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I'm wondering to what extent something similar is possible in law school admissions?
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I'm wondering to what extent something similar is possible in law school admissions?
Scores aren't to be released for another 10 days, but I'm still getting emails from law schools that wanted nothing to do with me last cycle. Does LSAC release preliminary lists of test takers to law schools?
This question was akin to when you hear an argument so stupid you literally have no clue how to respond to it
That said I feel like B was super obvious intuitively, very tough though if you approach it mechanically
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I chose D because it was ironclad. smelled something fishy about B but couldn't put my finger on it. This explanation was masterful. Feel like my iq just went up
I'm wondering how other applicants who've been out of school for a while have addressed this section. The prompt is as follows:
"If it has been more than three months since you attended college, describe what you have been doing in the interval. You should include graduate or professional education, paid or unpaid employment, as well as any other activities that you consider relevant. Please answer this question separately from any information provided in a résumé."
The word "describe" suggests this can take a narrative form. Which is the approach I took, providing roughly half a page of single spaced paragraphs, describing my 6 years since graduation.
My concern is, there are portions where I describe why I changed jobs/roles/industries (instead of just saying "and then I started at...x"). For the most recent career move, I cite the reason being a desire to serve the public interest by practicing law, elaborating briefly on the process, saying that I took a few months to research career paths and meet with friends who work in prosecution, advocacy, and public policy before committing all my time and resources to LSAT and law school preparation
My concern is if that last bit would be out of place on this submission? Is it providing more that what is asked? Should it instead go into the personal statement?
It is technically describing how I spent my time, but it also elaborates on my thought process. I'm just hoping the latter isn't misplaced.
J.Y. summed it up perfectly in one of the intro LR lessons - the LSAT LR stimuli are terribly written. Not in the sense that they lack deliberate meaning, but in the fact that the meaning is impossibly worded and very difficult to discern.
I've been finding myself having to re-reard some of the stimuli 3-5 times to dissect the meaning, often being hard pressed for time towards the end of each section. This sharply contrasts with RC, where the passages are far more intelligible and I finish with plenty of time to spare.
So, I wanted to see if anyone has recommendations for authors that write in the similarly shitty style of the LSAC test writers? I think that reading overly verbose, awkward prose for meaning will help my speed on LR. However just like the LSAT the writing needs to be deliberate in intention and meaning (while still maintaining an awkward and generally shitty structure).
Recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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If the bridge disappeared before the first Clovis point was made/invented - how did the cache end up in Siberia?
Also - both A and B have the problem of saying "that have been found" so we can't eliminate either simply on those grounds
Splitter here. I'm trying to figure out whether to include an education addendum for low grades for schools that have already sent me a fee waiver. The reasons for the low grades are the kind of thing that could help to know in some cases (if my low GPA is the one reservation a school might have about admitting me, and they view the circumstances as ameliorating) or could hurt to know in others (if they really don't care that my GPA is below median, but the information in the addendum is perceived as damning).
So I guess I'm wondering - Do schools that send you a waiver have knowledge of your GPA and LSAT, or just your LSAT? In other words do they know you have less than perfect grades already, and invite you to apply in spite of it, or do they invite you to apply only with knowledge of your LSAT, and would be surprised by your low grades and want some kind of an explanation for them.
Thoughts are appreciated, thanks!
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for 22 - why would the author mention the timeframe unless it implied that such a timeframe is one in which biological adaptation can take place? For instance, if I tell you that if you go outside right now you'll get heat stroke (the thermometer is reading 110 degrees). Is the purpose of the parenthetical statement merely to state that the temperature is high? or to indicate a temperature at which you're likely to get heat stroke?
anyone else seeing this?
Remember the kid in your class who used to remind the teacher to hand out homework when she forgot?
That kid grew up and authored passage B
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didn't like 21. Picked B and changed to E in BR. While it was in the passage that left-to-right is explained by axis rotation, the passage was stating the views of physicists when it highlighted this, while the question is asking according to the passage what is the reason. The passage/author took no firm stance on what is or isn't - he simply described explanations offered by physicists.
The only view that the author/passage seemed to endorse was that in any explanation of a phenomenon the observer has to be taken into account, and based on the author's rationale mental constructs explain what the observer experiences. That makes a very strong case not for B but E
LSAC often traps test takers in RC MSS type questions using this very distinction between author's views and cited views, so I'm not sure why they broke their own rules here
I may just need to better understand the author's implicit endorsement of hypothesis 1/field of view. I feel like identifying that in the last paragraph is making a stretch
I didn't select D for 6 because I figured it's possible that in the 1960s the term "Color Field" wasn't yet used to describe his art. Thought that was one of LSAC's clever traps. but I guess if we said it today, and he was around, he would agree.
fool me once, LSAC, shame on you
however you've now fooled me like, 500 times, so shame on me
probably a stupid question - but on the LSAC LOR form, are the "phone number" and "Prefix" fields important?
I ask because I already sent the emails through the system but I didn't fill out the prefex (Dr.) or the phone number fields before sending. It's not letting me edit and resend, only delete and create new
Does this matter or is it totally inconsequential? Does a recommendation look suspect if it doesn't have a contact phone number?
For people who picked C, I can guess why because I did too. Here's why we were wrong:
My justification for C:
for C - if less food = less thorough cleaning, wouldn't that suggest that the amount of food is what determines how thoroughly a container must be cleaned?
even if we assume every container comes in contact with garbage juice, the mere fact that less food residue permits a less thorough cleaning indicates that its the amount of food residue, not germs, garbage juice, or kooties, that determine how thorough the container must be cleaned
Now, given that something determines the extent to which an action should be taken, does it mean it's the main reason to take an action? It does not
For instance, the reason for the cleaning could easily be to remove germs, or to prevent lawsuits, or to keep customers, but the amount of food residue determines how thoroughly the container needs to be cleaned.
If a car hits you while on a bike, the amount of protective gear you're wearing will determine the extent of your injuries (how thorough cleaning), but the main reason you have the injuries at all is because a car hit you, not because you were wearing light (less residue) protective gear.
Hi all - I'm currently working on the Yale application, wherein they recommend submitting a resume and limiting it to a single page. I'm wondering if others who have worked for 5 or more years after graduating college are having trouble limiting to one page, and if it's advisable to submit a two page resume? I've had 3 jobs post grad, 3 internships during school, a publication, and some misc. sports awards and other honors. Including everything on a single page would mean not putting much (or any) detail for each job position. As an alternative, does it make sense to exclude the internships? They were long ago, but still meaningful experiences. Also a portion of the application specifically asks for internship experience and other work completed during studies, maybe it's not necessary to include it in both places? In other words, the resume could be just for honors, awards and publications and the other parts of the application can cover work experience (both pre and post-grad)?
Would be great to hear how others have approached the resume. The application doesn't specify the exact components they expect to see in it
Thanks!
Hari
Hi Everyone,
I updated my foolproofing notebook for PT's 59-83. Did this a couple years ago with PT's 20-44, but have noticed more unusual games on the newer tests. My hunch is 7sage's foolproofing method and others like it effectively broke the curve on old tests with standard games, hence the higher occurrence of unusual games on newer tests.
In any case, if you have any tablet with stylus support that can run OneNote, this is a great way to take and retake the newer logic games for foolproofing. Also a good simulation for the digital LSAT*
Screenshots below:
(Black boxes only present to hide protected content; not present in actual notebook)
Please reach out to me if you'd like a soft copy of this digital workbook. I'll need you to confirm that you already have legal access to PT's 59-83 & PT 86.
This took a long time to put together. Accordingly while I'm not charging for it, any contribution is appreciated. Took a 3 month hiatus from my career to prep for the August LSAT, and the extra cash would certainly help.
Thanks,
Hari
*I do not recommend this as a standalone for LSATflex prep. I noticed the switching back and forth from scratch paper to a screen in front of you further stresses short-term memory and requires a lot of practice to adjust to.
I put 10 copies of each of the games from the Powerscore Re-challenge into a OneNote notebook (screenshotted from my kindle copy). It was incredibly useful for foolproofing. The table of contents has a mastery checklist and also has links to each of the games. Each game page also has a link to J.Y's explanation videos on the 7sage website.
You can view some screenshots here:
I want to share for those of you who have Onenote on a tablet pc. It allowed me to carry my logic games prep with me everywhere.
You can download the notebook here: https://nofile.io/f/6KngWJsexb6/Logic+Games+Foolproofing.zip
You'll just need to extract it into your onenote notebooks folder (C:\Users[username]\Documents\OneNote Notebooks)
Also, to avoid illegally distributing content I password protected the zipfile. If you would like to use it, please send me a note verifying you own the current edition of the Powerscore Logic Games Bible (or, all of the preptests in the 2nd screenshot) and I will send you the password to unlock the zip file.
Hope this helps some!
https://gould.usc.edu/students/journals/rlsj/issues/assets/docs/issue_18/Decline_to_State.pdf
The above paper takes the following stance: there are two reasons to check "prefer not to say" on an application. The first may strictly be a function of utility on the part of the applicant to increase their chances. The other reason is a fundamental disagreement with the presence of racial considerations in admissions.
The author presupposes the latter reason to be problematic, and the paper is essentially a guidance to educators and peers on how to address and re-educate such a "problematic" student.
Such a view is in my estimation utterly abhorrent. The position of the author is that an ideological preference for colorblindness is a defect to be corrected. As much as you/we may disagree with that perspective, the fact is that it does exist in law schools and among law school adcoms, to what degree obviously being variable.
Theoretically the safest bet is to check the box indicating your race, and if that happens to be white or asian, score the requisite additional points on the LSAT to compensate for whatever decrement your race affords.
It's an imperfect solution for an imperfect system. The silver lining is that you have sufficient reason to push yourself that much harder w/r to the LSAT, which can only benefit your faculties in the long run. That's something for which to be grateful in my view.
with flex I've been doing one a day and reviewing it without issue; no burnout or score dropoff. 1h:45m of cognitive effort even if intense shouldn't result in a degree of mental strain that 20 hours of rest/recovery cannot alleviate.
I'm wrestling with the idea of applying to Yale by Feb 28. I just took the LSAT 2 days ago. I think I did okay (my gut says it was between 13-15 misses or a 167, best case scenario maybe a 172). I had only recently committed myself to wanting to go to law school, which is why I missed the December LSAT and a number of the application cycles for schools that express concerns against testing in February. Fortunately Yale is not one of those schools; they accept Feb test scores without a stated penalty to the applicant's admission chances. Yale is the only top 5 law school to which this applies, and I also have legacy at Yale which I think may help my chances.
I'm 28 now, waiting a year and applying next winter would mean I start Law School when I'm 30. I also don't know what I would do with the extra year besides work and save. I'm currently in a career field somewhat unrelated to law (corporate finance), so I don't think an extra year of work experience would particularly bolster my application (I've already worked for 6 years since graduating college). So applying this year and starting in the fall (if I get in) makes a lot of sense...though there are some things I'm unsure of:
The deadline to apply for financial aid in March 15, though I imagine many students have already applied. does applying for aid this late reduce chances of receiving grants/scholarships?
Does an LSAT score of 170 realistically even qualify me for any aid at a school like Yale? Is the criteria for aid need based or merit based? Socioeconomically my family is UMC and I personally have non-liquid assets (homeowner's equity)
As mentioned Yale doesn't actually communicate a "penalty" for Feb LSAT test takers, does anyone have information to suggest this may not truly be the case?
Question about re-application...I obviously don't know my LSAT score yet, so in that sense I'm sort of applying "blind". It's entirely possible I screwed up more than I thought and my score is more like a 160, which would obviously seriously hurt my chances. Does re-applying to the same law school a year later put you at a disadvantage against students who are applying for the first time?
Any thoughts/insights are appreciated. If it makes sense to wait or if I should just go for it.
Thanks!
Hari
I took the test this morning in Irvine, California. An incident occurred that I suspect many test takers will file formal complaints regarding. I'm wondering if anyone has an idea what might happen with the test or the scores. Details are as follows:
A test taker showed up at roughly 8:40am, at this time the proctor had already started reading the instructions but the test had not begun. This test taker also brought a large handbag and a cell phone. The proctor told the test taker to place her bag at the front of the room, to which the test taker asked if she could keep it under her desk instead, the proctor correctly responded no. By this point, no mention was made of her visible cell phone, so I spoke up and told the test taker to turn off her cell phone immediately. The test taker turned to the proctor and asked if she could use her cell phone to keep time, the proctor correctly responded no. All of this to say, that there is no possible way the test taker read any of the rules before arriving, or she read them and willfully chose to disregard them. Which also means her signature on the test ticket wasn't a truthful agreement by any stretch. Despite all of this the proctor still registered the test taker and showed her to her seat.
The story doesn't end there
Halfway through section 1, the test taker broke into a violent coughing fit. These coughing fits proceeded intermittently every couple of minutes, and continued until the start of the second section. During the second section the proctor dismissed the test taker to the relief of the rest of us in the room.
During the break and after the test, several test takers communicated their intent to report the disturbance to LSAC, as the coughing fit was extremely distracting, also the proctor obviously violated a number of rules by still admitting the test taker. I'm wondering what has LSAC typically done during situations like this? Will they cancel scores by request without penalty? Will they call a "mistrial" and require a retest for everyone? Can I still keep my score if I want to?
I'm concerned because despite the disturbance I think I did okay, and I would like to keep my score and be done with testing.
If anyone has similar experience or knows what typically happens in cases like this, sharing your insights would be much appreciated.
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Thank you 7Sagers for the overwhelming positive response!
Tuesday 8/11 - PT 79 - Full
Saturday 8/15 - PT 80 - Full
Tuesday 8/18 - PT 88 - Full
Saturday 8/22 - PT 89 - Full
Hey folks, final update. We're all filled up but do still have one space open for tomorrow's BR session of PT 79. First person to DM me gets it! 😃
Tuesday 8/11 - PT 79 - 1 spot remaining
Saturday 8/15 - PT 80 - Full
Tuesday 8/18 - PT 88 - Full
Saturday 8/22 - PT 89 - Full
proper technique - passage B could easily be describing the totally wrong way to go about research. it just says what researchers did, not what they should do
Spaces are filling up fast, folks. Get it while it's hot!
Tuesday 8/11 - PT 79 - 2 spots remaining
Saturday 8/15 - PT 80 - Full
Tuesday 8/18 - PT 88 - Full
Saturday 8/22 - PT 89 - 3 spots remaining
also re. q16 choice E - effective enforcement is far weaker than ensuring compliance
Update on Availability:
Tuesday 8/11 - PT 79 - 2 spots remaining
Saturday 8/15 - PT 80 - 1 spot remaining
Tuesday 8/18 - PT 88 - Full
Saturday 8/22 - PT 89 - 3 spots remaining
Hi 7Sagers -
There have been a couple posts/discussions about forming study groups. To take a concrete step in that direction, I'm writing this post to inform the community that I will be holding blind review sessions on the following dates, for the following PT's, over google meets:
Tuesday 8/11 - PT 79
Saturday 8/15 - PT 80
Tuesday 8/18 - PT 88
Saturday 8/22 - PT 89
I'm taking the August flex - am averaging around 170 right now but really trying to get it consistently into the 172-174 range. Strongest section right now is LR, with really variable performance on RC and LG.
During my last swing at the LSAT 2 years ago I found group blind review tremendously helpful, as verbalizing rationale for correct/incorrect answer choices helped reinforce the right logical processes, while attempting to defend the wrong answers often allowed me to catch and self-correct my logical errors, or otherwise have them elucidated by other members.
The process for each session is one person will read out their selected answers to each question, any deviations among other members will be recorded, and each question with a deviation will be discussed. We'll also discuss any questions without deviations but that any one of the group members flagged with uncertainty.
Sessions will be at 3PM PDT. If you're interested, please send me a DM with your email address so I can add you to the calendar invite.
To keep the groups small enough to remain productive, I'll post here when any one of the sessions gets 3 sign-ups, at which point it will be closed. Accordingly, please only sign-up if you have a definite intention of joining.
Many thanks,
Hari
If we didn't like wordplay we wouldn't be in this racket
@ said:
Great question!
We ran numbers on a large sample actual student PrepTests. We pretended they did Flex by (A) skipping first LR section or (B) skipping second LR section, applied our Flex Score Convertor, and looked at the average difference in scores.
We found that the spread between the averages for A and B was small. Across the 95 PTs, the biggest spread was a 1.38 (PT 9), and 78 of the 95 PTs had spreads of less than 0.7. For reference, the standard error of the actual LSAT test is 2.6 (https://www.lsac.org/lsat/taking-lsat/lsat-scoring/lsat-score-bands).
That is why we chose the uniform rule of removing the second LR from each PT for Flex simulation. It keeps things simple, and the difference between A and B are small relative to the standard error of the test itself.
thanks for the super detailed explanation and numbers to back the rationale - super helpful and reassuring. You guys are on it!
Sorry if it's already been asked, but would be great to get some input from 7sage admins on how you guys selected which section to omit? I'm not expecting sophisticated methodology; not sure one would even be possible. I have found however that the two LR sections on tests aren't always equal in difficulty. I expect the single section on the flex will be of roughly balanced difficulty.
In your data have you guys noticed a higher number of question misses in one LR section of any given test over the other? I'm thinking that if significant differences exist on certain PT's, indicating that to students after they score their tests would be really helpful.
If for example on a certain PT a statistically easier section was the one retained and the difficult one omitted, that would be really critical information to students for gauging/predicting actual test day performance.
Just my two cents; feedback appreciated
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I switched to flex simulation the other day because, from what I've heard, we'll probably be taking a flex. Seems like more representative practice for the real thing. I can't imagine extra LR training would hurt, but if you're like me, your flex score is quite different from your normal score. I feel like practicing with a flex gives me a better idea of how I'll do on the real thing.
on most tests I find that one LR section is kind of hard and the other is kind of easy. Sometimes they're of equal difficulty, but not always. I'm not sure how 7sage determines which section to omit for flex purposes - but if they're picking at random that could be why your scores are different. Maybe one of the mods can chime in on methodology here?
I expect however that on the actual flex test they'll balance the difficulty of the one section that's included. For that reason I generally like to include both LR sections, as they theoretically should balance out in difficulty much like the flex section would - providing a roughly representative score.
(example, on a traditional test if on the hard LR section you get -4 and on the easy you get -2, on the actual flex test LR section you should get -3; assuming LSAC is doing their job in balancing the test for difficulty)
holy moly...the most astounding thing in this (at least to me) is -0 on your diagnostic for logic games. Without having been familiar with the methodologies you must either have an exceptionally high aptitude for drawing inferences, or insanely fast mental processing speed for brute force - perhaps even both.
Either way, amazing job. Sounds like you worked smart and worked consistently. Should hopefully inspire a lot of test takers; certainly inspiring to me.
Q16 required knowing that oxidation takes away metals' shine. I think knowing that is expecting a lot from test takers. It's a fact known by many but hardly general knowledge
edit: actually, synthesizing the information about chrome in the next passage enables answering this q correctly without that pre-existing knowledge. To JY's point though knowing about oxidation makes this question a lot easier.
Based on the correct answer to an RC question I just saw I'm wondering how to distinguish this from trap answers...
The question asks for the purpose of an introductory quote to a passage, to which the correct answer reads "[to] suggest that music that is at first seen as alienating need not seem alienating later"
The issue I'm having with this is that reading comprehension questions sometimes contain trap answers that go "beyond" the message of the passage, misconstruing or overextending the message beyond what the author intended.
This looked like one of those typical trap answers. Nowhere in the passage does the author suggest the work of either composer was ever considered alienating. Disturbing, shrill, incoherent, and dissonant were all used to describe the works of the two composers, none of these or other descriptive elements in the passage seem to equate to the concept of alienation in music.
In ambiguous cases like this, how do we distinguish a right answer from to a trap answer that is drawing a false equivalency or overextending the author's prose?
I'm rounding off my prep before this Saturday's LSAT, it would be great if someone could lend some guidance before then
Thanks in advance!
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J.Y. - I think you need to further qualify your explanation here. This recommendation is based on my meta-observations of strengthen questions involving scientific studies.
The justification for A is not that it affirms a control, the justification for A is that it corrects the fatal flaw in the design of the study. In fact, if you look for answers that affirm controls in questions like this, you can very easily pick the wrong answer - there are at least 2 other answer choices here that affirm controls in the study.
Typically these sorts of questions will have a fatal flaw w/r to their experimental design if just taking the info from the stim. Here that flaw was the implicitly stated uncertainty w/r to the application of the IV (Independent Variable) - that breakfast may not necessarily be absent from group B
There was a similar question involving measuring nitrogen levels from bear bones in one experimental group for species A and comparing those with nitrogen levels in bear blood for species B; and trying to make a conclusion about differences between species A and B based on those nitrogen concentrations - again the fatal flaw being a potentially asymmetrical application of the IV (are nitrogen levels consistent between blood and bone of any single bear? - the correct answer affirmed that)
The correct answer choice will almost always correct a flaw or provide a necessary assumption for the conclusion of the experiment. This is not the same as affirming a control; it goes further.
Why affirming controls don't necessarily strengthen:
There are theoretically an infinite number of ways to affirm controls in a study and the stim cannot reasonably cover all of them, so each one really only provides weak support/strengthening. If you really think about it, when we read the stim we essentially make gigantic assumptions regarding experimental controls - we assume there were no asymmetrical equipment upgrades at the plants, we assume that there weren't any major personnel changes at one plant that would increase or decrease average productivity as a function of basic arithmetic, we assume that the plants were equally free of contagious illnesses or other environmental conditions that may impact worker productivity, etc. There is an exception where if a missing control is the fatal flaw in a question of this nature, that control or the potential for asymmetry w/r to its conceptual basis will be highlighted in the stim, and the correct answer will correct that asymmetry.
In other words, unless a control is specifically mentioned in the stim, we take all other unmentioned controls to be assumed, and the conclusion of the study as being qualified with the "all other things being equal" to reflect these sufficient controls. Control-affirming answer choices are therefore tantamount to restating a premise*
For example, the same time of day choice for instance (B), in the most scientific terms, is affirming a control. If this was an actual study, that factor would need to be in place for the study's results to carry weight and get past peer review; productivity can vary based on time of day - especially if a nutritious breakfast is the IV.
Answer choice C similarly affirms a control w/r to adequate sample group selection; how hard it is to raise productivity is heavily impacted by how productive a plant is to begin with. If A was extremely substandard and B already close to optimal, it would clearly be much easier for confounding factors to produce an increase in productivity at A that could erroneously be attributed to the independent variable (introduction of breakfast), and B sees no increase because because it gets marginally more difficult to improve productivity the more productive you already are
However, neither of these correct the fatal flaw in the study which is a potentially inadequate application of the IV. A flaw is introduced in the stim - that flaw is that one group is being provided a nutritious breakfast, and another group is not; however this fails to address the extremely high likelihood of a moderate to high proportion of workers in Plant B eating their own nutritious breakfasts. Answer choice A addresses and corrects that fatal flaw.
if you negate answer choice B, the study may still hold water (Group A starts work at 8, Group B at 8:01),
if you negate answer choice C the study may still hold water (Group A and Group had a productivity variance between 0.5-1.0% in the prior month)
if you negate A (Almost all workers in B consumed their own breakfast), it completely wrecks the study
In the bear blood question, if the nitrogen levels between the blood and bone of a bear vary, no conclusion can be drawn inter-species, similarly destroying the study's credibility.
Hope this makes sense. My main concern was STEM graduates may here this and attack these questions on the basis of affirming controls based on their scientific interpretation of that concept.
Thanks for reading!
Hari
*It's important to note that In a weaken question involving a scientific study, the right answer may undermine one of our assumptions around controls, whether or not that control was introduced in the stimulus.