I got it right in BR after a while but still didn't fully understand it. I get it after the fact but if someone could break it down like for a child that would be great.
got the question right! but these types of strengthen questions look really really similar to both MBT + MSS. Does anyone have any tips on distinguishing these? Or can someone redirect me to a lesson I may have missed if we already went through this?
how do you know when you should diagram? I saw the indicators without and cannot and immediately tried to diagram which made the question 10x harder for me
@rydlerjune For me, the sign for diagramming is when the stim is either fairly simple with lots of conditional logic or is fairly abstract
Most of the time, conditional logic is intuitive, but in weird questions where you see a lot of "only if" "unless" "every" etc., it might be helpful to diagram
just because you come across a conditional logic "trigger" word, that doesn't necessarily mean you should jump straight into diagramming. At the end of the day, the test uses the English language where "only" can mean multiple things in different contexts
Another principle that is assumed by the stimulus is that as long as there is a defedent who can't have their right to have their legal counsel present when being questions guaranteed, then the order requested by the plaintiff cannot be granted. (since there are three codefendants and only two shared the same lawyer)
and
when granting an order would violate a right, then the judge shall not grant that order
@Lidiia definitely a bug. Sometimes when you reload it doesn't capture the time spent correctly. IK questions I spent a solid 2 minutes on and it said I spend 30 seconds lol
I thought B was a given because it is true in the "real world" and not just in this stimulus which is exactly why I didn't choose it because I thought it was too obvious. How can I differentiate between assumptions I am personally making and assumptions that I am making based on the stimulus?
@SophiaWood I understand that you were thinking that (B) is already something true. When that happens, I might examine the stimulus to see whether that actually was something already stated by the premises. Very likely it wasn't, and the reason we thought it was already true is that we were bringing our own unwarranted assumption.
This can happen quite often in some other question types, especially Necessary Assumption. We look at an answer and think "that was already established..." But when we think that, it's often a sign that this could be the right answer. Often, it actually wasn't already established, but our minds just filled in the gaps while reading the stimulus and we perceived it as already being established.
How do you know when you are encountering a principle/rule in the stimulus? Is it because the stimulus provided sets of facts that don't support each other and then a conclusion?
@AnistiBarrett I usually look for the question stem for direction. In principle or rule they're painting a picture for you; you would need to see what are the premises and facts trying to tell you.
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Honestly it took me so long bc the stim threw at you some useless info as distraction (i.e., the "sharing the same lawyer" part).
Am i getting better at this? Felt like this should have been a 1 star.
took me a minute to get it, but I think this question type is basically a "if true" idea
I got it right in BR after a while but still didn't fully understand it. I get it after the fact but if someone could break it down like for a child that would be great.
got the question right! but these types of strengthen questions look really really similar to both MBT + MSS. Does anyone have any tips on distinguishing these? Or can someone redirect me to a lesson I may have missed if we already went through this?
Overthought this one big time. I am embarrassed it took me this long.
Umm did the format just change out of nowhere for yall?
@SwagOD Yes, it's because LSAT changed their format starting with the August LSAT
how do you know when you should diagram? I saw the indicators without and cannot and immediately tried to diagram which made the question 10x harder for me
@rydlerjune For me, the sign for diagramming is when the stim is either fairly simple with lots of conditional logic or is fairly abstract
Most of the time, conditional logic is intuitive, but in weird questions where you see a lot of "only if" "unless" "every" etc., it might be helpful to diagram
just because you come across a conditional logic "trigger" word, that doesn't necessarily mean you should jump straight into diagramming. At the end of the day, the test uses the English language where "only" can mean multiple things in different contexts
@LaneyWilliams thank you!!
Another principle that is assumed by the stimulus is that as long as there is a defedent who can't have their right to have their legal counsel present when being questions guaranteed, then the order requested by the plaintiff cannot be granted. (since there are three codefendants and only two shared the same lawyer)
and
when granting an order would violate a right, then the judge shall not grant that order
Its crazy how sometimes the "harder" questions are way easier than the "easier" questions...Hope this means I am learning.
Is the 'or' here inclusive?
I am quickly learning that oftentimes the most obvious answer is the correct answer.
@Lidiia definitely a bug. Sometimes when you reload it doesn't capture the time spent correctly. IK questions I spent a solid 2 minutes on and it said I spend 30 seconds lol
YAYAYA I got it right:)
Surprisingly got this in 52 seconds … hoping the rest of the lesson is like this lol
I got it right heheh- took me 5 minutes ...
This is a 3 star question? This took me way too long
@MRod
Right there with ya. Honestly, I found the wording confusing.
I thought B was a given because it is true in the "real world" and not just in this stimulus which is exactly why I didn't choose it because I thought it was too obvious. How can I differentiate between assumptions I am personally making and assumptions that I am making based on the stimulus?
@SophiaWood I understand that you were thinking that (B) is already something true. When that happens, I might examine the stimulus to see whether that actually was something already stated by the premises. Very likely it wasn't, and the reason we thought it was already true is that we were bringing our own unwarranted assumption.
This can happen quite often in some other question types, especially Necessary Assumption. We look at an answer and think "that was already established..." But when we think that, it's often a sign that this could be the right answer. Often, it actually wasn't already established, but our minds just filled in the gaps while reading the stimulus and we perceived it as already being established.
@Kevin_Lin I had the same issue and your response was helpful, thank you!
bruh why did it take me 5 mins to get this right. im so slow
why am i so dumb choosing E... haha after BR and reviewing more carefully its so obvious it was B
Timing is Getting Way Better. Right Answer No Second Guessing 52 Seconds Under Target Time!
How do you know when you are encountering a principle/rule in the stimulus? Is it because the stimulus provided sets of facts that don't support each other and then a conclusion?
@AnistiBarrett I usually look for the question stem for direction. In principle or rule they're painting a picture for you; you would need to see what are the premises and facts trying to tell you.
I got it right but I was 55 seconds over again!
This is giving LG
just did this question in the last drill from the section prior