@JamesFoleno yeah i think so. cause some can be translated as conditionals, like [The school does hire substitute teachers, but only ones with experience.] but i dont think all of them are, they're just contrast statements
Even if I go to the library everyday, I still have to study.
I go to the library everyday and I have to study.
I go to the library everyday but I have to make sure to study.
-All phrases have the same logical meaning, replacing "but" or "even if"/"even though" for "and" sacrifices some context and nuance but provides the simplicity needed to have the logical foundation.
For clairification, it looks like the only example here that is a conditional statement is "The school does hire substitute teachers, but only ones with experience." Translating this to Lawgic:
Hired by school --> Substitute with experience
OR
/Substitute with experience --> /Hired by school
Am I correctly identifying this as a conditional and, if so, did I correctly identify the sufficient and necessary conditions?
So using "but" or "even if" is essentially the same as the conjunction indictor "and" as far as grammar is concerned, it is just a more specific way of saying it, because it implies contrast between the clauses.
@MSouthard Right. Technically "even if" isn't quite the same as "and," because the "even if" part isn't being asserted as true. "Even if I win the lottery, I won't be happy." This doesn't mean I will win the lottery. Just that, regardless of whether I win or not, I won't be happy.
While this makes sense, none of these examples are conditional statements, right? So I am a little bit confused as to why it is important in this scenario to know that BUT and EVEN IF can be conjunction indicators.
@mrcarrillo327 Mark -> good friend and /husband material.
Note that if it is stated as: "Amy rejects anyone who is a good friend but not a husband material". Then it would be: rejected by Amy (receive rejection) -> good friend and /husband material
It really bothers me that "even if" can = "and" in logic. Because I feel like "and" implies that both those things are true whereas "even if" just implies that one is not necessarily wrong, but that does not mean it is necessarily true either, like and implies.
@IsaacNyberg Although even if can sometimes be understood as hypothetical, it can also be used when both things are definitively true. For example, the sentence "Even if he is a good friend, he is not husband material" implies that he is both a good friend and not husband material.
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I miss the videos. I learn a lot from those.
The example sentences were not conditionals, right?
@JamesFoleno yeah i think so. cause some can be translated as conditionals, like [The school does hire substitute teachers, but only ones with experience.] but i dont think all of them are, they're just contrast statements
Even if I go to the library everyday, I still have to study.
I go to the library everyday and I have to study.
I go to the library everyday but I have to make sure to study.
-All phrases have the same logical meaning, replacing "but" or "even if"/"even though" for "and" sacrifices some context and nuance but provides the simplicity needed to have the logical foundation.
Some nuance may be lost, but (AND, EVEN IF, EVEN THOUGH) it is still operational. :D
would've been helpful to see the examples translated into Lawgic
@ps939 I think one example is:
He -> good friend & not husband material
He->good friend
he ->not husband material
For clairification, it looks like the only example here that is a conditional statement is "The school does hire substitute teachers, but only ones with experience." Translating this to Lawgic:
Hired by school --> Substitute with experience
OR
/Substitute with experience --> /Hired by school
Am I correctly identifying this as a conditional and, if so, did I correctly identify the sufficient and necessary conditions?
@KellanOliver10 Looks correct
@KellanOliver10 There's at least one other.
$50+ -> /her ticket, her ticket -> /$50+. If the ticket's over $50, she didn't receive it. If she received the ticket, it wasn't over $50.
So using "but" or "even if" is essentially the same as the conjunction indictor "and" as far as grammar is concerned, it is just a more specific way of saying it, because it implies contrast between the clauses.
@MSouthard Right. Technically "even if" isn't quite the same as "and," because the "even if" part isn't being asserted as true. "Even if I win the lottery, I won't be happy." This doesn't mean I will win the lottery. Just that, regardless of whether I win or not, I won't be happy.
@Kevin_Lin dang i'd sure be happy if its huge $$$
While this makes sense, none of these examples are conditional statements, right? So I am a little bit confused as to why it is important in this scenario to know that BUT and EVEN IF can be conjunction indicators.
@EvangelaGabeau Because its actually important to realize a conditional does NOT exist here.
Amy rejected Mark. He's a good friend, but he's not husband material.
good friend and /husband material -> rejected
Is this correct use of lawgic? Just trying to better understand these examples
@mrcarrillo327 Mark -> good friend and /husband material.
Note that if it is stated as: "Amy rejects anyone who is a good friend but not a husband material". Then it would be: rejected by Amy (receive rejection) -> good friend and /husband material
@mrcarrillo327 Amy could have rejected Mark for a number of reasons, so that argument necessarily doesn't follow.
Is there suppose to be a video attached here? Or is it just not showing up for me? Thanks!
@MayraLozano I also don't see the video. I don't think there is one here
It really bothers me that "even if" can = "and" in logic. Because I feel like "and" implies that both those things are true whereas "even if" just implies that one is not necessarily wrong, but that does not mean it is necessarily true either, like and implies.
@IsaacNyberg Although even if can sometimes be understood as hypothetical, it can also be used when both things are definitively true. For example, the sentence "Even if he is a good friend, he is not husband material" implies that he is both a good friend and not husband material.