I've seen people talk about a -8 curve. On average a 155 is roughly 65 correct. What do you guys think people would have to get right to get the same score with this curve?
@smseraj3 said:
I've seen people talk about a -8 curve. On average a 155 is roughly 65 correct. What do you guys think people would have to get right to get the same score with this curve?
I dont think it has ever been -8. I think the conensus is closer to -10 or -11 depending on the RC since RC appears to have been brutal. The curve changes tend to only effect the upper most portion of the distribution so its probably roughly the same for the situation you posted. In recent years the curve has mainly affected the right most distribution the most
There's been some solid analysis online regarding the curves that can be expected from different test dates. June exams disproportionately have a -10 curve. In fact, the vast majority are -10, with very few exceptions. Typically, the more generous curves (-12, -13) occur with the December exam. September/October usually comes up in the middle, leaning toward -10. I have no idea why this is, but the numbers don't lie.
Granted, there's bound to be an exception at some point -- maybe we'll luck out!
Hey. As I wrote above, I feel that this was at least a somewhat below-average difficulty test. The logic games section may be the single easiest LG section I've ever done. No odd or pattern games like have recently been included. LR had a lot of what I estimated to be very easy questions, and a few difficult ones. Again some of the easier LR sections I've done. RC was moderately difficult throughout, rather than one or two virtually unreadable passages as sometimes happens. The questions in RC made it more challenging, in my estimation. Referring to the game what you're hearing reminded you of, the game you're thinking of is much more difficult than what was on the test.
@tfatherree I agree completely with your analysis of the difficulty of this administration of the test. I was starting to doubt my own initial perceptions of the LR sections after reading some of the posts after the test. It seemed like there were basically two kinds of LR questions: fairly easy and fairly difficulty. Not a whole lot in between.
I also had an experimental LR (LR-RC-LR-LG-LR), I think it's the one of the two with 25 questions. The last LR I had contains a parallel reasoning question in the end, and several familiar stimuli from past tests, not sure whether that's the experimental one.
@7SageThanks said:
Can't stop thinking about those RC passages. Can anyone explain them without breaking the forum rules about specific questions and answers?
@7SageThanks said:
Can't stop thinking about those RC passages. Can anyone explain them without breaking the forum rules about specific questions and answers?
I think he was looking for more of a broken down analysis of each passage. I'm not sure that is allowed, but I would love to see one on the psychology passage...that was a literal mind fuck. The other passages were OK but the questions made them difficult in my view. Praying I did better on that section then I think I did, as I imagine most of us are.
@7SageThanks said:
Can't stop thinking about those RC passages. Can anyone explain them without breaking the forum rules about specific questions and answers?
I think he was looking for more of a broken down analysis of each passage. I'm not sure that is allowed, but I would love to see one on the psychology passage...that was a literal mind fuck. The other passages were OK but the questions made them difficult in my view. Praying I did better on that section then I think I did, as I imagine most of us are.
Anything more detailed is definitely not allowed, but be patient -- in three or four weeks, you'll have a full breakdown of your answers
@smseraj3 said:
Can anyone confirm if the LG section with the beer game and training/grooming game was experimental? Also can anyone explain the curve people are talking about? Thanks
While I also had two LG sections, those topics did not appear in EITHER of my LG section, therefore they must have been experimental.
The curve: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grading_on_a_curve
tl;dr:
Your score isn't determined directly by how many you got wrong or right, but by how well you did in comparison to all of the other test takers so that an extremely hard test where everyone does poorly, you can get a higher score with more raw mistakes... You should really know this by now in your academic career...
That's actually not how the LSAT "curve" is determined. It's not a curve in the traditional sense-the score chart is supposed to be adjusted based on the logical difficulty of the exam. Then, your percentile ranking measures you and your score against the last three years of test takers. But yes, basically, if the overall logical difficulty of the test was a bit lower than average, it may require more questions to get to certain scores. Usually affects high score area more.
@RRH1616_ said:
I also had 2RC, 2LR and 1LG. I did feel like both of the RC were unusually difficult and time consuming. I can't particularly remember which of the two RCs I did within time and the other I ran out. This was my first time taking the test and honestly I think my nerves got the better of me. My heart was thumping all through the first three sections and I couldn't concentrate properly. Plus (I'm not trying to make excuses for myself) the girl sitting next to me kept reaching into her pocket for m&ms during the test! She's not supposed to eat anything while taking the test, is she? But anyway, her chewing and cracking the packet distracted me a bit. Should I have said something to the examiner? Anyway, first three games were straight forward and I got caught up on the last game Anyone have recommendations for which PTs have games similar to the last one?
Yeah i feel the same way. I was just too nervous first three sections. The break was just spent calming myself down. Lmao!!! HOW IS SHE EATING DURING THIS EXAM. that is a skill within itself. Damn.
So i took mine today and i had 3 LR sections the game section was extremely easy i had 53 min finished in 32 went over it again, reading kicked my ass though second RC was hard i had the rc with the jazz players, either way im feeling good and im releaved its over
@RRH1616_ said:
I also had 2RC, 2LR and 1LG. I did feel like both of the RC were unusually difficult and time consuming. I can't particularly remember which of the two RCs I did within time and the other I ran out. This was my first time taking the test and honestly I think my nerves got the better of me. My heart was thumping all through the first three sections and I couldn't concentrate properly. Plus (I'm not trying to make excuses for myself) the girl sitting next to me kept reaching into her pocket for m&ms during the test! She's not supposed to eat anything while taking the test, is she? But anyway, her chewing and cracking the packet distracted me a bit. Should I have said something to the examiner? Anyway, first three games were straight forward and I got caught up on the last game Anyone have recommendations for which PTs have games similar to the last one?
Yeah i feel the same way. I was just too nervous first three sections. The break was just spent calming myself down. Lmao!!! HOW IS SHE EATING DURING THIS EXAM. that is a skill within itself. Damn.
Right??? I'm like I can't even finish reading and you're over there looking into your pockets for M&Ms??? Magic.
@"Alex Divine" she really was, it was me and another girl and accommodation tests are lonnnng. so she was extra chill
@jowens7317 I love the optimism haha that RC was rough haha the girl that took the test with me said "this RC made me feel like I have the reading capabilities of a 5 year old with ADHD" so at least i know its not just me.
@ASIALSAT said:
Just finished the test. Had one reading comp section and I remember two passages: jazz, judges/evidence. Had two logic games sections. One section had a circle game that was tricky, and I think a puppy/kitten question (based on convos after test pretty sure this section was experimental). Other logic game section had a question about trips to Manila, Tokyo, Sydney (pretty sure this section was real). I had two logic games sections one with 25 questions and the other with 26 so the 26 question one is definitely real.
Did anyone else have logic game sections with 25 questions or 26 questions?
@ASIALSAT said:
Just finished the test. Had one reading comp section and I remember two passages: jazz, judges/evidence. Had two logic games sections. One section had a circle game that was tricky, and I think a puppy/kitten question (based on convos after test pretty sure this section was experimental). Other logic game section had a question about trips to Manila, Tokyo, Sydney (pretty sure this section was real). I had two logic games sections one with 25 questions and the other with 26 so the 26 question one is definitely real.
Did anyone else have logic game sections with 25 questions or 26 questions?
No but that sounds like a dream scenario. Basically the exact opposite of that RC section :-P
@Hannah56 said:
I don't know if this is an allowerd question, please delete if it's not. But the last LR with 25 Q's had a lot of straight line bubbling? Or is it only me
@nilakayjackson said:
All I remember from the test is wynton marsalis, beer game, sydney manila tokyo... I must have blacked out during Logical Reasoning.
Same -- besides one LR question, I literally remember NOTHING. Either a very good or a very dreadful sign.
I gotta say I wasn't the biggest fan of the afternoon LSAT. Felt like I hit a mental wall around the 3rd section due to it being 3:00 by that time and the day just dragging on.
@ASIALSAT said:
Just finished the test. Had one reading comp section and I remember two passages: jazz, judges/evidence. Had two logic games sections. One section had a circle game that was tricky, and I think a puppy/kitten question (based on convos after test pretty sure this section was experimental). Other logic game section had a question about trips to Manila, Tokyo, Sydney (pretty sure this section was real). I had two logic games sections one with 25 questions and the other with 26 so the 26 question one is definitely real.
Did anyone else have logic game sections with 25 questions or 26 questions?
I think @ASIALSAT meant to say logical seasoning sections in the last sentence? Because the real LG was 23 questions for sure, and 25/26 are the respective question numbers of the LR sections. Anyone remember how many questions were in RC?
@zhoub14 said:
So I had three LRs. Two of them had 25 questions each and one had 26 questions. Is the one with 26 real?
Shit! I thought they all had the same amount of questions so I quickly bubbled in at random a 26th question on my last LR when I saw that the LR section before had 26 questions bubbled in (
I had 2 RC sections, 2 LR, and 1 LG (in that order from what I recall).
In my last LR, I noticed a sort of grammatical error in one of the questions towards the end (maybe around #17 or so). I don't remember the exact phrasing. In the middle of a sentence in the stimulus it said something like "but and". It was two conjunctions that did not make sense together. Anyone else notice that?
@"surfy surf" said:
I had 2 RC sections, 2 LR, and 1 LG (in that order from what I recall).
In my last LR, I noticed a sort of grammatical error in one of the questions towards the end (maybe around #17 or so). I don't remember the exact phrasing. In the middle of a sentence in the stimulus it said something like "but and". It was two conjunctions that did not make sense together. Anyone else notice that?
@"surfy surf" said:
I had 2 RC sections, 2 LR, and 1 LG (in that order from what I recall).
In my last LR, I noticed a sort of grammatical error in one of the questions towards the end (maybe around #17 or so). I don't remember the exact phrasing. In the middle of a sentence in the stimulus it said something like "but and". It was two conjunctions that did not make sense together. Anyone else notice that?
@theLSATdreamer said: @goingfor99th damn it I was hoping for at least 25$ the watch was helpful i suppose i can use it to live my life 53min at a time
I'm only teasing. You may be able to get more. Not much more, though. Better to just keep it as a souvenir, maybe pass it down to your kids someday if you have them.
@theLSATdreamer said: @LSATiscoming sadly im in the same boat three LR sections and I can only recall one about fire 400,000 years ago.
Lol Same here with 3LR sections. The fire 400,000 yrs ago Europe one wasn't as tricky to me as the quark and neutron one. All the sections are blurred in my mind Idk which section was experimental anymore.
Anyone remember any of the following LR topics: objectivity of newspaper journalists and new media companies being partisan, a company w/a new central computing system/paper files, returning things on time, a project going over budget, dwarf planets/Pluto, rejecting a politicians proposal, the use of 2 types of camouflage/snake eyes/caterpillars, tearing down a historic building?
@theLSATdreamer said: @LSATiscoming sadly im in the same boat three LR sections and I can only recall one about fire 400,000 years ago.
Lol Same here with 3LR sections. The fire 400,000 yrs ago Europe one wasn't as tricky to me as the quark and neutron one. All the sections are blurred in my mind Idk which section was experimental anymore.
Anyone remember any of the following LR topics: objectivity of newspaper journalists and new media companies being partisan, a company w/a new central computing system/paper files, returning things on time, a project going over budget, dwarf planets/Pluto, rejecting a politicians proposal, the use of 2 types of camouflage/snake eyes/caterpillars, tearing down a historic building?
I had that exact section you're describing, but I had 3 LR so it might be exp
@theLSATdreamer said: @LSATiscoming sadly im in the same boat three LR sections and I can only recall one about fire 400,000 years ago.
Lol Same here with 3LR sections. The fire 400,000 yrs ago Europe one wasn't as tricky to me as the quark and neutron one. All the sections are blurred in my mind Idk which section was experimental anymore.
Anyone remember any of the following LR topics: objectivity of newspaper journalists and new media companies being partisan, a company w/a new central computing system/paper files, returning things on time, a project going over budget, dwarf planets/Pluto, rejecting a politicians proposal, the use of 2 types of camouflage/snake eyes/caterpillars, tearing down a historic building?
I remember the first, second, third, unsure on the fourth, don't remember the fifth, remember the sixth, don't remember the seventh, remember the eighth.
That was the easiest logic games ever, but the LR an RC were difficult. Usually I do really good on LG, so I was hoping that LG would be harder and RC and LR easier since I always get a perf score on LG. But nope!
@"Gary NYC" said:
That was the easiest logic games ever, but the LR an RC were difficult. Usually I do really good on LG, so I was hoping that LG would be harder and RC and LR easier since I always get a perf score on LG. But nope!
@"Gary NYC" said:
That was the easiest logic games ever, but the LR an RC were difficult. Usually I do really good on LG, so I was hoping that LG would be harder and RC and LR easier since I always get a perf score on LG. But nope!
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If only we can go back 24 hours ...anything to turn time back just a bit
I've seen people talk about a -8 curve. On average a 155 is roughly 65 correct. What do you guys think people would have to get right to get the same score with this curve?
Does anyone remember how many questions were in the real LG section?
There were 23 Q
I dont think it has ever been -8. I think the conensus is closer to -10 or -11 depending on the RC since RC appears to have been brutal. The curve changes tend to only effect the upper most portion of the distribution so its probably roughly the same for the situation you posted. In recent years the curve has mainly affected the right most distribution the most
Can't stop thinking about those RC passages. Can anyone explain them without breaking the forum rules about specific questions and answers?
There's been some solid analysis online regarding the curves that can be expected from different test dates. June exams disproportionately have a -10 curve. In fact, the vast majority are -10, with very few exceptions. Typically, the more generous curves (-12, -13) occur with the December exam. September/October usually comes up in the middle, leaning toward -10. I have no idea why this is, but the numbers don't lie.
Granted, there's bound to be an exception at some point -- maybe we'll luck out!
Source: http://lsatblog.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/easiest-lsat-curve-hardest-june.html
@tfatherree I agree completely with your analysis of the difficulty of this administration of the test. I was starting to doubt my own initial perceptions of the LR sections after reading some of the posts after the test. It seemed like there were basically two kinds of LR questions: fairly easy and fairly difficulty. Not a whole lot in between.
I also had an experimental LR (LR-RC-LR-LG-LR), I think it's the one of the two with 25 questions. The last LR I had contains a parallel reasoning question in the end, and several familiar stimuli from past tests, not sure whether that's the experimental one.
psychology/inferential thinking/children/expertise
Wynton Marsalis
Independent research/trial judges/appellate courts
Dowsing aka divining rods
Anyone else find the logical > @InArguendo said:
I think he was looking for more of a broken down analysis of each passage. I'm not sure that is allowed, but I would love to see one on the psychology passage...that was a literal mind fuck. The other passages were OK but the questions made them difficult in my view. Praying I did better on that section then I think I did, as I imagine most of us are.
Anything more detailed is definitely not allowed, but be patient -- in three or four weeks, you'll have a full breakdown of your answers
Yes, thank you for pointing this fact out!
Yeah i feel the same way. I was just too nervous first three sections. The break was just spent calming myself down. Lmao!!! HOW IS SHE EATING DURING THIS EXAM. that is a skill within itself. Damn.
So i took mine today and i had 3 LR sections the game section was extremely easy i had 53 min finished in 32 went over it again, reading kicked my ass though second RC was hard i had the rc with the jazz players, either way im feeling good and im releaved its over
Btw my accomodatiok was nice the lady let me have candy bars and a red bull !!! It was just me and one other test taker
Totally guessing here..I think we'll get a -12 curve. Optimistic I know haha but wow at that RC section
Yooo! That's lit. I love Red Bulls and candy is always bomb. Your lady sounds chill
Right??? I'm like I can't even finish reading and you're over there looking into your pockets for M&Ms??? Magic.
Let that be true tears
@"Alex Divine" she really was, it was me and another girl and accommodation tests are lonnnng. so she was extra chill
@jowens7317 I love the optimism haha that RC was rough haha the girl that took the test with me said "this RC made me feel like I have the reading capabilities of a 5 year old with ADHD" so at least i know its not just me.
Did anyone else have logic game sections with 25 questions or 26 questions?
No but that sounds like a dream scenario. Basically the exact opposite of that RC section :-P
YES that scared me...
I think the inferring own thoughts passage was about this...Or am I still totally off base?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_fable
All I remember from the test is wynton marsalis, beer game, sydney manila tokyo... I must have blacked out during Logical Reasoning.
Same -- besides one LR question, I literally remember NOTHING. Either a very good or a very dreadful sign.
@LSATiscoming sadly im in the same boat three LR sections and I can only recall one about fire 400,000 years ago.
I gotta say I wasn't the biggest fan of the afternoon LSAT. Felt like I hit a mental wall around the 3rd section due to it being 3:00 by that time and the day just dragging on.
I think @ASIALSAT meant to say logical seasoning sections in the last sentence? Because the real LG was 23 questions for sure, and 25/26 are the respective question numbers of the LR sections. Anyone remember how many questions were in RC?
Shit! I thought they all had the same amount of questions so I quickly bubbled in at random a 26th question on my last LR when I saw that the LR section before had 26 questions bubbled in (
I had 2 RC sections, 2 LR, and 1 LG (in that order from what I recall).
In my last LR, I noticed a sort of grammatical error in one of the questions towards the end (maybe around #17 or so). I don't remember the exact phrasing. In the middle of a sentence in the stimulus it said something like "but and". It was two conjunctions that did not make sense together. Anyone else notice that?
Maybe it wasn't actually a mistake.
btw i have allof thelsats from 1- 70 and the mastermind watch, how much do you guys think i can get for it online? lol
$20
@goingfor99th damn it I was hoping for at least 25$ the watch was helpful i suppose i can use it to live my life 53min at a time
I'm only teasing. You may be able to get more. Not much more, though. Better to just keep it as a souvenir, maybe pass it down to your kids someday if you have them.
Lol Same here with 3LR sections. The fire 400,000 yrs ago Europe one wasn't as tricky to me as the quark and neutron one. All the sections are blurred in my mind Idk which section was experimental anymore.
Anyone remember any of the following LR topics: objectivity of newspaper journalists and new media companies being partisan, a company w/a new central computing system/paper files, returning things on time, a project going over budget, dwarf planets/Pluto, rejecting a politicians proposal, the use of 2 types of camouflage/snake eyes/caterpillars, tearing down a historic building?
I had that exact section you're describing, but I had 3 LR so it might be exp
^Those questions are over random sections.
I remember the first, second, third, unsure on the fourth, don't remember the fifth, remember the sixth, don't remember the seventh, remember the eighth.
Oh geez
Well that shows how well I remember the test after xD
LOL nah it's a lot to try to recall and order. I remember thinking 1 section was much more challenging and strange than the others.
Thanks @goingfor99th ! I'm sure you can find friends in law school living their lives 53 mins at a time
The Psychologists was about Inferences. The RC list, to the best of my recollection, as I only had one RC section was as follows.
Jazz
Dowsing
Psychologists-Inferences
Appellate and Trail Courts
I think I answered that nuclear reactor steam/heavy isotope question correctly.
Other than that marsh clearing question, that was my most uncertain selection.
Yippppeeee!
That was the easiest logic games ever, but the LR an RC were difficult. Usually I do really good on LG, so I was hoping that LG would be harder and RC and LR easier since I always get a perf score on LG. But nope!
How much time did you have left at G4? I had 15.
Yeah I was so ready for experimental LG!
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