Does anyone write low res summaries on scrap paper while taking sections and PTs? Any helpful RC improvement tips?

The explanation video rejects option (D) simply because it uses the term "primary goal," then moves on without addressing this answer choice further.

However, the stimulus starts off by framing the question around the primary goal of an ideal bureaucracy. Surely then, the primary goal of the the ideal democracy would be important to understand and find an assumption to support?

I would appreciate any further guidance on why (D) is wrong. Thanks!

Hi all!

I'm new to 7Sage (haven't done the core curriculum but have used the test scoring tools) and in a bit of a sticky situation. I just got the results of my third LSAT take and I don't know how to proceed. I started with a diagnostic of 166, which I'm sure was probably a lot of luck, but my official scores are 165 -> 168 -> 165. I'm aiming for something above 170.

My first test didn't go as well as I was PTing likely because I was pretty ill and I think I let anxiety get the best of me in my most recent take. I have a PT average of 171 and truly feel that I can do better than I have so far, but I don't know where to start. I've worked with a tutor in the past and while that was helpful, I think I've gotten as much as I can from it.

Would you all recommend going through the CC? Or would it be better to plug in all of my tests and build problem sets based on weak spots in analytics? Generally my LG is consistently -1 to -3, my LR is -1 to -5 and RC is -1 to -5. I'm also looking for a study group to work with in preparation for the November exam!

Thanks so much.

I was really sick that day, and I fumbled my best section (LG), which has been haunting me. Otherwise, I know I would have gotten a 168+. I feel awful :(. I am out of LSAT takes, so this is it for me. I'm just sad. I needed to knock the test out because of my sub-3.5 GPA. At least I'm done with the test forever. Meh.

is there a way to see how one did on each section individually? I thought this was a thing in the past..

My PTs are in the 170s, but that's because my LR and RC usually carry my scores. LG always, always, ALWAYS is shaky for me, and I think it was a defining factor in my August score. I can go anywhere from -1 to -8 in LG, and I'm always struggling with LG even despite foolproofing. I also don't have confidence in LG.

Would love to find a tutor who can help me strategize and prepare for the October. Pls lmk. Thanks!!!

After 6 long months of studying I took the august lsat and did significantly worse than I was PTing. I was averaging in the mid 160s consistently on every pt I took. After the august test I didn't feel great about how I did but I figured I just got in the 150s. unfortunately I only scored a 149. I don't know what to do I feel so discouraged that I paid a fortune for tutoring and spent so much time and effort into studying to only score my original diagnostic. How is it possible to average mid 160s and almost break 170 on my final PT before the test to only score a 149 and what do I do moving forward?

If anyone decides to help me out, please read everything I have asked because I feel that 95% of the comments I get don't answer everything I ask and I often leave with the same number of questions. And yes, I have already looked at Manhattan and Powerscore and LSAT Hacks and the comments AND the previous threads involving the same question before posting here. I always do.

My big problem with the 7sage explanation is that JY concludes that the conclusion: "no mark of success" means UNsuccessful and I think that is too big an assumption to make. My interpretation of the conclusion is that we cannot tell whether or not an underground group is successful or not based on sales alone because weak and strong sales don't mean the underground group is successful, even if weak sales is something these musicians desire.

That is why I had trouble picking B even though the premises match perfectly. I just have issues picking an answer choice that concludes both strong and weak sales indicate that the underground group is UNSUCCESSFUL when the stimulus only stated that we wouldn't know whether said group was successful from sales.

I found C incredibly attractive but it only does half the job. It does not connect the premise involving possible incompetency or the music being TOO trendy to the conclusion regarding how to gauge an underground group's success.

If anything here is wrong, please correct and tell me why it is incorrect.

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Thankful for any advice you have to offer! I Just took my first ever LSAT in AUG and I scored a 152. This was without any prep programs, just working through the Barrons text book on my own, for a month in half prior. I just wanted to take the actual thing to know where I stood. Now I plan to apply myself to 7sage and take it again in NOV. With that being said, I know that I can do even better with an even better preparation plan. I have my one time cancellation option. I'm leaning towards keeping the score because it is a score I could apply to some schools with and could show schools that I improved (hopefully) on my next LSAT. Does anyone have a reason why a 152 first time would be best to cancel? Thanks!

Help! What would "A book will not give its readers pleasure unless it was intended by its authors to have that affect" be negated?

I just scored a 161`on my first LSAT in August and I am pretty disappointed by it. I was scoring a 165 average on my practice tests with a top score of 169. Has anyone taken the LSAT more than once and improved a few points in a short span of time? I am taking the October and November tests. I feel like I am capable of performing better but this LSAT was particularly hard for me because I got a super hard reading comp section and this is my worst section (the Quantum physics passage). I plan on doing some moderate studying (15 hours a week) from now until the test. Is it possible to improve to a 165?

Hi everyone,

I had kind of a breakdown yesterday because of my August LSAT score. This was my second time taking it, and while I improved 7 points from last time (I got a 144, compared to the 137 I got in November last year) it's still very low, and I feel stuck. I'm registered for November, but I'm feeling a lot of pressure to score higher because my GPA is a 3.2, if I want to get into my target law schools, and I think it's keeping me from actually practicing again. I Does anyone have any advice on how I can strategize and work past this?

I did pretty well on RC of old tests (usually -1 to -3), but on the newer PTs, I've been going -5 to -7. I'm taking the October LSAT and the RC of recent tests have me worried... does anyone have any advice on how to improve on the newer RC sections? #help

I know usually means most but I am not sure about "tends to."

#help

Hi everyone! I have 2 questions.

1st. In logical reasoning, when the question stem asks for the main point, is that slightly different then it asking for the conclusion? I watched an explanation video for a main point, the question stem said “Which one of the following states the main point of the argument?” And JY said that the main point questions are looking for a summary of the conclusion. Rather, I notice when the question stem ask for us to state the conclusion it will be a more “word-for-word” explicit answer, leaning away from a summary type answer. Is this correct? Or does it depend on other factors?

2nd. Okay. Another question. Is not always the same as sometimes in logic?

Thank you so much.

I look forward to the #help!

Hello people of the good earth,

In need of some clear coated advice. I studied for eight months and scored a 150 on the August LSAT. This was my second time writing it as my first time was me being an overconfident rebel thinking I could swoop in a perfect score with 2 months of studying... I was very very wrong. I canceled that score. But, I came back with vengeance and determination and scored a 150. Am I happy with this score? Absolutely not, I was aiming for 160. I wrote the Saturday exam that had dual RC with African Languages and photo apertures. This section was brutal and I wish the best for anyone who got thunderstruck by it too. I must have scored a -15 on that RC alone. The rest of the exam went good. Now I am trying to figure out if I can increase my score by 10 points in two months? I know there is a lot of optimistic people saying its possible but is it a reasonable climb? I was PTing at 150 and I scored exactly 150. I know the perplexity of getting a section drilled to a T but, reading comprehension is my pitiful. So many high and lows with RC. Any advice improving in two month or should I throw in the towel for this year and continue grinding until everything clicks? Any help or opinion will help me immensely. Thank you beautiful people.

Got my scores back and actually scored better than any of my PTs to date - a 179. I've prepped full time since June, so had about two and a half months of study time. I took every PT 60+ and nearly solved every single logic game publicly available during that time.

So I'm going to pivot towards focusing on my app materials for the time being.

Shoutout to the super friendly folks on the forum as well as the explanation videos, test taking UI and analytics 7sage makes available.

I don't know if I'm qualified to give tips, but here's my 2 cents

Logic Games are all practice. You have to drill them till they "click." Once they click, they're all actually pretty similar to each other. Yes, even the crazy mauve dinosaur game will click eventually. It may never become trivial, but it will start to make sense.

Use the analytics feature on Logical Reasoning. Seriously. It saves so. much. time. This was the most useful feature on 7Sage for me. It isolates what question/difficulty combinations trip me up regularly. You can filter the results to only include most recent X tests, which will make the analysis more representative of your recent performance.

For example, I saw in the analytics section in my final run-up to the test that I consistently made errors in difficult (4-5 bubble) Weaken, Parallel Flaw, and Necessary Assumption questions. So I replaced PTs with focused drills on those types of questions & difficulty only. The Problem Set feature is very nifty for this. And about 100 questions per type later, I began seeing significant improvement.

Happy to answer questions if interested. May come back to return the favor by helping folks with harder questions.

Best of luck all!

I've taken the LSAT 4 times now, 144, 159, 159, and I just got my August LSAT with a 156. What doesn't make sense? My PTs were always 170s. I don't want to take this test again, I can't put myself through that stress again. I graduated undergrad in 2017, and had to take some time off for financial and health reasons, I really want to start this cycle. My GPA wasn't that great, 3.4. I was aiming at UNC and University of Texas at Austin but obviously I am far below their median this time. Should I even apply? How is it viewed when you get even lower points on a test you've already taken 3x? Is it even realistic to apply to schools whos median is far above our scores?

Hi 7Sagers,

First of all, congratulations to all who received their target score from the August administration today.

I'll be the first to admit that I am not in that category. On various forums and social media accounts, I've seen a number of folks describing a phenomenon that is similar to my experience, so I wanted to relate that information here to see if others have encountered it as well.

I started studying about one year ago, using a combination of 7Sage, LSAT Trainer, and more recently, the Loophole. My first ever diagnostic was 150, but by the end of the study year (August), I was consistently scoring in the mid-to-upper 160s, even on the most recent practice tests. My last ten PTs ranged between 164-168, with the more recent exams being closer to the 168 mark. During the actual administration, I felt fairly clear-minded and confident. I know now that my first section was experimental, and I felt that the sections actually played to my strengths fairly well.

So, I was pretty devastated to get a score this morning in the mid-150s. Basically, my PT average had dropped by ~10 points, and I'm pretty shattered. However, I'm also surprised to see so many others sharing a similar experience on various threads. Because this exam is undisclosed, it's really hard to gains specific insights into where things went so awry.

So here's my question - and I promise it's not bitter blood - but rather a recognition that others have recounted a similar experience during this administration: could the LSAC have overcorrected the curve for the past August administration?

I understand why the correct answer choice is correct because if robots were the only things going out to space, then why do we need to know anything about human limits but I don't understand why B is incorrect. Isn't the stimulus making the assumption that astronauts share these human limitations? Am I reading this wrong?

So putting aside the fact that I feel like an idiot for missing question 1....why is B incorrect? When I read it the first time, I thought it was correct because if someone were trying to maintain their reduced weight, wouldn't a diet be a poor option for them because once it's over, wouldn't they go back to eating their pre-diet level of food and gain weight?

Someone on the Manhattan forum mentioned that this choice uses the word "should" and therefore it is wrong, but I didn't think that was good enough of a reason. I do see that the stimulus doesn't talk about recommendations or what people should and shouldn't do but if answer choice C had said the word should, the content of this choice would still make it correct, wouldn't it?

Long story short I have been with a tutor since MAY trying to learn a method where you hardly read the passage (only first sentence of each and last sentence of passage) then for every question it’s basically a word search

I’m finding this method just doesn’t work. I’ve been questioning for months whether im an idiot or not but after practice testing with this method and getting 4 correct because her instructions lead me to the wrong answers I think I should change. The worst I did with powerscore method of ViewSTAMP was -9 so missing this many with this new method i’ve been paying for months is really upsetting. Sometimes her method works, for example certain passage sets I will only miss a couple but I really can’t afford to take this gamble anymore. Her method is not consistent with all passages I am finding.

Anyways, i’m testing in October and I NEED advice on how to improve by then in that section even if that means dropping this method and doing something else. What did you do for RC? It’s my worst section and I kind of suck at reading. Whatis easiest for you to understand the passage and helps the most when answering questions. Any advice you can give or tips for me to try is much appreciated

Thank you

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Has anyone had their icons turn gray yet? I took the LSAT on August 15th and scores were scheduled to be released today, 9/10. However, I’ve seen online that people say your icons should go grey on the day of score release and then sometime that day you will actually get your score. But my icons are still green..

I didn't understand the explanation for the right/wrong answer choices on this one at all. Can anyone help? I initially chose (C) on my PT and I still don't understand how that could be wrong, especially in contrast to answer (A).

Thanks!

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