Since I'm seeing lots of post regarding the confusion and I was also confused. I went directly to the explanation that better explained why answer choice D is correct, which is:
Answer choice D: People 65 or younger are no more likely to fall below government poverty standards than are people over 65.
No matter what the poverty rate for the younger group is, their malnutrition rate is lower. The rates are still flipped for the two groups. This doesn’t explain anything.
I have a sort of silly question, but given the stimulus on its own and not using any real world knowledge, how do we know that the percentage of malnourished people 65 or younger is lower than the over 65 group? If all we know about the 65 and younger group is that the malnourished % is smaller than the poverty % is it not plausible that for the 65 and younger group the poverty rate would be say 35% and the malnourished was 30%? If that is plausibly true then how do we know the four answer choices which would help to explain that folks 65 and younger are less malnourished actually explains the results of the study?
This was a bit confusing... you mentioned how multiple different answers were very similar but didn't actually compare them against each other to show why would is more preferable to the other. This question definitely would have tripped me up, and I still don't feel confident that I could answer it if it was just me.
i am just wondering if in cases like this where the passage states "over 25%" do we take that to mean a number in a close proximation to 25% or can this mean from 25% to potentially 100%, the same way a "most" in LSAT means 50% but potentially up to 100%?
As in, more than 25 percent of people older than 65 being malnourished can logically mean 26%, 40%, 75%, or even 99%?
the video didn't do a very good job of delineating which of the answers is right.. by the end... i had to go through and reread the text post to realize that D is right, even then it was hidden in the end. Feedback note. Overall, still understood the lesson and why each answer was leaning towards helping the discrepancy, except for D.
I think on these except questions due to the nature of them using POE to solve them often especially if its a challenging question. This is a great method and explained well, its just the video part showing the explanation is confusing for us. It is confusing seeing one answer at a time and seeing them circled one at a time as correct which is the right method I used it myself and got this right. But in video format seeing one circled at a time just messes with our heads. I think to resolve that for all of us it would be helpful if for this specific question type RRE Except using POE to hunt the answer all the answers should remain on screen to reduce confusion.
#feedback would it be possible to put the average time needed on the quick view questions? I almost always do the quick view to try my knowledge first, but this question especially is complicated, and I think it would be beneficial to at least know what we should be aiming for in each question, despite not necessarily timing it.
RRE is the hardest question type for me thus far. I managed to quick view this one and get it right, but I really had to slow down, read, and think things through. I won't have the luxury of this time during the exam, so I'll have to figure out whether it makes more sense to try to parse out the answer, or skip and come back...
i think the biggest assumption we stick to when we ruled out the wrong answer choices is that
"the percentage of people in group 2 (65 and younger) is less than the percentage of people in group 1 (65 and older) which is 25%"
the last sentence compares % of people within the same group 2, or atleast thats what i understand from the explanation.
25% is not even more than half the group 1, so it wont even be half the entire population of 5000.
say that, group 2 makes up more than half the entire population of 5000. and the % that are malnourished in group 2 is 30% and % that fall below poverty in group 2 is 55%.
the last statement will still be true.
but then makes ruling out the wrong answers confusing, because 30% of group 2 is greater than 25% of group 1.
correct me if my understanding of the last statement is wrong.
This is so confusing: "For the sub-group who were 65 or younger, the percentages flipped around: a higher % fell below poverty standards than are malnourished. " So in my understanding, younger group was poorer but not malnourished. So answer D says "no more likely to fall below poverty than older group". E made sense to me to be irrelevant thus correct answer
For the sub-group who were 65 or younger, the percentages flipped around: a higher % fell below poverty standards than are malnourished. What are the specific percentages? That information was not provided.
Which means for this sub-group the percentage of the malnourished can be 80% and below poverty standards 90% for example. In this case, none of the answers makes sense.
#feedback I found it confusing how in this video, you're circling the wrong answers and crossing out the right answer just because it's an "except" question. Surely because it's the right answer D is the one that should be circled I would think.
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I genuinely hate EXCEPT questions
Since I'm seeing lots of post regarding the confusion and I was also confused. I went directly to the explanation that better explained why answer choice D is correct, which is:
Answer choice D: People 65 or younger are no more likely to fall below government poverty standards than are people over 65.
No matter what the poverty rate for the younger group is, their malnutrition rate is lower. The rates are still flipped for the two groups. This doesn’t explain anything.
Hope this helps others!
I'm no expert... but D is the only one that didn't help explain the discrepancy... soooo...
I think D is the correct answer and the instructor just misspoke
I have a sort of silly question, but given the stimulus on its own and not using any real world knowledge, how do we know that the percentage of malnourished people 65 or younger is lower than the over 65 group? If all we know about the 65 and younger group is that the malnourished % is smaller than the poverty % is it not plausible that for the 65 and younger group the poverty rate would be say 35% and the malnourished was 30%? If that is plausibly true then how do we know the four answer choices which would help to explain that folks 65 and younger are less malnourished actually explains the results of the study?
Makes sense.
I would hate to ever see this question again im so serious
i am such an idiot, i didn't notice it said "except" and was like "ummm... most of these could be it!"
does this include people the age of 67?
This was a bit confusing... you mentioned how multiple different answers were very similar but didn't actually compare them against each other to show why would is more preferable to the other. This question definitely would have tripped me up, and I still don't feel confident that I could answer it if it was just me.
i am just wondering if in cases like this where the passage states "over 25%" do we take that to mean a number in a close proximation to 25% or can this mean from 25% to potentially 100%, the same way a "most" in LSAT means 50% but potentially up to 100%?
As in, more than 25 percent of people older than 65 being malnourished can logically mean 26%, 40%, 75%, or even 99%?
If it's an except question he should have only circled the right answer, that didn't explain the stimulus
the video didn't do a very good job of delineating which of the answers is right.. by the end... i had to go through and reread the text post to realize that D is right, even then it was hidden in the end. Feedback note. Overall, still understood the lesson and why each answer was leaning towards helping the discrepancy, except for D.
I think on these except questions due to the nature of them using POE to solve them often especially if its a challenging question. This is a great method and explained well, its just the video part showing the explanation is confusing for us. It is confusing seeing one answer at a time and seeing them circled one at a time as correct which is the right method I used it myself and got this right. But in video format seeing one circled at a time just messes with our heads. I think to resolve that for all of us it would be helpful if for this specific question type RRE Except using POE to hunt the answer all the answers should remain on screen to reduce confusion.
why there's no "quick view" feature now, is it only me? I was able to do quick view on Lessons before jumping into the explanation.
why is he circling most of the answer choices its confusing
#feedback would it be possible to put the average time needed on the quick view questions? I almost always do the quick view to try my knowledge first, but this question especially is complicated, and I think it would be beneficial to at least know what we should be aiming for in each question, despite not necessarily timing it.
This was so confusing
irritated
RRE is the hardest question type for me thus far. I managed to quick view this one and get it right, but I really had to slow down, read, and think things through. I won't have the luxury of this time during the exam, so I'll have to figure out whether it makes more sense to try to parse out the answer, or skip and come back...
i think the biggest assumption we stick to when we ruled out the wrong answer choices is that
"the percentage of people in group 2 (65 and younger) is less than the percentage of people in group 1 (65 and older) which is 25%"
the last sentence compares % of people within the same group 2, or atleast thats what i understand from the explanation.
25% is not even more than half the group 1, so it wont even be half the entire population of 5000.
say that, group 2 makes up more than half the entire population of 5000. and the % that are malnourished in group 2 is 30% and % that fall below poverty in group 2 is 55%.
the last statement will still be true.
but then makes ruling out the wrong answers confusing, because 30% of group 2 is greater than 25% of group 1.
correct me if my understanding of the last statement is wrong.
This is so confusing: "For the sub-group who were 65 or younger, the percentages flipped around: a higher % fell below poverty standards than are malnourished. " So in my understanding, younger group was poorer but not malnourished. So answer D says "no more likely to fall below poverty than older group". E made sense to me to be irrelevant thus correct answer
That is such an ambiguous last sentence. What does it even mean?
Hopefully I will be under 65 when I can finally take the LSAT.
I find this question very confusing.
From the notes:
For the sub-group who were 65 or younger, the percentages flipped around: a higher % fell below poverty standards than are malnourished. What are the specific percentages? That information was not provided.
Which means for this sub-group the percentage of the malnourished can be 80% and below poverty standards 90% for example. In this case, none of the answers makes sense.
#feedback I found it confusing how in this video, you're circling the wrong answers and crossing out the right answer just because it's an "except" question. Surely because it's the right answer D is the one that should be circled I would think.