This past weekend, I took the Nov LSAT (first time). I'm also planning to take the Jan LSAT but not sure what my study schedule should look like leading up to the test. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

So I answered D, and it was incorrect. Correct answer is C, can anyone please provide help as to why this answer was incorrect and why C was correct?

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Is there a way to get 5 random problems from test 59 and below? I don't want to select the type, I just need to know they are from tests 59 and below to keep my other tests clean.

Hi!

So I had just finished my Nov test and luckily I am signed up for January, but I definitely felt that nasty feeling after finishing it. Now I’m super motivated to do way better for January! I’m looking for some buddies or accountability groups in DFW area (texas) who want to come together and help each other out for the next 2 months!!

let me know!!

I know there’s a lot of similar posts on here, but I was able to increase my score from a 155 on my initial diagnostic to a 171 on my first LSAT with 2.5 months of 7sage, so I thought I’d share which strategies helped me the most. Figure this will be most useful for anyone else out there who speeds through tests and reading, as that was my biggest Achilles heel.

History – I decided to apply to law school over the summer, in early July, so I was already very under the gun in terms of timing. I mapped out the studying and application process and decided that I would need to take the October and November tests, and could maybe take the January test to help get off a waitlist. That left me exactly 3 months until the October test. The first thing I did was order the Kaplan LSAR Prep book and then take a diagnostic test – which was a 155. Like many people, Logic Games was my kryptonite – I think I truly finished the first 9 questions before time ran out and guessed on the rest. I started studying via Kaplan, and started to pick up on the games a bit, it sort of helped, but not enough. I took a second PT via lawhub and got another 155, and was not feeling great about the progress so far. Then I spoke to someone who recommended 7Sage. I’d already been thinking something interactive and digital would be more helpful, specifically for explanation videos and being able to pay attention to what I did wrong, and so the timing lined up perfectly. With 2.5 months to go, I started on the 7sage learning paths and started triaging what of the syllabus I would be able to cover in that time frame. I was studying about 20-30 hours per week, and so I figured I could do most of LG (since that was my weak point), pick and choose my way through LR, and do the RC one if necessary (ended up being very necessary, which I’ll get to later).

I started with, and probably spent the most time on, LG. I think with LG, it really just comes down to reps. You can’t shortcut that. The more games you do, the more you start to memorize the inferences you have to make, and I could literally catch myself remembering an inference from a similar type of game mid-section. However, I definitely have a bias for speeding through things – a theme throughout my LSAT studying. I had to learn to slow down – practice doesn’t make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. For me, that meant that I needed to stop and review each game (seems obvious but like I said I speed through things) and TRULY understand each inference, and make sure I understood each question (why the correct answer was right, and why the wrong answers were wrong). One thing I started doing towards the end was printing out 5 copies of each game I got a wrong answer on, and then completing them and reviewing each one in depth afterwards. This really helped, and if I could go back and do it again I would absolutely have done this from the beginning. I’d probably just start out printing out 1 star games early, move to 2 star games, 3 star, etc – and use this to supplement the syllabus work. This process allowed me to get to the point where I was consistently around -0, -1, 2. I truly learned to enjoy the LG section, and as weird as it sounds I think I’ll miss not doing those games every day. Sort of sad to see them go too.

Initially, I felt very solid around RC. It’s just reading right? But, like I said I have a tendency to speed through things. I eventually realized my scores were not improving, and I was anywhere from -6 to -9 on most PTs. That was when I dove into the RC syllabus, which absolutely helped change the way I looked at RC. But the biggest mindset shift for me was just slowing the hell down while I was reading. Shifting from finishing the passages in 1:30 to finishing in 3:30-5 minutes is what really helped. It felt like I was wasting valuable time that I could be spending returning to the passages to hunt for details and to rule out incorrect answers, but the scores just spoke for themselves. This way I was consistently able to get around -3, and there was just no arguing with results. I was better able to remember those details and where they could be found, and understand different perspectives and tones throughout. JY’s syllabus material about the low-res summaries helped a lot too – for me, when I first heard this, I started focusing too much on the detail of the passage in the low-res summaries, before shifting to focus on the argument format. Focusing on how the argument was structured helped me answer the questions around the main point and structure of the argument, and slowing down already helped a ton with finding the specific details. I also limited how much highlighting/underlining I was doing – I read somewhere online that sometimes we use marking up passages as a method of saying “I”ll come back to this later,” but when you’re reading a timed passage like this, you don’t have the time to do this. So I tried to focus on just reading, the only other thing I let myself do was write down the 1-2 word low-res summary. Also, RC is another area where reps matter a ton. I absolutely hated doing them everyday, but doing a few passages a day paid off. Doing entire sections at a time was too stressful to do daily for me, so I started doing one passage at a time (timed), and then 2 at a time, then 3 at a time. This got me much more comfortable with the timing (I would also time how long I spent on each passage just reading), and the volume helped me start to pick up on trends across passages. By the end, I was much more naturally acknowledging, as I read, changes in tone or who’s argument this paragraph’s is. I also think re-doing passages from PTs was a worthwhile exercise. I don’t think you can truly understand where you went wrong on an individual question unless you re-do the whole passage. Time consuming, but worth it.

LR was probably the section I spent the least amount of time on, to be frank. I used the syllabus to cover most of the question types (but didn’t really finish any of them after the first few). The biggest bump on LR for me came as a result of the changes I made in RC. Slowing down, and really engaging with each sentence of a passage made a world of a difference. Your work on RC and LR really aid with the other, so I guess the new LG-less LSAT will be at least a more focused study. I never struggled with time on LR like I did with RC and LG, and I found myself consciously forcing myself to slow down. When I realized how slow I could go, I started picking up on things I wouldn’t have otherwise picked up on, eliminating all 4 wrong answers (previously I’d speed through and eliminate 2-3 wrong answers and rush through, ending up with time remaining at the end). Reps were huge in LR for me too, just re-doing all of the PTs I did made a big difference. Like the rest of the test, there are trends in right answers and wrong answers they like to throw out. You really can’t beat just doing and re-doing hundreds and hundreds of questions.

As far as my testing methodology, I was extremely impatient and struggled with the blind review because I wanted to know my score so badly. Eventually I realized if I just looked at the score to satisfy that urge, I could then go set up each section as a drill and re-do it, and that was totally worth it. So, long way of saying blind review is great and totally works, I just needed to see the number, so I found a work around.

All in all, this is just what worked for me, I realize some of this may not provide much help to others. I think if you’re someone who naturally moves quickly through tests and has a tendency to skim while reading, this is probably more relevant to you than to anyone else. That’s the biggest moral of the story for me, forcing myself to slow down made a crazy big difference. Even if you don’t move too quick, the repetitions of the same games in LG will be helpful, that helped me speed up on some of the tougher games. So anyways, go slow, do a ton of reps, and review each wrong answer very carefully. And 7Sage is awesome. Hope that helps!

One last thing – don’t ignore the mental hurdles you go through. I bombed a PT 9 days before the October test and freaked out, felt like I was having a full blown panic attack. I realized I was studying way too much, specifically timed sections, and was just constantly stressed out. I took the next few days off, and didn’t do any more timed work before the test, and it turned out pretty well. So as much as you absolutely need to work hard and push yourself, when stress is really creeping in, take the time off. Do something fun and de-stress. I pushed myself HARD in those 2.5 months, and wouldn’t necessarily recommend it. My strategies were solid, but they would have been way better over 3-4 months instead.

PTC S3 Q20

Does someone have a good explanation as to why this answer is E? There is not an explanation video on this question, and I got this question wrong #help

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"INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY" in AC B is such a strong claim, I picked AC A bc the stimulus states that in previous decades the estimates are close to each other??

There should be an explanation video for this question. Makes no sense to me.

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I'm wondering, for those of you who have taken the latest PrepTest released by LSAC, #94, how you went about answering Question 8? I don't understand how the student can't take Geology and History in Semester 2? I'm probably messing up my Conditional Translations, and DeMorgan's Law somehow... Can someone help?

So I have a pretty nasty sinus infection/cold. I'm kind of freaking out about how this is going to affect me on test day on Friday since I can't really focus through fatigue and my symptoms. I took the LSAT in September and REALLY didn't get the target score I wanted. I'm planning on submitting my applications in December but if I do as bad on this one too then my plans are kind of messy because I would consider taking the January one but applying in January seems like a bad idea from all that I've seen, so November kind of feels like my last shot. Any thoughts? Please?

LSAC sucks.

I submitted my request for accommodations almost a month ago. LSAC's website says they'll get back to you within 8-10 business days but it may take longer... aka they can take however long they want. We all know best practice is to study and prep as close to how test day will be. But if I don't know if my request will be honored I can't prep. LSAC sucks. They don't gaf about accommodated students. They don't even respond to my emails.

There was a magical time a few weeks ago when I FINALLY got a 176 BR score and I thought I was finally starting to understand the test. My previous BR scores were capped at 165-168, timed 157-163 ish. I thought I would never break 170 and was so relieved when I finally cracked it with BR.

I'm taking the November test next weekend and I feel like I've been bombing each PT lately and running out of time of my best section (LG). I typically get 1-2 wrong on LG, and occasionally get 100% when I'm just doing a section drill. I'm definitely struggling with timing and panic-guessing when I feel as though I'm burning too much time on any one question.

Has anyone experienced wild fluctuations and have any tips on how to start getting stable scores?

I work full-time in BigLaw so there are days when I work OT (I literally just submitted my timesheet for 97 hours the the last 2 weeks), and so can only squeeze a section and some drills during the week. I would choose a PT for the week, take the sections individually each evening after work, BR/review the whole test on Friday, and then take a timed PT on Sat, review Sun.

I finally have time off this week leading up to the test -- what is the most high-impact thing I can do to improve and stop fluctuating so much?

I'm taking the lsat in-person next week and was wondering if anyone has any advice on what I should take aside from an ID?

Do i need to bring my own scrap paper and pencils or do they provide it?

I take my test on 11/8 & I find my anxiety consuming. I commented on a fellow 7sager trying to encourage them to not focus on the number. But oof... it's hard. I'm not going to even lie I envy the people who perform relatively well in the 160s range & think their score isn't good enough. I genuinely envy you guys. I also hate saying that. It sucks when you get back into the admissions cycle of anything because comparing yourself to others is detrimental, but that's also the entire point of admissions. I know those who are aiming for higher and also aiming for different schools and their goals may be different than mine, but it still just sucks to think about.

I'm not sure if anyone can relate. I'm really embarrassed about my score, but like I'm also not aiming for an Ivy either lol. Idk I'm sort of venting, but I feel like I don't see many of my middle of the pack people on here. So if you relate please join the discussion.

I'm trying to tell myself it'll be okay, but I put in so much damn work and to some I know they would think my # is terrible. LIKE I LITERALLY HAD A FRIEND CANCEL A SCORE I WISH I COULD GET! Good for them tho, they raised it on their next test, but still.

It's difficult for me to keep my insecurities & doubts in check, especially as someone who struggles to feel confident in my academic abilities. Even though I finished undergrad w Summa, I still sit here wondering and questioning if I schools will want me. It's so nerve-wracking. I just don't want to feel like I'm alone in this.

Prep Test A, Section 1, Question 4 is a flaw question with a Safety Inspector and a Biologist. Can anyone explain to me why C is wrong? Thank you :)

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I want to thank this wonderful site and staff for tagging along on this LSAT journey. I want to thank the entire staff for helping me achieve my dreams. Starting off with a 148 Diagnostic I was discouraged and inundated with Reddit wisdom establishing my ceiling as a 158 at best. I leave today knowing that there is no such ceiling.

Hi. I have been doing weakening questions on and off about a month and I just cannot seem to get the hang of it. I usually get like 50-60% right on any set I do. Sometimes I make the wrong jump in the answer choices and I would really appreciate some tips and tricks you guys use that have helped you.

I began my LSAT journey last year and ended up deciding on a gap year after a few months of studying because I wasn't hitting close to my goal. Took a break till around May 2023 and enrolled back in 7sage with the goal of getting a 171+ by November! Thankful for this program as it was the majority of what I used over my time studying. I am enrolled in November (did it as a backup) so I will probably be retaking again just to see what happens now that the pressure is off.

Huge thanks to @RaphaelP for the help cleaning up my RC... his methodology brought me down to -3 on test day which was fortunately enough for my score. Highly recommend him as a tutor!

For those of you that have questions about the LSAT feel free to PM me or leave them here... I am a pretty active member of this discussion board and would love to answer any questions.

I am not sure if i should cancel or not. the percentiles and score bands are very different. Has anyone here cancelled and had a good outcome?

Hello, I have been studying for a handful of months now after I rushed way too early last febuary and bombed the test with a 139 7 lower than my diagnostic.(I hate tests) I was aiming for this February to take it again in hopes that I could achieve a score in the mid 150s. Except it just seems that no matter what I do I cannot figure out this test. Lately I have been slowly going through the course and just drilling question types as many times as possible in hopes that I slowly start to develop strategies and then take another PT. Ive been told this is not hard to do multiple times from people but I just feel lost. Any advice or a breakdown of what your study schedule was I would appreciate. Mid 150s would get me into a decent law school :) but as of now Im basically just losing hope :/

Hello!

The title says it all, but I have been studying for about 10-15 hours / week on my own with 7Sage, The LSAT Trainer, and Loophole while working part-time for the past 5 months. I used to PT around 160-162 since August, but since moving to a new house in September, I started scoring below 150-155. On the October Test, I thought I did better on RC and LR than usual, but on LG, which was the last section, I completely panicked and had to guess half of them, whereas during PT's LG was my strongest section, where I missed 0 to 1 every time, and what kept me motivated. I know I could have put in more time and effort, and although I am not a super genius, I was pretty despaired and depressed to not see any increase at all (combined GPA is 3.94, graduated from top 10). The 150 score is highly making me doubt my aptitude in this field and question if I should continue studying or if it would be wise to give up now. Studying and practicing the law has always thrilled me, but I have often felt like I am not really the type of person for the LSAT. I thought about getting a tutor or attending a class, but am not in the right financial situation to be able to afford that..:/ If I should continue, should I cancel my score, or will that play against me? I would love any advice, as I am very stuck in making this decision. Thank you so much in advance!!

Hello,

I have studying for couple months now but I'm not seeing any improvement with LR. The most I can answer in that section is until question 17th. My score have been constantly 8/17 and 11/17 after BR based on just what I answered. I believe my review hasn't been effective. I do have a wrong answer journal and redo questions sometimes. Sometimes I get them right and sometime I get them wrong again. How can I review LR effectively and improve? Any advice pleasseeeeeeeeeee

Is it safe to say that on the LSAT we always have to accept the premises as true? When I do an LR section, I don't usually take the time to "attack" arguments and prephrase. I basically quickly glance at the question stem, read the argument (identifying the conclusion and evidence), and then, I go straight to the AC's. Maybe, I'm too obsessed with timing. Generally, I -6 on LR. Does anyone have any strategies, or suggestions?

Hey guys! So I started with a diagnostic of 147 and have managed to pull my PT's up to the 163 ish range currently. Do you think it is possible at all to score a 168 or 169 by the time I actually take the test on Nov. 9th? I am usually getting about 21/28 on RC, 20-21/25 on LR and 19/23 ish on LG depending on the test. I will keep a 163 or better, but I am trying to attend UGA and have heard that I really need a 169 or better to ensure I get in. Thanks!~