I picked the correct answer through process of elimination, but I'm not understanding how answer choice 'C' is indisputably correct.
The arguer does not seem concerned with whether the test is reliable at all, but instead is simply concerned with whether there is broad consensus on the known reliability of that test.
I thought of it like a rule application prompt, almost. In order to be used in Court (for criminal cases), the evidence's reliability must be agreed-upon by the scientific community.
In this case, it seems like this is not flawed, I fail to see how the premises don't support the conclusion. It seems like the argument is ironclad in demonstrating how DNA evidence fails to trigger the conclusion which would allow its usage in Court. Just because DNA evidence is seen as reliable, it still fails to meet the conditions needed for the rule to trigger here.
when I went through the ACs C made no sense to me as how they can agree on something but then disagree so I didnt pick it and it was the right one ughhhh
I don't know about you guys but I like to imagine that the stimulus is placed Infront of me and all my friends in a casual setting and we all make fun of the argument and say it sucks because it forget _. Makes this unit super entertaining and so far works really well LOL.
I got this one but anyone else consistently finding 3/5 difficulty questions to be sometimes most difficult? I think I overthink them the most since they sit somewhere right in the middle of perceived difficulty. In my practice tests my wrong answers are 3/5s & 5/5s. yiiiiiikies
I would have struggled so much w this one but I just read the LSAT Dragon chapter on False Assumption flaws and when I read the question stem, I knew right away I had to do POE on the ACs and pick the one that if true, would strengthen the arg. def recommend that book ya'll its been a gaaameee changer. 7sage helps me re- enforce concepts and practice but LSAT dragon has game changing tips and explanations
When should we be trying to diagram the logic, and when should we be going with our gut feeling? My gut feeling is usually correct, and diagramming the logic slows me down, but I've heard that you need to be diagramming in order to break into the highest level of scoring.
I picked C after POE but still do not understand why it is correct. The condition was that there has to be widespread agreement in the scientific community about how reliable a certain test is. C says experts may agree that the tests are highly reliable while disagreeing about exactly how reliable they are. The condition was clear in saying they have to agree about how reliable they are, so it does not leave room for the assumption C is stating. To me it feels like C is directly contradicting a premise. If the premise simply said they have to agree period, then I understand how C would be correct in making the distinction between agreement in general and agreement about the specific level of reliability. Can someone please help?
I understand why C is correct but it seems like it may require you to read something into the stimulus. The argument presented is simply that there must be widespread agreement about the reliability of the DNA tests in order for them to be admissible in court. That doesn't require the controversy to be as varied as the explanation for this answer choice suggests. Even if the difference in how the scientists assess reliability is only 98% vs. 99%, the argument is just saying that there cannot be widespread disagreement however large or small. Can someone clear this up for me?
I do not understand why C is the correct answer. I clicked D but then switched to C and then got it correct. (I guessed) I switched it becasue D talks about evidence being admitted and the stimulus does not talk about evidence being admitted. It is more interested in the reliability of DNA testing.
it seems these kinds of flaw questions which aren't really informal, formal, or sufficiency necessity ones are all about noticing inconsistencies in the logic or assumptions .
I'm unsure if this was already addressed but isn't the condition that there needs to be agreement on how reliable the test is? And doesn't C say there is disagreement specifically about how reliable it is?
I see the argument J.Y. is making, but I am still trying to get myself to wholeheartedly believe that the logic is sound.
How can the considerable controversy and widespread agreement be consistent with each other!? I can 100% see the argument being made for C if the stimulus said "unless there is widespread agreement on if a certain test is reliable or not.
That would make sense, because then I would understand that even though the scientists argue about how reliable the tests are, they can all still agree that the tests are generally reliable overall.
But J.Y's explanation literally shows that there is not widespread agreement on how reliable the tests are, even if it comes down to specific percentage points.
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maybe im just not cut out for this shit man
this question is so dumb
Oh this one did not click for me at all. Chose A and then B in BR.
this one sucked
I picked the correct answer through process of elimination, but I'm not understanding how answer choice 'C' is indisputably correct.
The arguer does not seem concerned with whether the test is reliable at all, but instead is simply concerned with whether there is broad consensus on the known reliability of that test.
I thought of it like a rule application prompt, almost. In order to be used in Court (for criminal cases), the evidence's reliability must be agreed-upon by the scientific community.
In this case, it seems like this is not flawed, I fail to see how the premises don't support the conclusion. It seems like the argument is ironclad in demonstrating how DNA evidence fails to trigger the conclusion which would allow its usage in Court. Just because DNA evidence is seen as reliable, it still fails to meet the conditions needed for the rule to trigger here.
#help
35 secs under😌
picked C first, didnt rlly understand it so I just picked A
I saw someone say to trust how u mentally got to an answer but if I don't completely get it, I just assume I'm wrong ://
when I went through the ACs C made no sense to me as how they can agree on something but then disagree so I didnt pick it and it was the right one ughhhh
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I don't know about you guys but I like to imagine that the stimulus is placed Infront of me and all my friends in a casual setting and we all make fun of the argument and say it sucks because it forget _. Makes this unit super entertaining and so far works really well LOL.
Best strategy for me seems to be trying to predict the flaw, but being open to the ACs.
I got this one but anyone else consistently finding 3/5 difficulty questions to be sometimes most difficult? I think I overthink them the most since they sit somewhere right in the middle of perceived difficulty. In my practice tests my wrong answers are 3/5s & 5/5s. yiiiiiikies
I would have struggled so much w this one but I just read the LSAT Dragon chapter on False Assumption flaws and when I read the question stem, I knew right away I had to do POE on the ACs and pick the one that if true, would strengthen the arg. def recommend that book ya'll its been a gaaameee changer. 7sage helps me re- enforce concepts and practice but LSAT dragon has game changing tips and explanations
Isn't "Unless" a necessary condition indicator? Why is it placed in the sufficient condition when you diagram?
When should we be trying to diagram the logic, and when should we be going with our gut feeling? My gut feeling is usually correct, and diagramming the logic slows me down, but I've heard that you need to be diagramming in order to break into the highest level of scoring.
I picked C after POE but still do not understand why it is correct. The condition was that there has to be widespread agreement in the scientific community about how reliable a certain test is. C says experts may agree that the tests are highly reliable while disagreeing about exactly how reliable they are. The condition was clear in saying they have to agree about how reliable they are, so it does not leave room for the assumption C is stating. To me it feels like C is directly contradicting a premise. If the premise simply said they have to agree period, then I understand how C would be correct in making the distinction between agreement in general and agreement about the specific level of reliability. Can someone please help?
I understand why C is correct but it seems like it may require you to read something into the stimulus. The argument presented is simply that there must be widespread agreement about the reliability of the DNA tests in order for them to be admissible in court. That doesn't require the controversy to be as varied as the explanation for this answer choice suggests. Even if the difference in how the scientists assess reliability is only 98% vs. 99%, the argument is just saying that there cannot be widespread disagreement however large or small. Can someone clear this up for me?
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I had Deja Vu about this question, and the answer I pick being wrong. And I ignored it.
I do not understand why C is the correct answer. I clicked D but then switched to C and then got it correct. (I guessed) I switched it becasue D talks about evidence being admitted and the stimulus does not talk about evidence being admitted. It is more interested in the reliability of DNA testing.
Anyone else feel like answer choices are so much more obvious when JY walks through them?
Makes so much more sense following along when JY speaks, then when I read lol
it seems these kinds of flaw questions which aren't really informal, formal, or sufficiency necessity ones are all about noticing inconsistencies in the logic or assumptions .
I'm unsure if this was already addressed but isn't the condition that there needs to be agreement on how reliable the test is? And doesn't C say there is disagreement specifically about how reliable it is?
I see the argument J.Y. is making, but I am still trying to get myself to wholeheartedly believe that the logic is sound.
How can the considerable controversy and widespread agreement be consistent with each other!? I can 100% see the argument being made for C if the stimulus said "unless there is widespread agreement on if a certain test is reliable or not.
That would make sense, because then I would understand that even though the scientists argue about how reliable the tests are, they can all still agree that the tests are generally reliable overall.
But J.Y's explanation literally shows that there is not widespread agreement on how reliable the tests are, even if it comes down to specific percentage points.
#feedback