i dont know why i have such a hard time reading these questions. i feel like i keep making mistakes because i forget halfway through that i am supposed to be weakening the argument and i look for an answer that strengthens it. so frustrating
You can't compare two completely different groups and derive a common conclusion for both groups. One group stretches, the other doesn't, and there were no injuries in both groups. Answer choice D calls out that difference between the groups (stretching). It's not that stretching doesn't do anything to prevent injuries, but it's the fact the stretching itself prevented one of the groups from showing any injuries that would have occurred without stretching.
The stimulus says that they have equal amounts of injuries, therefore stretching must not help mitigate injury. But the more a jogger is prone to injury the more likely they are to stretch. So, if you're prone to injury you stretch, which results in getting injured the same amount in comparison to someone who is not prone and not stretching. You've just proven the effectiveness of stretching.
Really felt like C was right and i now realize i made the fatal flaw of thinking an alternative hypothesis would just automatically be the right answer but i see now that it doesn't really change the conclusion of the study so in effect it would strengthen the argument. These questions are definitely some of my worst really need to drill these
I really wish he would talk less and be more efficient. He adds so many unnecessary comments that really bother me. I just want short, adequate and pure sentences. 18 minutes to explain this, is a waste of time. And this is for almost 95% of his videos. I don't have that extra time to hear his jokes or personal comments. And I can't get over how many times he repeats himself. He might think that repeating will help us remember the things better, but no. It's a video! For people who wants repetition, the can replay anytime they want.
Mm... I actually really appreciated this video's explanations. Weaken questions are my vulnerability. I also found this particular exercise really puzzling, so I watched the entire video. If I notice that the question explained is easy or my intuitions are sharp enough, I skip the video. You should do that!
You're going to wait a very long time, because your causal chain is backwards, i.e., only questions that are answered incorrectly are marked "High Priority".
Wowwwww, I came back to this explanation 3 months after, to give it a second chance, and NOW I GET IT. Sometimes, letting a question sit for a while helps!!!
This is what clicked for me, in case it's helpful to anyone:
What's important of answer choice D is the "more prone to injuries" part. It may be helpful to re-write this answer choice in dif ways, but meeting the same function, so let's do it:
Original answer choice: "The more prone a jogger is to jogging injuries, the more likely he or she is to develop the habit of performing stretches before jogging."
Easier, more intuitive versions of it:
"the first group is more prone to injuries." [that would do it, right?]
"the second group is amateur and therefore their training is less intense or less competitive"
"the first group are all 65 years old or older."
"the second group trains in a safer environment", etc.
the important thing is that individuals from the first group all suffer more injuries to begin with.
If it is true that those who usually stretch before jogging tend to due so BECAUSE they are prone to injuries, then it is irrelevant that the 2 groups had the same amount of injuries, because the "stretching group" already were more prone to injuries in the first place, so it's not an ideal experiment between RANDOMIZED groups. Hope this helps!
but if they are already prone to injuries which leads them to stretching more, it never says that this helps at all. what if its just a mental thing that makes them feel better, so how is that weakening the idea that stretching does not prevent injuries?
i got it wrong on actual attempt as well as blind review. i am gonna have to come back to this later a few times to review and remember how i got tricked twice
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I fumbled this question
you should've stretched
this hurt my brain...time to go stretch
im so confused bro I didn't even consider that answer as being remotely valid
i dont know why i have such a hard time reading these questions. i feel like i keep making mistakes because i forget halfway through that i am supposed to be weakening the argument and i look for an answer that strengthens it. so frustrating
nothing hurts more than watching a review of your answer choice and hearing him say "this answer is wrong for sooo many ways" lmaooo
my jaw dropped when I saw the correct answer was D
Mine too!
Am I allowed to curse on here?... This shit makes no fucking sense <3
You can't compare two completely different groups and derive a common conclusion for both groups. One group stretches, the other doesn't, and there were no injuries in both groups. Answer choice D calls out that difference between the groups (stretching). It's not that stretching doesn't do anything to prevent injuries, but it's the fact the stretching itself prevented one of the groups from showing any injuries that would have occurred without stretching.
i hate this test with a passion
@ramrob2k12 still haven't seen how this test will make me a better lawyer
The stimulus says that they have equal amounts of injuries, therefore stretching must not help mitigate injury. But the more a jogger is prone to injury the more likely they are to stretch. So, if you're prone to injury you stretch, which results in getting injured the same amount in comparison to someone who is not prone and not stretching. You've just proven the effectiveness of stretching.
this is great, thank you! I got it right but I didnt fully understand why it was right
This feels like a bad joke
This whole section is stretching my logic
Wow this question was really hard for me. First time I got both regular and BR wrong
This is my worst question type by far. Imma get it tho 😭
took me over 1 hour to comprehend this one and like I still don't really.
@joanna47 I almost attempted to explain how I got D to someone in the comments and I couldn't even understand how I got D 😭.
Really felt like C was right and i now realize i made the fatal flaw of thinking an alternative hypothesis would just automatically be the right answer but i see now that it doesn't really change the conclusion of the study so in effect it would strengthen the argument. These questions are definitely some of my worst really need to drill these
I also chose C because it felt like a reasonable alternative.
I really wish he would talk less and be more efficient. He adds so many unnecessary comments that really bother me. I just want short, adequate and pure sentences. 18 minutes to explain this, is a waste of time. And this is for almost 95% of his videos. I don't have that extra time to hear his jokes or personal comments. And I can't get over how many times he repeats himself. He might think that repeating will help us remember the things better, but no. It's a video! For people who wants repetition, the can replay anytime they want.
Mm... I actually really appreciated this video's explanations. Weaken questions are my vulnerability. I also found this particular exercise really puzzling, so I watched the entire video. If I notice that the question explained is easy or my intuitions are sharp enough, I skip the video. You should do that!
i feel like a big stupid idiot. that's all, thank you.
word :S
Id say IM the bigger, stupider, idiot.
there’s room for us all apparently 😪 we got this babes
I'm just waiting for the day I answer one of these high priority questions right.
You're going to wait a very long time, because your causal chain is backwards, i.e., only questions that are answered incorrectly are marked "High Priority".
these are so hard ):
i am irritated. (i picked c)
Wowwwww, I came back to this explanation 3 months after, to give it a second chance, and NOW I GET IT. Sometimes, letting a question sit for a while helps!!!
This is what clicked for me, in case it's helpful to anyone:
What's important of answer choice D is the "more prone to injuries" part. It may be helpful to re-write this answer choice in dif ways, but meeting the same function, so let's do it:
Original answer choice: "The more prone a jogger is to jogging injuries, the more likely he or she is to develop the habit of performing stretches before jogging."
Easier, more intuitive versions of it:
"the first group is more prone to injuries." [that would do it, right?]
"the second group is amateur and therefore their training is less intense or less competitive"
"the first group are all 65 years old or older."
"the second group trains in a safer environment", etc.
the important thing is that individuals from the first group all suffer more injuries to begin with.
I dont understand this one at all
If it is true that those who usually stretch before jogging tend to due so BECAUSE they are prone to injuries, then it is irrelevant that the 2 groups had the same amount of injuries, because the "stretching group" already were more prone to injuries in the first place, so it's not an ideal experiment between RANDOMIZED groups. Hope this helps!
but if they are already prone to injuries which leads them to stretching more, it never says that this helps at all. what if its just a mental thing that makes them feel better, so how is that weakening the idea that stretching does not prevent injuries?
i got it wrong on actual attempt as well as blind review. i am gonna have to come back to this later a few times to review and remember how i got tricked twice
:( I chose C
@amara C is temping but strengthens the argument (it wouldn't matter anyways) instead of weaken it
Is it common to do well with strengthen questions but struggle with weaken questions?? What misunderstanding could be the root of this issue?