing your logic games skills would be appreciated! Thanks in advance!!
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" I just started the logic games portion of the course..."
"...I dramatically increased my understanding on logical reasoning and reading comprehension using 7sage..."
LG are the easiest section to improve in. If you drastically improved in RC - the hardest to improve in - I'd give your LG prep some time and see if things start to 'click'.
First let me explain my biggest problem, it's not sketching the rules by themselves, rather making the inferrences and linking them.
Originally I had the hardest time just sketching out the rules let alone making inferences, but not that I've been doing them....ALOT.....I MEAN ALOT, i'm starting to see things that I've not seen before.
Here's what I did:
1 totally disregarded the timing aspect, (at this point it just depressed me and totally bugged my brain down). Yeah I know you will have to do it, but if you can't do it under relaxed conditions then how can you expect yourself to do anything under stressful one's?
2 I focused ONLY on the game, the sketch, and the rules. I totally ditched the questions because the thing that I've noticed is that when I look at a video that JY made and it gives me the sketch and the rules i can answer a question with 90% + accuracy in less than a minute a piece, so for me the biggest time eater was the sketch and understanding how the rules worked for/against the other rules.
If you focus on the rules and try to imagine the sketch, then the answers will be there, so don't worry about that part, and most importantly don't let it get to you. I was able to find a few youtube video's that talk about "how to study effectively" that were posted by college professors and they relate to things such as the LSAT and some of the most important things I've picked up are listed above.
Lastly I would suggest index cards for the LG and how to write them out. Those helped me ALOT
AND
making multiple copies of the PT's that you have, preferably three or more. Why? Because:
Copy 1 will be the original
Copy 2 you can write on in a timed environment
Copy 3 you can write on in a non timed environment
This will give you an idea as to whether or not the clock is the thing that's paralyzing you and not the question persay.
My first suggestion would be to go through the introduction to the basic LG game types (Sequencing, Sequencing with a Twist, Grouping, In/Out, Grouping with a Chart, etc.) in JY's 7 sage course.
My next suggestion would be to do every game from PT 35 and below at a minimum of 4 times. Let's assume on average it will take about 9 minutes per game. Doing each game in any PT 4 times will then take you about 2.5 hours. If you do that for 35 PTs that will take you to almost 90 hours of work. Make sure you are playing around with the games, exploring different ways of doing them, doing them with a rules driven approach, and then redoing them where you try to split them into different templates, or trying to solve for all possibilities (these will become more clear once you've been through JY's basic course). Don't just find the right answer on these games, try to force the wrong answer to be right and see why the rule ultimately won't allow for it, that's when you really start to see how these games work.
You'll start to see the same types of inferences recur over and over again within the different game types. Sequencing games often have inferences that deal with block items or leaders/followers, etc. In/out games have a recurring inference where when the out group is filled, everyone who is left must be assigned to the in group, etc. So just be on the look out for inferences that recur frequently. With time, you will get faster, and you'll get better at making inferences in games you've never seen before.
Just a couple of things that really put me over the hump on games that I learned from JY that may make more sense to you down the road:
1. know when rules trigger vs when they don't (saves so much time)
2. systematically apply your rules (helps tremendously to avoid paralysis)
Last thing, spend time practicing games EVERY day. Every night I spend about two hours just doing games again that I've done in the past. You'll be surprised how ridiculously fast you can get at them. Games used to be my least favorite part of this thing. Now, the two hours I spend every night is almost like a fun study break from all the LR and RC practice.
I am at the point now where sequencing games dont represent much of a challenge... I still struggle with grouping games.. but i dont struggle with game board set up and rule representation...
just gotta keep plugging away...
In the last month or so I've seen my preptest scores jump from the low 160s to the low 170s based almost entirely on my improvements in LG. Games mastery is definitely possible! I used to think that my brain just wouldn't work in the way that the LSAT requires and that maybe I was intellectually unfit for the practice of law, but the truth is that games ARE immensely learnable, and if you put in the work, you WILL improve. Now I'm just hoping I can replicate my recent success on the Dec test, just two days away.
Also, I really get excited when I can finish a problem in time and get all if not at least half correct. Baby steps is the way to go. Again thanks for your encouragement. If anyone else is struggling please read the suggestions above, you guys are awesome!