This is where it all started to go wrong for me lol. In all seriousness, the whole necessary vs sufficient and subset vs superset thing is what catches me out the most, probably because its never this simply outlined in the actual questions.
@yanasok398 there have been questions on the previous LSATs that test on these concepts along with percentages. A simple format for example:
60% of law students take Constitutional Law.
40% of law students participate in Moot court.
25% of law students both take Constitutional Law and participate in Moot court.
∣C∪M∣=∣C∣+∣M∣−∣C∩M∣ =60+40−25=75%
A question might test what we can infer from this, that is 75% of the student only does exclusively one or the other.
The questions get really tricky when they start introducing abstract numeral words like all, more, most, some, instead of a solid number. Like for example:
Most (more than 50% -> almost all) law students take Constitutional Law.
Some (at least one person) law students participate in moot court.
All (M subset of C ) law students who participate in moot court also take Constitutional Law.
And now you are trying to draw Venn Diagrams and inferences based on these sets of data. For example:
Inference 1: Some students who take Constitutional Law participate in moot court.
Inference 2: Most law students do not participate in moot court.
Set theory is pretty fascinating. I love Russell's paradox: According to the unrestricted comprehension principle, for any sufficiently well-defined property, there is the set of all and only the objects that have that property. Let R be the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. (This set is sometimes called "the Russell set".) If R is not a member of itself, then its definition entails that it is a member of itself; yet, if it is a member of itself, then it is not a member of itself, since it is the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. The resulting contradiction is Russell's paradox.
@jhlaier Russell's paradox was the first concept I thought of when hearing the word "set." It's so interesting to see overlap from previous studies with LSAT studies, and it makes the LSAT feel all the more human and real; it isn't some abstract, intangible logicfest but rather a test of real life application!
Also, after just having read Katabasis by R.F. Kuang and seeing Russell's paradox represented there, as well, it's nice to see it represented again!
Feeling kind of annoyed that I was sent to the old LSAT schedule and not the new one from the start. I just wasted a day and a half on the old schedule, and it's unclear what I need to do, and what I need to skip on the old one.
can we not use the discussion for meaningless bs... I've only seen this feature useful once every other time its jus randoms acting like its a tiktok comment section
@JKang I've found that laughing at others' comments has only helped me remember lessons better! Everyone has a right to study, comment, and interact on a platform they've paid for in the way that best suits their own personality, within reason. life is short, and we should enjoy laughing around a little bit, when appropriate! best of luck on your studies!
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You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you
this being posted 3 weeks ago is just.. chefs kiss
inSETption
Now how about a subset of donkeys? Pretty clear indeed.
Mr. Fat Cat never had the makings of a varsity athlete
@petvma 20 years in the can, fat cat didnt make a peep.
@KikeHernándezLuvr You know, Mr. Fat cat predicted all this
@petvma Mr. Fat Cat, how was Boca?
@petvma always with the scenarios
@petvma Mr. Fat Cat's mom grew up during the great depression, but depression to her was a trip to Six Flags
THIS GUYS' OBSESSED W/ FAT CATS LOL
Why does the lsat take basic grammar and make it advanced 🤯
Garfield catching strays
Going back to do my foundation lessons because I am the worst studier and skipped ahead to LR lol
I think I get it - subset is small and the super set is big
subset: pizza
superset: food
Same! Lol I stopped grammar halfway thru
@pinkaliciouslaw lowkey thinking about it this way was super helpful
show cat
all of a sudden the stuff i learned last week is starting to make more sense #lol
Honestly
This is where it all started to go wrong for me lol. In all seriousness, the whole necessary vs sufficient and subset vs superset thing is what catches me out the most, probably because its never this simply outlined in the actual questions.
a little confused how this will relate to actual questions on the LSAT but we will see!
@yanasok398 there have been questions on the previous LSATs that test on these concepts along with percentages. A simple format for example:
60% of law students take Constitutional Law.
40% of law students participate in Moot court.
25% of law students both take Constitutional Law and participate in Moot court.
∣C∪M∣=∣C∣+∣M∣−∣C∩M∣ =60+40−25=75%
A question might test what we can infer from this, that is 75% of the student only does exclusively one or the other.
The questions get really tricky when they start introducing abstract numeral words like all, more, most, some, instead of a solid number. Like for example:
Most (more than 50% -> almost all) law students take Constitutional Law.
Some (at least one person) law students participate in moot court.
All (M subset of C ) law students who participate in moot court also take Constitutional Law.
And now you are trying to draw Venn Diagrams and inferences based on these sets of data. For example:
Inference 1: Some students who take Constitutional Law participate in moot court.
Inference 2: Most law students do not participate in moot court.
At this point we need a pic of Athena!
Set theory is pretty fascinating. I love Russell's paradox: According to the unrestricted comprehension principle, for any sufficiently well-defined property, there is the set of all and only the objects that have that property. Let R be the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. (This set is sometimes called "the Russell set".) If R is not a member of itself, then its definition entails that it is a member of itself; yet, if it is a member of itself, then it is not a member of itself, since it is the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. The resulting contradiction is Russell's paradox.
@jhlaier Russell's paradox was the first concept I thought of when hearing the word "set." It's so interesting to see overlap from previous studies with LSAT studies, and it makes the LSAT feel all the more human and real; it isn't some abstract, intangible logicfest but rather a test of real life application!
Also, after just having read Katabasis by R.F. Kuang and seeing Russell's paradox represented there, as well, it's nice to see it represented again!
This is the first thing I've understood when starting lord help me
The Mr. Fat Cat erasure is highly disappointing
whoever said to ask chatgpt for example questions for certain topics is a God. I was struggling with this particular topic, will not lie.
Hi! How did you use chat gpt to help you with this?
pretty clear!
He's not fat, he's just big boned!
we now all have semantic satiation for the word "set"
subset: Dog
superset: Animals
Feeling kind of annoyed that I was sent to the old LSAT schedule and not the new one from the start. I just wasted a day and a half on the old schedule, and it's unclear what I need to do, and what I need to skip on the old one.
I though we would get a picture of the Car
Excited to learn more about logical reasoning!
can we not use the discussion for meaningless bs... I've only seen this feature useful once every other time its jus randoms acting like its a tiktok comment section
@JKang I think letting people have a bit of fun while studying for an exam is okay.
@JKang I've found that laughing at others' comments has only helped me remember lessons better! Everyone has a right to study, comment, and interact on a platform they've paid for in the way that best suits their own personality, within reason. life is short, and we should enjoy laughing around a little bit, when appropriate! best of luck on your studies!
@JKang this kind of feels unnecessary... you do not have to open the comment section if you dont want to :) let people have fun and enjoy life