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7sage is ripping us off. If you want to kill the LSAT, all you need is practice. Nothing will save your rear-end other than practice. When you pay the big bucks for 7sage and start watching their videos, you are losing very valuable practice opportunity – the chance to dig deep and truly figure out what went wrong on your own. There is a huge different between someone explaining the question to you and you figuring it out on your own. 7sage will not write your exam, you will.
Trust me, cancel your subscription now and relay on yourself. You will see a huge improvement. Don't give up and handout your money to 7sage, so they can do the work for you. You have to do it, because you will be on your own during the exam.
This is how I killed the LSAT. DO NOT SEEK HELP FROM ANYONE. Doesn't matter how long it will take, figure it out on your own.
Good Luck All.
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@afnjkfbefee306 said:
@juliet7sage said:
@ashleytien240 said:
@juliet7sage said:
We value constructive criticism because that's how we improve. Since I don't see any suggestions for improvement in the original post, I am "sinking" this discussion for now. This just means that new replies won't bump it up to the top of the Discussions.
Translation: Since we are worried about our revenue, we will censor any opinion that could put our revenue in jeopardy. Keep sucking at LSAT 7Sagers, we love you.
OP has been banned for violating Rule #1(Be nice. Behind the screen is a person reading what you write to them.)
OMG what a disaster. It's over, It's over. Well, guess what, I am the LSAT killer. I don't need your useless services. This shows how democracy is dying in our country. This is the communism that our fathers fought hard against. Here it is.
Rule #1 translation : Say what we want to hear or get the hell out of here.
Shows how democracy is dying in our country. I can say whatever I want. if you don't like it get the hell off the internet.
You're pathetic btw you idiot my professor recommended cooley law because he graduated from there. And its sad how you made a whole another account just to express how much you dont like 7 sage. Please seek help and I hope Juliet bans you again... Have a good night
I love 7sage! I love JY's courses! I love this community! I love everything here. This is a great community in the world and we support each other! We help each other! I wish I could find 7sage early. Before I took other LSAT preparation course for two times and it did not help me anything. I wasted so much time and so much money. Other LSAT preparation courses are over $1200 or more for only three months. 7sage is really affordable for everyone when you compare 7sage’s fee with any other LSAT preparation courses. I do not think 7sage makes any money as well. I doubt that 7 sage might lose the money. I do not think other LSAT preparation course will give the students for scholarship. So far I knew 7sage have given the students for two times’ scholarship since last year. This year the scholarship’s results do not come out yet.
Before COVID-19, when the newest PT was released from LSAC, JY always gave us PT’s sessions –LR and RC and LG. In his sessions he voluntarily taught us PT from 6:30pm or 6pm (ET) until midnight or 1am (ET) for two or three weeks. He answered all of our questions in his sessions and it was free! He never got paid!
You might not know JY voluntarily had taught us Logical Reasoning for 5 months in 2020 and recorded these courses as Mini Courses. He always taught us from 7pm to midnight (ET) in these Mini courses. It was free for us to take these courses! Right now you can find these Mini courses in YouTube as well. It is free for everyone! JY NEVER GETS PAID EITHER! Plus before it was free for everyone to use JY's LG vedioes! Too many things... I can not write them all here.
I wanted to give up many times for LSAT before. But I thought how JY helped us to improve LSAT scores and to understand every question in his secessions and Mini courses, I told myself “NO, Never give up”. I know it is easy to say but it is hard to do it. Especially for me work full time and study part time. When I had an incident from Feb to March this year, it is JY and 7sage to help me and make me keep studying LSAT! I do not think other preparation courses will do these great things for us. JY and 7sage sacrifice their time, energy, effort to help us in order to get the highest LSAT scores. What do they get? 7sage is the best LSAT preparation course in the world! I do not need to approve or show you what 7sage courses’ qualities are. Too many students told you about it here.
JY and 7 sage team have been working in 7Sage for years! What they did /do/ will do, you know nothing! You want to become an attorney. Please do the researching or investigation first before you want to say anything here. Researching and investigation are the basic skills for a law student or attorney to know/use it!
Again, I love 7sage! I love JY and 7sage team! I love this community here! Thank you for everything that JY and 7sage team give me here. I will keep going study LSAT!
Having taken a cursory glance at the US Constitution, as well as a number of constitutional law classes, I would argue that democratic values of freedom of speech do not mean “say whatever you want without consequence.” The US Constitution prevents the government from restricting speech under certain circumstances. It does not govern private action. For example, if you’re at my house and say your favorite color is blue, I am within my rights to tell you I hate blue and to remove you from my property over your statement. There are various statutes preventing some forms of this, but as far as your Constitutional “rights” go, you are representing a layman’s understanding of the nature of American democracy. Democracy seeks to prevent government interference in private affairs; it does not guarantee the right to do/say anything you want in any context without consequences.
Regardless of questions over your right to do what you want, far more saddening to me is what it is you want. It seems that what you want is to denigrate a community of people working hard to better themselves. Of course, many 7Sagers, like many studying for the LSAT with other/no resources, are not doing the necessary work to achieve their goals. That is not unique to this community. It is an inevitable quality you will find in any group setting. I don’t think anyone would argue with you on that. But you’ve now spent days arguing online with a large group of diverse strangers that your insights and wisdom into the utility of an online test prep company is superior to theirs, collectively and individually. I think we can all appreciate and welcome a different perspective. But to insist and rage that anyone disagreeing with you is ignorant is the height of arrogance, not to mention antithetical to democratic principles. I hope you find something more meaningful to do with your time, and I wish you the best in law school.
@juliet7sage said:
@ashleytien240 said:
@juliet7sage said:
We value constructive criticism because that's how we improve. Since I don't see any suggestions for improvement in the original post, I am "sinking" this discussion for now. This just means that new replies won't bump it up to the top of the Discussions.
Translation: Since we are worried about our revenue, we will censor any opinion that could put our revenue in jeopardy. Keep sucking at LSAT 7Sagers, we love you.
OP has been banned for violating Rule #1(Be nice. Behind the screen is a person reading what you write to them.)
OMG what a disaster. It's over, It's over. Well, guess what, I am the LSAT killer. I don't need your useless services. This shows how democracy is dying in our country. This is the communism that our fathers fought hard against. Here it is.
Rule #1 translation : Say what we want to hear or get the hell out of here.
Shows how democracy is dying in our country. I can say whatever I want. if you don't like it get the hell off the internet.
@ashleytien240 said:
@juliet7sage said:
We value constructive criticism because that's how we improve. Since I don't see any suggestions for improvement in the original post, I am "sinking" this discussion for now. This just means that new replies won't bump it up to the top of the Discussions.
Translation: Since we are worried about our revenue, we will censor any opinion that could put our revenue in jeopardy. Keep sucking at LSAT 7Sagers, we love you.
OP has been banned for violating Rule #1(Be nice. Behind the screen is a person reading what you write to them.)
Lmao genuinely curious on what your score is since you "killed" the LSAT
@juliet7sage said:
We value constructive criticism because that's how we improve. Since I don't see any suggestions for improvement in the original post, I am "sinking" this discussion for now. This just means that new replies won't bump it up to the top of the Discussions.
Translation: Since we are worried about our revenue, we will censor any opinion that could put our revenue in jeopardy. Keep sucking at LSAT 7Sagers, we love you.
We value constructive criticism because that's how we improve. Since I don't see any suggestions for improvement in the original post, I am "sinking" this discussion for now. This just means that new replies won't bump it up to the top of the Discussions.
@reillyjdodd275 said:
@ashleytien240 said:
@reillyjdodd275 said:
@ashleytien240 said:
@reillyjdodd275 said:
So if you don't like 7 sage why are you on here talking bad about the company on their website as well as having a subscription and claiming that you killed the lsat? Make it make sense?
I don’t have a subscription – you don’t need one for discussion – and I did kill the test. I am sorry that it doesn’t make sense to you.
This doesn't make sense. You literally don't have an subscription but you saying that 7 sage is a waste of money when you haven't fully experienced the full version of 7 sage. What you are saying is flawed. Please don't speak for the rest of us because different people have different learning styles.
Who the hell spoke for anyone ??? Relax.
You did obviously by telling people not to subscribe due to your experience with 7 sage. However you didn't fully experience 7 sage due to not having a subscription. And I'm chill I'm just pointing out the obvious. If you want to rant go on reddit LSAT. That site is full of negativity lol.
Honestly, this explains why your prof was trying to convince you to go to Cooley. It is a nice school.
Honestly, as an International student who was very unfamiliar with the LSAT and had never given such entrance test in past (in my country entrance test are more memory based) 7sage really helped me in my journey to get a 171. And even for someone who does not earn in dollars, it was very much affordable too.
lmao "relay"
Just chipping in my part for the record:
I studied on my own without asking for help for about 6 months before coming to 7Sage. I worked my way up to the low 160’s and then plateaued. Once I got to 160 plateau, I continued working hard. In fact, I actually began working far harder. I put everything I had into it. And still, I could not find a way forward into higher test scores.
So I started with 7Sage. At that point, my scores began breaking higher again. I slowly starting building my PT average up to 175. Scored 170 on test day, then retook for my 176. I always tried figuring things out without additional resources or explanation from others, but there were whole aspects of the LSAT I simply didn’t know existed. 7Sage brought them to my attention, and I became increasingly more able to work out things on my own. Then, on my final PT before my 176, there was one question I spent three hours on and simply couldn’t solve; I did everything I knew to do, and I simply didn’t have the insight to solve it. So I went to JY who asked me, “What does ‘dissolve’ mean?” That seems like a pretty dumb question for someone to have to ask you, but it unlocked the problem for me. Far more than allowing me to solve that specific question, though, it identified an issue the test writers employ to create a point of confusion. Since I identified that issue, with JY’s help, I’ve seen it again and have been able to crack the questions that use it.
This is how learning works. You turn something you don’t know into something you do, and you recognize opportunity to utilize that new knowledge in future applications. 7Sage is a tool that assists in that endeavor.
7Sage changed my life. It won’t do the same for everyone. The LSAT requires hard work and 7Sage can’t do that work for anyone. A hammer can’t build a house for the carpenter, and 7Sage can’t master the LSAT for the student. It isn’t meant to, because that isn’t how tools work.
@ashleytien240 said:
@reillyjdodd275 said:
@ashleytien240 said:
@reillyjdodd275 said:
So if you don't like 7 sage why are you on here talking bad about the company on their website as well as having a subscription and claiming that you killed the lsat? Make it make sense?
I don’t have a subscription – you don’t need one for discussion – and I did kill the test. I am sorry that it doesn’t make sense to you.
This doesn't make sense. You literally don't have an subscription but you saying that 7 sage is a waste of money when you haven't fully experienced the full version of 7 sage. What you are saying is flawed. Please don't speak for the rest of us because different people have different learning styles.
Who the hell spoke for anyone ??? Relax.
You did obviously by telling people not to subscribe due to your experience with 7 sage. However you didn't fully experience 7 sage due to not having a subscription. And I'm chill I'm just pointing out the obvious. If you want to rant go on reddit LSAT. That site is full of negativity lol.
It's been hours and you're still at it omg. Do you plan on doing this on the Powerscore forum too? I want to see you tell them how much they suck as well.
And falsely equating using resources on the lsat to practicing as an attorney is a classic LR flaw. Maybe you're just helping everyone practice for the Oct exam?
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@reillyjdodd275 said:
@ashleytien240 said:
@reillyjdodd275 said:
So if you don't like 7 sage why are you on here talking bad about the company on their website as well as having a subscription and claiming that you killed the lsat? Make it make sense?
I don’t have a subscription – you don’t need one for discussion – and I did kill the test. I am sorry that it doesn’t make sense to you.
This doesn't make sense. You literally don't have an subscription but you saying that 7 sage is a waste of money when you haven't fully experienced the full version of 7 sage. What you are saying is flawed. Please don't speak for the rest of us because different people have different learning styles.
Who the hell spoke for anyone ??? Relax.
@eschul8614 said:
lmao I got above a 170 just from 7sage. Without them, I would probably be going to Cooley.
Congratulations. I wonder if they can also help you win your trials or think for you when you encounter a case with no precedent whatsoever.
@eschul8614 said:
lmao I got above a 170 just from 7sage. Without them, I would probably be going to Cooley.
Lmao I had a professor who tried to convince me to go there im like nope! I visited their school once in Tampa and all I have to say is no comment.
@ashleytien240 said:
@reillyjdodd275 said:
So if you don't like 7 sage why are you on here talking bad about the company on their website as well as having a subscription and claiming that you killed the lsat? Make it make sense?
I don’t have a subscription – you don’t need one for discussion – and I did kill the test. I am sorry that it doesn’t make sense to you.
This doesn't make sense. You literally don't have an subscription but you saying that 7 sage is a waste of money when you haven't fully experienced the full version of 7 sage. What you are saying is flawed. Please don't speak for the rest of us because different people have different learning styles.
lmao I got above a 170 just from 7sage. Without them, I would probably be going to Cooley.
@ashleytien240 said:
Sufficient assumption: everyone learns the exact same way.
Except everything you need to answer the question is given to you on the test. So I don’t know what exactly are you learning?
This is a skill my friend and everyone improve their skills the same way. Practice.
If you think there is a set of knowledge that you can learn and kill the LSAT, think again. This is a skill.
@ashleytien240 said:
Sufficient assumption: everyone learns the exact same way.
@eartunian992 said:
@ashleytien240 said:
All the basics that you need are made freely available on LSAC website. Relaying on explanations during the early stages of preparation is very detrimental. You need to let your brain develop the neural networks it needs to overcome tests obstacles independently.
I don't agree that LSAC's free materials are sufficient for most people to reach their best score, especially in a section like LG where that material is notoriously incomplete and poorly constructed. But even if they were, it wouldn't mean that commercial prep doesn't offer a ton of value in other ways. There is a lot more to 7sage than explanation videos.
But, I can get behind your larger point that students would be better off locking themselves in a room with nothing but preptests and going through them over and over than they are being spoonfed solutions and otherwise not engaging directly with the exam. This is exactly why JY recommends taking 40 PTs and then conducting a rigorous blind review of every question, and then further reviewing those questions you miss in BR, or struggle with.
@eartunian992 said:
@ashleytien240 said:
All the basics that you need are made freely available on LSAC website. Relaying on explanations during the early stages of preparation is very detrimental. You need to let your brain develop the neural networks it needs to overcome tests obstacles independently.
I don't agree that LSAC's free materials are sufficient for most people to reach their best score, especially in a section like LG where that material is notoriously incomplete and poorly constructed. But even if they were, it wouldn't mean that commercial prep doesn't offer a ton of value in other ways. There is a lot more to 7sage than explanation videos.
But, I can get behind your larger point that students would be better off locking themselves in a room with nothing but preptests and going through them over and over than they are being spoonfed solutions and otherwise not engaging directly with the exam. This is exactly why JY recommends taking 40 PTs and then conducting a rigorous blind review of every question, and then further reviewing those questions you miss in BR, or struggle with.
I didn’t want to spell it out, but here it goes. Khan has everything you need. Period. I think locking yourself in with nothing but you and your PTs is the best way to improve your score.
Sufficient assumption: everyone learns the exact same way.
@ashleytien240 said:
All the basics that you need are made freely available on LSAC website. Relaying on explanations during the early stages of preparation is very detrimental. You need to let your brain develop the neural networks it needs to overcome tests obstacles independently.
I don't agree that LSAC's free materials are sufficient for most people to reach their best score, especially in a section like LG where that material is notoriously incomplete and poorly constructed. But even if they were, it wouldn't mean that commercial prep doesn't offer a ton of value in other ways. There is a lot more to 7sage than explanation videos.
But, I can get behind your larger point that students would be better off locking themselves in a room with nothing but preptests and going through them over and over than they are being spoonfed solutions and otherwise not engaging directly with the exam. This is exactly why JY recommends taking 40 PTs and then conducting a rigorous blind review of every question, and then further reviewing those questions you miss in BR, or struggle with.
@eartunian992 said:
@ashleytien240 said:
Look, at the end of they day you get to believe and do what you want. I don’t care about your response. This post is a wake up call for all LSAT takers who fall victims for LSAT prep companies who are more interested in increasing their revenue than increasing your score.
I am telling you there is a more effective and free way to increase your score. You can listen to me or ignore everything I said.
I agree with some of what you are saying but not about prep courses in general. I think it's true that most top scorers eventually move beyond explanations, but most people are better off in the beginner and intermediate stages having specific curricula/reliable sources of information to build the foundation of knowledge and skill they need to get to the 99th percentile. As a result, I think courses like 7sage make most students' journey up the scale more efficient not less. And believe it or not, not everyone has the ability to "figure everything out" on their own. I'm a 99th percentile scorer (174 in June, and multiple 180s on PTs) who frequently learns things I didn't know from JY's videos and the discussion on 7sage. This is to say nothing of the tools 7sage provides to identify and isolate areas where I need work, practice individual questions, take timed sections, etc. Sure, I could do much of this on my own but it would be far less efficient.
All the basics that you need are made freely available on LSAC website. Relaying on explanations during the early stages of preparation is very detrimental. You need to let your brain develop the neural networks it needs to overcome tests obstacles independently.