I'm going to be 100% honest, I used chat GPT to help me understand this better Lol.. and it truly did help. I got it right in BR, wrong first attempt. I understood the stimulus, it's the AC's that were throwing me completely off.
maybe this is me trying to cope but the only reason I got this one wrong was because, for some reason, in the middle of reading the answer choices, my brain switched to "you're finding a strengthener", chose C, and I just ran with it like ohhhhh brotherrrr
is it reasonable to assume that every time a stim describing an experiment does not state, "the participants were assigned into two groups" that the participants self-selected?
i dont know why i have such a hard time reading these questions. i feel like i keep making mistakes because i forget halfway through that i am supposed to be weakening the argument and i look for an answer that strengthens it. so frustrating
Isn't D really really weak? For it to actually do anything to the argument, we have to assume that the proportion of jogging injuries in the population is not insignificant — because if it WERE insignificant, then the number of injury-prone joggers who self-selected into Group 1 would also be insignificant. But this is a pretty big assumption.
D would be much stronger if the relationship was reversed — "the more likely a jogger is to develop the habit of performing stretches before jogging, the more prone they are to jogging injuries." Were this to be the case, there would be much more reason to suppose that Group 1 is composed of, to a significant degree, injury-prone joggers.
I guess D is still the best answer out of a crop of bad answer choices. But to me it seems only just barely. Am I overthinking this?
Flaw here: I thought it was "so stretching reduces only the severity of your injuries and not the likelihood of injury"
Instead the flaw was "Ppl who stretch are more injury prone. stretching does reduce the likelihood of injury. it does it to the point where ppl who stretch have reduced their injury likelihood to the point where they now have reached the same likelihood of injury as non-stretchers."
The latter is probably easier to do than the former; rather than refuse the idea that stretching reduces injury, see how it still potentially could be true. Another flaw I want to be more aware of is the idea of "change in vs. rate".
The stimulus says that they have equal amounts of injuries, therefore stretching must not help mitigate injury. But the more a jogger is prone to injury the more likely they are to stretch. So, if you're prone to injury you stretch, which results in getting injured the same amount in comparison to someone who is not prone and not stretching. You've just proven the effectiveness of stretching.
Wowwwww, I came back to this explanation 3 months after, to give it a second chance, and NOW I GET IT. Sometimes, letting a question sit for a while helps!!!
This is what clicked for me, in case it's helpful to anyone:
What's important of answer choice D is the "more prone to injuries" part. It may be helpful to re-write this answer choice in dif ways, but meeting the same function, so let's do it:
Original answer choice: "The more prone a jogger is to jogging injuries, the more likely he or she is to develop the habit of performing stretches before jogging."
Easier, more intuitive versions of it:
"the first group is more prone to injuries." [that would do it, right?]
"the second group is amateur and therefore their training is less intense or less competitive"
"the first group are all 65 years old or older."
"the second group trains in a safer environment", etc.
the important thing is that individuals from the first group all suffer more injuries to begin with.
How does answer (D) serve to weaken the argument? The way I read the question and the explanation seems like it would strengthen the medical researcher's hypothesis?
anyone else keep getting the question wrong the first time and then then right during the blind review :( my anxiety gets so high looking and thinking of the time ticker going down i feel like i cant comprehend fast enough
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:( I chose C
I'm going to be 100% honest, I used chat GPT to help me understand this better Lol.. and it truly did help. I got it right in BR, wrong first attempt. I understood the stimulus, it's the AC's that were throwing me completely off.
At least my stem background helps with these questions
Wow this question was really hard for me. First time I got both regular and BR wrong
maybe this is me trying to cope but the only reason I got this one wrong was because, for some reason, in the middle of reading the answer choices, my brain switched to "you're finding a strengthener", chose C, and I just ran with it like ohhhhh brotherrrr
Fun Question. Not too bad.
This feels like a bad joke
i got it right through process of elimination
i hate this test with a passion
I had the biggest "OHHHHHH'" moment at time 3:18. Like how did I miss that.
is it reasonable to assume that every time a stim describing an experiment does not state, "the participants were assigned into two groups" that the participants self-selected?
i dont know why i have such a hard time reading these questions. i feel like i keep making mistakes because i forget halfway through that i am supposed to be weakening the argument and i look for an answer that strengthens it. so frustrating
Could someone please share their process for answering questions like this?
Isn't D really really weak? For it to actually do anything to the argument, we have to assume that the proportion of jogging injuries in the population is not insignificant — because if it WERE insignificant, then the number of injury-prone joggers who self-selected into Group 1 would also be insignificant. But this is a pretty big assumption.
D would be much stronger if the relationship was reversed — "the more likely a jogger is to develop the habit of performing stretches before jogging, the more prone they are to jogging injuries." Were this to be the case, there would be much more reason to suppose that Group 1 is composed of, to a significant degree, injury-prone joggers.
I guess D is still the best answer out of a crop of bad answer choices. But to me it seems only just barely. Am I overthinking this?
im so confused bro I didn't even consider that answer as being remotely valid
Flaw here: I thought it was "so stretching reduces only the severity of your injuries and not the likelihood of injury"
Instead the flaw was "Ppl who stretch are more injury prone. stretching does reduce the likelihood of injury. it does it to the point where ppl who stretch have reduced their injury likelihood to the point where they now have reached the same likelihood of injury as non-stretchers."
The latter is probably easier to do than the former; rather than refuse the idea that stretching reduces injury, see how it still potentially could be true. Another flaw I want to be more aware of is the idea of "change in vs. rate".
I had the right answer, and I talked myself out of it. sigh
took me over 1 hour to comprehend this one and like I still don't really.
The stimulus says that they have equal amounts of injuries, therefore stretching must not help mitigate injury. But the more a jogger is prone to injury the more likely they are to stretch. So, if you're prone to injury you stretch, which results in getting injured the same amount in comparison to someone who is not prone and not stretching. You've just proven the effectiveness of stretching.
Wowwwww, I came back to this explanation 3 months after, to give it a second chance, and NOW I GET IT. Sometimes, letting a question sit for a while helps!!!
This is what clicked for me, in case it's helpful to anyone:
What's important of answer choice D is the "more prone to injuries" part. It may be helpful to re-write this answer choice in dif ways, but meeting the same function, so let's do it:
Original answer choice: "The more prone a jogger is to jogging injuries, the more likely he or she is to develop the habit of performing stretches before jogging."
Easier, more intuitive versions of it:
"the first group is more prone to injuries." [that would do it, right?]
"the second group is amateur and therefore their training is less intense or less competitive"
"the first group are all 65 years old or older."
"the second group trains in a safer environment", etc.
the important thing is that individuals from the first group all suffer more injuries to begin with.
Finally a level 5 right!
How does answer (D) serve to weaken the argument? The way I read the question and the explanation seems like it would strengthen the medical researcher's hypothesis?
anyone else keep getting the question wrong the first time and then then right during the blind review :( my anxiety gets so high looking and thinking of the time ticker going down i feel like i cant comprehend fast enough
Is it common to do well with strengthen questions but struggle with weaken questions?? What misunderstanding could be the root of this issue?
Why do I love answer choice C so much?