Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it would be cool to get a study group together for those of us who receive accommodations. Who would want to join if I started one?

Right now, I've been studying full time since January, but I also studied all summer last year, and on-and-off during the fall semester. I've been dedicating 5-6 hours every day with one day off per week, but even so, I'm not seeing much change in my results. I know progress isn't always linear and everyone's experiences are different, but right now I'm starting to get discouraged because I feel like nothing I do is working, and the April administration will be my third exam. I'm aiming for at least a 170, but my last real test was a 164 and all my recent PTs have been in the low/mid-160s range. I know it's significantly harder to break into the 170s from the 160s than it is to get into the 160s from the 150s and so on, but it's so agonizing to be so close yet so far! How long did it take for you to get the results you wanted, and how did you get there without getting burned out?

Does anyone know if we are still allowed to use command f on the exam?

Should I be taking the test, doing BR same day, and then go from there to see what I need to improve on? Or is it better to do BR after a few days? Trying to study for the June test and don't really know the best approach. Any advice is appreciated!

[I am posting on behalf of a 7Sage user. Please feel free to leave your comments below. Thank you for your help!]

I really need assistance in understanding this lesson: Basic Translation: Group 4

I am not clear on two things.

How do you understand that None is an indicator and not negation.

ex. /A->ADP instead of your choice of A->ADP ?

The rule states to pick either idea and translate. I am confused with step 3 and step 4.

Reviving this excellent resource so we can add to it and keep it alive. Credit to @alyhobbs and the 3 years ago crew. Hope you all are killing it wherever you are.

Original thread: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/16979/help-with-flaw-type-examples

Will be adding to this but hey, don't make me do all the work... please post your examples up (especially for unaddressed categories) and I'll add them to the OP. It would be sweet if you copied the general format that follows too so I can just copy and paste. I'll credit you and you can be immortalized in the sage archives for all time.

Future 7sagers: please do continue to do this... copy what follows and make it your own. Please credit the original poster below and carry the flame.

@alyhobbs wrote:

Hey everyone, I am having a hard time with Flaw Questions. I know we are supposed to memorize the common argument flaws but that is where my struggle is. I am very much a visual/example type of learner. When going through the flaw types I realized it would really help me to understand and memorize them if I had examples. So I have been going through PTs and Drills that I have done trying to match them up with the flaw types and could use some help. Some I am able to easily match up to the type of flaw and others I am not. I have listed the different types below, some have specific question examples and then underneath I have a list of questions I need help matching. If anyone knows of any specific PT questions that match up with the other flaws please let me know so I can add them to my list. I hope this can also help others that struggle with flaws.

Flaw Types with Example Questions

1) Attacking the source of the argument

PT19S2Q14 *Thanks keets993

"rejects a claim by attacking the proponents of the claim rather than addressing the claim itself"

PT25S4Q04 *Thanks keets993

"assails legislation on the basis of the questionable character of supporters of the legislation"

PT39S4Q11 *Thanks keets993

"diverts attention from the content of the article by focusing on the writers' actions"

2) Uses terms unclearly/equivocation

PT25S04Q17

"The argument ambiguously uses the word "afford""

PT53S1Q12 *Thanks keets993

"ambiguity of risk"

PT59S2Q15 *canihazJD

"the meaning of a key term shifts illicitly during the course of the argument"

PT22S2Q24 *Thanks keets993

"draws a conclusion based on equivocal language"

3) Analogies that really aren’t analogous enough

"It relies on an analogy between two things that are insufficiently alike in the respects in which they would have to be alike for the conclusion to be supported"

4) Appealing to authority in an area outside their expertise

PTJ07S2Q17 @WickedLost @"Granger Danger"

"The argument relies on the testimony of experts whose expertise is not shown to be sufficiently broad to support their general claim"

PT20S4Q20 @"Granger Danger"

Parallel flaw with classic appeal fallacy.

5) Causation confusions

PT47S3Q23

“It takes for granted that if a correlation has been observed between two phenomena, they must be causally connected”

PT30S2Q25 *Thanks keets993

"because hormone levels are correlated with heart disease they influence heart disease"

PT47S1Q23 *Thanks keets993

"ignores the possibility that an increase in theta waves may not always be accompanied by a state of profound creativity"

PT18S4Q9 *Thanks keets993

"It mistakes a correlation between the type of brain damage described and Parkinson's disease for a causal relation between the two"

PT39S4Q20 *Thanks keets993

"overlooks the possibility that the same thing may causally contribute both to education and to good health"

PT20S1Q10 *Thanks akistotle

"ignores the possibility that drivers who drive recklessly have a preference for red cars"

PT20S4Q14 *Thanks akistotle

"It concludes that one thing was caused by another although the evidecnce given is consistent with the first thing's having caused the second"

PT30S2Q25 *Thanks akistotle

"Because hormone levels are correlated with heart disease they influence heart disease"

PT31S2Q9 *Thanks akistotle

"offers no evidence that the individuals queried would have responded differently had they been asked the same questions in years prior to the survey"

PT64S1Q5 *Thanks akistotle

"dogs' misbehavior is the cause of, rather than the result of, frequent discipline"

PT65S1Q8 *Thanks akistotle

"illicitly infers a cause from a correlation"

PT66S4Q25 *Thanks akistotle

"foods containing fiber also contain other substances that, when consumed, tend to prevent colon cancer"

PT89S4Q15 *canihazJD

“surmises from the fact that two phenomena are correlated that one causes the other”

6) Circular Reasoning

PT17S2Q2 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

"draws a conclusion that simply restates a claim given in support of that conclusion"

PT17S3Q20 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

"assumes what it sets out to conclude"

PT6S3Q8 *Thanks akistotle

"It assumes what it seeks to establish"

PT24S2Q8 *Thanks akistotle

"presupposes the truth of the conclusion it is attempting to establish"

PT49S2Q23 *Thanks akistotle

"The purported evidence that it cites in support of its conclusion presumes that the conclusion is true"

7) Confusing necessary and sufficient conditions

PT63 S1 Q25

“infers that something that is sufficient to provide a motive is necessary to provide a motive”

PT22S2Q25 *Thanks keets993

"confuses a sufficient condition with a required condition"

PT17S2Q11 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

"It mistakenly interprets P to be claiming that a factor assures, rather than is necessary for, a legislator's effectiveness"

PT17S3Q9 *Thanks keets993

"does not establish that only a bird could have made the track"

PT18S4Q3 *Thanks keets993

"Grass seeds will not germinate well unless they are pressed firmly into the ground. The grass seeds sown in this yard were pressed firmly into the ground, so they will germinate well"

PT22S4Q21 *Thanks akistotle

"presupposing that if an action's having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action"

PT23S2Q19 *Thanks akistotle

"taking the nonexistence of something as evidence that a necessary precondition for that thing also did not exist"

PT23S3Q17 *Thanks akistotle

"mistakes being sufficient to justify punishment for being required to justify it"

PT24S2Q23 *Thanks akistotle

"From the assertion that something is necessary to a moral order, the argument concludes that that thing is sufficient for an element of the moral order to be realized"

PT30S4Q14 *Thanks akistotle

"It mistakes something that is necessary for its conclusion to follow for something that ensures that the conclusion follows"

PTJ07S3Q25 *Thanks akistotle

"confuses a condition's being required for a given result to occur in one case with the condition's being sufficient for such a result to occur in a similar case"

PT64S1Q24 *Thanks akistotle

"confuses a claim that under certain conditions a certain action should be taken with a claim that the action need not be taken in the absence of those conditions"

PT67S2Q09 *Thanks akistotle

"treats a statement whose truth is required for the conclusion to be true as though it were a statement whose truth ensures that the conclusion is true"

PT68S3Q21 *Thanks akistotle

"takes for granted that the speech could not be inappropriate if it was not inflammatory"

PT89S4Q20 *canihazJD

"mistakes necessary conditions for sufficient condition"

8) False dichotomy

PT22S4Q09 *Thanks keets993

"treats two things, neither one of which can plausibly be seen as excluding the other, as though they were mutually exclusive"

PT38S1Q11 (Thanks to @"Slow is Fast" for finding it!) @"Burden.of.Floof"

"fails to consider that some students may be neither fascinated by nor completely indifferent"

PT39S4Q26 *Thanks keets993

"Since there is a storm moving in, the outside temperature cannot rise this afternoon. Therefore, it must fall."

PT59S3Q20 @cldennis94

9) Confusing probability for certainty

"It takes for granted that the economic incentive to construct colonies on the Moon will grow sufficiently to cause such a costly project to be undertaken."

10) Confusing "is" for "ought"

PT60S3Q16 *thanks @"cole.davis10"

"Takes for granted that preserving a currently endangered species in a habitat does not have higher priority than preserving species in that habitat that are not endangered"

11) Percentages v. quantity

"Far more pedestrians cross at corners than jaywalk"

12) Surveys and samplings to reach a general conclusion

PT 63S1Q3

“It relies on the opinions of a group unlikely to be representative of the group at issue in the conclusion”

PT51S1Q4

“fails to state the number of dermatologists surveyed, which leaves open the possibility that the sample of doctors is too small to be reliable”

PT31S2Q03 *Thanks keets993

"Those who are best able to provide answers to the question are patients, rather than physicians"

PT39S4Q21 *Thanks keets993

"that there may be few if any other plumbers working in Moore's town"

13) Hasty generalization

PT51S3Q6

“draws a generalization that is broader than is warranted by the findings cited”

PT30S2Q13 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

"Treats a claim about what is currently the case as if it were a claim about what has been the case for an extended period"

PT39S2Q2 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

“draws a conclusion about all cases of a certain kind on the basis of evidence that justifies such a conclusion only about some cases of that kind”

PT18S4Q25 *Thanks keets993

"He attempts to refute a general claim by reference to nonconforming cases, although the claim is consistent with the occurrence of such cases"

14) Experiments to reach a general conclusion

"playing the study's card game perfectly requires fairly low levels of perception and memory"

15) Your argument fails therefore the opposite of your conclusion must be true

PT47S1Q8

“takes for granted that the fact that a claim has not been demonstrated to be false establishes that it is true”

PT51S1Q15 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

“the argument, in its attempt to refute one theory of species classification, presupposes the truth of an opposing theory

16) Relative v. absolute

PT 53S1Q22 *Thanks keets993

"mistakes a merely relative property for one that is absolute"

PT 85S3Q24

"takes for granted that there are not significantly more households with a dog than ones with a cat"

17) Confusing one possible solution for the only solution

PT30S4Q6 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

"Confuses being an adequate solution with being a required solution"

PT59S2Q8 *canihazJD

"fails to consider alternative explanations of the decline in sales of ice cream"

18) Red herring

PT26S2Q11

"it appeals to the emotion of pity rather than addressing the issue raised"

PT18S4Q11 *Thanks keets993

"relies on an irrelevant reason for rejecting the civil libertarian's argument"

PT18S2Q04 *Thanks keets993

"He argues against a point that is not one that Marianna was making"

19) Tradition fallacy and novelty fallacy

“fails to show that a certain conclusion of the recent report is better justified than an opposing conclusion reached in older studies”

20) Confusing part v. whole

PT 47S3Q25 *Thanks keets993

"To put together this year's two All-Star Teams, the best players in the league were selected. Half of them were put on Team One, and half were put on Team Two. Since each player on the two teams was one of the best players in the league this year, it follows that the two All-Star Teams are the two best teams this year."

I also describe this is as 'falsey transfers attributes that can't be transferred' *Thanks keets993

PT17S3Q19 *Thanks keets993

"Of all the flowers grown in the university's botanical garden, the Oakland roses are the most beautiful. Since the university's botanical garden is the most beautiful . Since the university's botanical garden is the most beautiful garden in the region, the Oakland roses grown in the garden must be the most beautiful flowers grown in the entire region."

PT17S3Q16 *Thanks keets993

"assuming that because something is true each of the parts of a whole it is true of the whole itself"

PT62S2Q7 *Thanks LCMama2017

"This paragraph is long. So the sentences that comprise it are long."

PT87S3Q7 *canihazJD

"infers that a food will have a certain property simply because one of the foods ingredients has that property"

21) Beliefs v. facts

PT 80.S1.Q19 @cldennis94

"opposing higher taxes is not a factor contributing to good leadership."

Note: a Weaken question, but belief vs. facts is the flaw here in the argument.

PT 28.S1.Q19 @cldennis94

"infers that something is the case because it is believed to be the case."

22) Relies on people's opinions as fact

PT28S1Q09 *Thanks keets993

"a claim is inferred to be false merely because a majority of people believe it to be false"

Match the flaw

PT47S1Q23

“ignores the possibility that an increase in theta waves may not always be accompanied by a state of profound creativity”

PT51S1Q6

“It fails to take into account that what brings someone happiness at one moment may not bring that person happiness at another time”

PT51S1Q18

“overlooks the possibility that most people may have voted for small cities even though a large city received more votes than any other single city”

PT51S3Q4

“fails to consider that the total amount of money spent on education may be much greater than the total spent on sports”

PT51S3Q9

“fails to consider the possibility that the vehicle related fatality rates in other areas are also rising”

PT67S2Q9

"treats a statement whose truth is required for the conclusion to be true as though it were a statement whose truth ensures that the conclusion is true"

PT67S2Q21

"the argument fails to consider that bees might be present even in the absence of a particular condition that would ensure their presence"

More added by @samantha.ashley92

PT30S4Q8: "The argument presumes that no other evidence is relevant to the issue at hand"

Relative v. absolute? I have no idea.

PT30S4Q14: "It mistakes something that is necessary for its conclusion to follow for something that ensures that the conclusion follows"

23) Unrepresentative sample

PTM20S3Q18 *canihazJD

"making a generalization on the basis of a sample that is likely to be unrepresentative"

PT88S4Q19 *canihazJD

"draws a conclusion on the basis of a biased sample"

24) Sneaking something in (dont have a good name/category for this yet).

Hello everyone,

I planned to LR drill by grouping 5-6 question types. So I used 'particular tags' and assumed 7sage was only going to pull questions from PT1-45.

I just started doing this today, and to my horror, I realized that they were giving me questions from PT60-74 as well.

I know there is advanced builder function, but you can only select one question type, which isn't helpful to me at all.

So my question is is there a way to ensure that questions are limited to PT1-45 and if not, why isn't this option added asap?

Hi everyone,

I posted earlier (around December) offering free tutoring and worked with a lot of people to help them improve. Honestly, I have some extra free time and I want to help others on the same journey as me, for free of course!

For context, I took the Nov LSAT and got a 172. I actually retook in January to see how much I could improve and got a 175. I was also PTing 175+ before taking the test. I realize it is not perfect, but I would be open to helping out if anyone wants it.

Just like my previous post, I am open to working with any of the three sections and we can focus on:

I want to give priority to those who are taking the April LSAT since that is right around the corner, but willing to help out anyone else as well.

--

Please PM me and we can discuss/schedule a time if there is anyone that is interested in the help. Otherwise, wishing everyone the best on their LSAT journey!

I'm always finding myself making silly mistakes because I've either misread or not completely read all of the question or the stimulus. Both for LR and LG but more so for LG. Does anyone have advice on tips to remind yourself to slow down and double check you've read everything correctly?

Curious--

When going thru the questions on LOGIC GAMES after the set up, do you always go back to the OG board or when you make new moves, then do you look at the new board?

Hey 7Sagers!

A few months ago we announced that we'll be replacing the pre-made problem sets in the Core Curriculum. However, after carefully considering feedback from several 7Sagers, we've decided to keep the pre-made problem sets available for the time being. Rest assured, if we do decide to remove them in the future, we'll be sure to give you plenty of advance notice!

Note that you still have the option to create custom drills using our new drilling feature.

If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to reach out.

Happy studying!

sometime i want to do a specific section at a time but don't know how to do so. i searched the previous posts (which was posted 2 years ago), but the "custom problem sets" they suggested cannot work now.

Hi everyone!

On Thursday, February 23rd, at 9:00 PM ET, live class instructors Chris and Henry will be hosting a webinar about "Time Management Strategies on the LSAT."

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If you have any questions, please feel free to comment down below! I hope to see you there!

As title indicates, when will PT 94 and 95 be available on here? Any chance it will be uploaded before the April test?

I have seen conflicting information from unreliable sources and am wondering if anyone knows for sure if we are allowed to have drinks on our desk during the exam? I have been trying to practice without my water bottle, just in case. Thanks in advance!

Hey, curious how to flag specific questions in the practice tests. Is there someway of doing this?

What range of PTs should I be using now that the drill function uses a wider range of PTs? Any admin help would be greatly appreciated as this is a point of worry for me at the moment.

I have done problems that it's my second go-round and will choose the exact incorrect AC I did previously. It's interesting because once I know the right AC and am looking at my wrong answer journal, I clearly see what I did wrong and I'm like, I definitely knew better. And I'm bugged with myself for not remembering the concept. I think I'm pretty thorough with my WAJ, but am I not being thorough enough? Or just takes time for this stuff to sink in?

Is anyone else not able to play videos right now? Not sure if its my computer or the website #help

I'm writing this post to 1.) cool down and 2.) get some good advice and hopefully have my questions answered

Background: When I first started studying for the lsat, it was 3 months ago and I used 7sage and studied for around 4-5 hours everyday, although I took a day or two off a week to rest my mind, while drilling LR and LG mainly at first and then later I moved onto RC. This past month I took 5 practice tests all in the range of the mid to high 140s and it has messed me up mentally. I can't seem to understand it but no matter what I do I keep getting these bullshit questions wrong. I barely have time to read 3 passages for RC and even then I only somewhat understand what I'm reading. I would say I definitely put over 200 hours into this bullshit and feel that this was a giant waste of time. Also, I want to clarify that I tried to study for the lsat from almost every which way possible so I wouldn't see that as the reason why I'm not doing good. My BR's are in the low to mid 150s, which is a dream score at this point, and every time I see my BR score I just get overwhelmingly pissed off that I can't get those numbers on the actual exam. I'm currently registered for the September lsat in a week and don't even care what I get at this point. I don't quit on things easily but I'm also realistic that the more hours that I put into this is just wasting time.

Another thing worth noting is the advice I got from the lawyer I currently work for who runs a successful law office. I spoke with him about my worry for my lsat score and he laughed and told me not to worry. When he spoke about his law journey, he told me he went to some shitty law school, which isn't even active anymore, and how he did terribly on the lsat, like me, and how he was worried about going to law school, passing the bar, etc. He took the bar 4 times and told me that that he was determined to become a lawyer and wasn't going to quit no matter how hard it was. It definitely paid off for him as he has his own office now, drives a 100k car, and is still in his 30's. One thing he said that gave me some hope was: "if you want to be a lawyer then it doesn't matter how it happens as long as you end up being one and are set on doing so." I'm focused on being a lawyer so I really do hope what he said holds true. He told me about his other lawyer friends from his same law school that all ended up being successful after graduating and that if I put my mind to it then I could be just as successful.

Current Plans: Assuming I get what I currently got on my PT's, let's say a 146, my chances of even getting into a below average law school is like 60% and that's on the 7sage law school predictor which inflates everything and isn't that accurate. My thoughts are I'm going to take the test now, continue to study until the October one and take it then, and then if I score better than the September lsat I'll keep it if not then I'll cancel it. I actually am shocked at myself for being unable to get into the 150s but that's irrelevant because I've been dealt a bad hand. I'm planning on applying to only low ranked schools and early admit one of them. I plan to submit my applications in October to give myself the best chances of acceptance.

Questions: So with a 146 lsat and 3.4 gpa what do you guys think my chances of getting into a school like Southwestern would be with early admit? For those that are also scoring in the 140s range what are your guys plans: Are you planning to study for higher score or just apply with what you have? Do people with 140s lsat scores get accepted to law schools? I know lsat matters a lot but how significant do you think gpa/internships/personal statements etc. matters in law school applications? Is it worth applying to law schools if you were in my scenario or would you switch career paths?

Just to sum up, I don't care what law school I get into as long as I get in somewhere. I know bar pass rates and all that but for me as of now all that matters is just getting in somewhere with what I have. I have great letters of rec and my personal statement is great as well. So, I hope the best for all you guys whenever you take your lsat and good luck with your guy's law journey.

I'm still in the LR section of the core curriculum. For the different question types, a lot of the lessons comprise of example questions that JY goes over. While watching those, should I just be watching his thought process or trying to answer it myself before playing the video?

After completing a drill, I review the results and see "pin" on the first column. What's the purpose of this feature? How to best use it? Will very much appreciate your response.

I see 7sage updated the syllabus form, how can I see how many hours I studied instead of lessons? #help

I just signed up for the Monthly + Live subscription of 7Sage and am eager to get started! However, I am having an issue as the LSAT date selector/study planner will not let me select an LSAT dat/Study end date later than June 2023.

I won’t be taking the test until next year, so I was wondering how it would be possible for me reflect that in my studies?

Hi! I am looking for advice on whether I should cancel or keep my February LSAT score. This was the second time I took the LSAT and I received a 169 which was unfortunately lower than my first score (November) of 170. Despite additional studying, I just found this test a lot harder (thanks to the LG). I have score preview and need to decide whether to cancel the 169 or keep it. On one hand my instinct is to cancel since it's lower than my first score, but I have also read that it can be a mistake to cancel anything in/above the 160s (since it may be assumed you did particularly bad)? I may be taking the LSAT a third time (targeting 172), depending on my summer plans. I would appreciate any/all insights. Thank you!