@TeklaCo Without lawgic, just thinking it through.
These are the only two types of tools that are used for etching. All of one type is used for engraving. Some of the other is used for engraving. In order for there to be more used for engraving than not, the two types have to exist in the same quantity or the "some" tools have to be fewer in number.
Scan ACs for one of those two options, looking for -
Couldn't there also be the possibility that there are more pin-tipped etching tools than bladed etching tools? That would be a sufficient assumption to guarantee the conclusion.
@Anthony121 That's exactly what I was looking for in the answer choices. I assumed there would be more pin-tipped etching tools than bladed etching tools, for the conclusion to follow logically, which is why I instantly dismissed B :(
These are the only two types of tools that are used for etching. All of one type is used for engraving. Some of the other is used for engraving. In order for there to be more used for engraving than not, the two types have to exist in the same quantity or the "some" tools have to be fewer in number.
Scan ACs for one of those two options, looking for -
my dumbass wrote down that a tool could either be bladed or pin and I still got confused by insisting "what if there is a tool that is something other than blade or pin?
I'm really worried with a 3 hour test fatigue will hurt my ability to do well the deeper into the test I get
i formulated the lawgic the right way and was able to understand what the argument was saying but i have 0 ideas as to why B is right, even after watching and reading.
I have realized that for myself, unless the conditional logic appears in like a super long paragraph where I start getting lost, I do much better if I disregard formatting it into Lawgic. Just reading it like a word problem.
to whoever is feeling discouraged bc of these SA questions, just know that more than half of these highly intellectual individuals on here................are as equally struggling
I'm usually able to answer these questions by using POE to assume each AC is true and then eliminate them one by one from there mentally. That's what allowed me to answer this question.
There is a limit to what I can model in my head though. Like a couple lessons back, there was a Level 5 question about finding sentient beings outside outside our solar system. That question had far too many words and linked conditionals for me to model it in my head. So, I had to write down the premises and conclusions, then swap out each AC one by one.
My problem is that I feel like J.Ys videos are made from the perspective of someone that already knows the answer, and then chooses the easiest method to get there. But we don't know that.
Why choose to model this question with a diagram? We didn't do that in the other questions. And then jump straight to the answer as B? I doubt that anybody solves questions like this.
#feedback If possible, 7sage should create videos of people who solve LSAT questions that they see for the first time out loud under timed conditions. Every solution video takes 5x, 6x, 7x the time you have to actually solve the question and I think it makes us plateau.
If we all had 8 minutes and 29 to answer each question we'd smash the exam. It is the time limit that is killer.
@KelechiChukwuemeka Agreed. I literally said to myself like the other day, if this test wasn't under such tight time constraints.. I feel like many people could possibly do better on the exam. Realistically, sometimes I feel like these questions do take 5 minutes or more to understand and find the answer. I'm praying that once I work with my tutor I can get faster at spotting the answers...
I usually take a long time on questions, but this one threw me for a loop. When we just worked on very formal logic training regarding PSA/Principle, this one was a mess. I diagrammed and looked at Some Before All and Most Before All. I finally got the answer right due to hunting for my answer and finding, via grammar parsing, that every other answer choice was dumb.
This might not be an accurate question, or a question at all, but I thought to myself after two minutes that I should be diagramming, then diagrammed for a minute, and stared at my diagram for 30 minutes trying to put puzzle pieces together for some form of a logical argument I could make.
I realized that the stimulus gives me an easy out, that if both pools contain the same amount of stuff, then the pool that contains the more water (or more etching tools that act as engraving tools) then logically it follows that more etching tools will be used as engraving tools than not. Yea, just giving my feedback on this question that was superbly tough for me.
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Note: When making visual representations, make sure to keep track of which decisions were arbitrary!
how do you choose when to draw out the stimulus and when not to.
I dont understand
@TeklaCo Without lawgic, just thinking it through.
These are the only two types of tools that are used for etching. All of one type is used for engraving. Some of the other is used for engraving. In order for there to be more used for engraving than not, the two types have to exist in the same quantity or the "some" tools have to be fewer in number.
Scan ACs for one of those two options, looking for -
Pin Tipped more than OR equal to Bladed
AC B. Equal to.
I think it's time for bed after that one
would be cool if you did more than like 1 example of these................
I used some/most/all inferences and could only form a valid inference that aligned with option A :(
Couldn't there also be the possibility that there are more pin-tipped etching tools than bladed etching tools? That would be a sufficient assumption to guarantee the conclusion.
@Anthony121 That's exactly what I was looking for in the answer choices. I assumed there would be more pin-tipped etching tools than bladed etching tools, for the conclusion to follow logically, which is why I instantly dismissed B :(
nope. not a chance on that one
confused
@Gabi
All tools --> Bladed or Pinned
some bladed tools --> engrave
some bladed tools --> /engrave
all pinned tools --> engrave
--------------------------------------
tools that engrave > tools /engrave
We know that the word SOME can mean anywhere between a couple of tools to almost half, but definitely not half. I assumed the latter.
5 minutes .. not sure how I'm gonna be able to get my time down
Without lawgic, just thinking it through.
These are the only two types of tools that are used for etching. All of one type is used for engraving. Some of the other is used for engraving. In order for there to be more used for engraving than not, the two types have to exist in the same quantity or the "some" tools have to be fewer in number.
Scan ACs for one of those two options, looking for -
Pin Tipped more than OR equal to Bladed
AC B. Equal to.
@gurbytown I like the way you explained this, this makes more sense then when I drew it out Lawgically :(
my dumbass wrote down that a tool could either be bladed or pin and I still got confused by insisting "what if there is a tool that is something other than blade or pin?
I'm really worried with a 3 hour test fatigue will hurt my ability to do well the deeper into the test I get
i formulated the lawgic the right way and was able to understand what the argument was saying but i have 0 ideas as to why B is right, even after watching and reading.
This one was tough...
Why did I even bother trying to diagram this FML
Took 8 minutes but got it right lmao..... progress
I have realized that for myself, unless the conditional logic appears in like a super long paragraph where I start getting lost, I do much better if I disregard formatting it into Lawgic. Just reading it like a word problem.
to whoever is feeling discouraged bc of these SA questions, just know that more than half of these highly intellectual individuals on here................are as equally struggling
POE is my best friend
Dude I suck at conditional reasoning.
OMG ANYONE FOLLOWING MY SAGA OF COMMENTS IN THIS UNIT I AM PROUD TO SAY I FINALLY GOT ONE RIGHT THANK THE LORD
almost see this is a flaw question. FML FML
I'm usually able to answer these questions by using POE to assume each AC is true and then eliminate them one by one from there mentally. That's what allowed me to answer this question.
There is a limit to what I can model in my head though. Like a couple lessons back, there was a Level 5 question about finding sentient beings outside outside our solar system. That question had far too many words and linked conditionals for me to model it in my head. So, I had to write down the premises and conclusions, then swap out each AC one by one.
My problem is that I feel like J.Ys videos are made from the perspective of someone that already knows the answer, and then chooses the easiest method to get there. But we don't know that.
Why choose to model this question with a diagram? We didn't do that in the other questions. And then jump straight to the answer as B? I doubt that anybody solves questions like this.
#feedback If possible, 7sage should create videos of people who solve LSAT questions that they see for the first time out loud under timed conditions. Every solution video takes 5x, 6x, 7x the time you have to actually solve the question and I think it makes us plateau.
If we all had 8 minutes and 29 to answer each question we'd smash the exam. It is the time limit that is killer.
@KelechiChukwuemeka Agreed. I literally said to myself like the other day, if this test wasn't under such tight time constraints.. I feel like many people could possibly do better on the exam. Realistically, sometimes I feel like these questions do take 5 minutes or more to understand and find the answer. I'm praying that once I work with my tutor I can get faster at spotting the answers...
I usually take a long time on questions, but this one threw me for a loop. When we just worked on very formal logic training regarding PSA/Principle, this one was a mess. I diagrammed and looked at Some Before All and Most Before All. I finally got the answer right due to hunting for my answer and finding, via grammar parsing, that every other answer choice was dumb.
This might not be an accurate question, or a question at all, but I thought to myself after two minutes that I should be diagramming, then diagrammed for a minute, and stared at my diagram for 30 minutes trying to put puzzle pieces together for some form of a logical argument I could make.
I realized that the stimulus gives me an easy out, that if both pools contain the same amount of stuff, then the pool that contains the more water (or more etching tools that act as engraving tools) then logically it follows that more etching tools will be used as engraving tools than not. Yea, just giving my feedback on this question that was superbly tough for me.
finally got one right but took forever