Now that Object clause is introduced- it makes things easier to put together. I wasn't understanding the gap because all I wanted to do was put the pieces together to make a full puzzle- rather than a partial (i.e., main subject, and verb). I need more practice, but I thought I'd share.
For question 4, why wouldn't "and so displays them only when requested for an exhibition" be considered an additional object clause to be drawn out and separated? Would "and so" not be considered its own predicate object if it is linking a different clause/point to the same sentence? Or does this not need to be separated out like that because it is a cause and effect relationship?
In his explanation of question 5, the instructor says: “What thing does the bakery realize? It realized that it can’t continue to bake its traditional bread and as a consequence switched to a recipe that uses cornmeal”
But the answer key says that the word “and” on its own does not indicate a causal relationship between the clauses “it can’t continue to bake its traditional bread” and “it switches to a recipe that uses cornmeal”. The answer key says that “based on the meaning of the two clauses it’s strongly implied that the second clause is a consequence of the first clause.
I’ve done all the lessons in order so I haven’t gotten to the in-depth lessons that explain the types of relationships that can be expressed by joining clauses together. But it feels like whether or not the relationship is a causal one is important to the overall understanding of the sentence b/c if we’re saying that the fact that the bakery “can’t continue to bake its traditional bread” definitelycauses the bakery to switch to a cornmeal recipe – that’s different than saying that it’s likely to have caused that switch.
So I'm wondering: Is it important to the overall understanding of the sentence whether or not the relationship is causal?
It took me a couple questions but got the hang of it. I feel like if there was more extensive practice on this, it would solidify my understanding further. I have been trying to utilize this every day when I am reading!
#help on the previous page, it says "that the sky is blue" is the predicate object. However, question 1 says "that" is the predicate object and "cells have the ability to heal themselves" is the object clause. Why is that? Going off of this skill builder shouldn't the previous page say "that" is the predicate object and "the sky is blue" is the object clause?
Ok so I went way to in depth with this and tried to make the object clause into S/P and found it very hard after watching I realized I misunderstood the goal of the exercise but I did found out how relevant referential are and heres how:
Q3: Fans of the movie argue that it will have a significant impact on the perspectives of many viewers.
S = Fans
P = Argue
OS - it will (it as in the movie will)
OP - have a significant impact on the perspectives ( perspectives as in the viewers)
Hope this helps someone -- without being able to see referents this would make 0 sense.
"it [the bakery] can't continue to bake its traditional bread and switches to a recipe that uses cornmeal."
Yields
The bakery can't continue to bake its traditional bread.
The bakery switches to a recipe that uses cornmeal.
The two sentences are linked by "and," which in this context suggests that (1) causes (2). But isn't this a somewhat misleading analysis? Look at the whole sentence:
"A bakery in a region facing wheat shortage realizes that it can't continue to bake its traditional bread and switches to a recipe that uses cornmeal."
The fact that the bakery can't continue to bake its traditional bread isn't per se what causes it to switch up the recipe. Rather, it's the bakery realizing this fact.
Maybe the solution is that this fact and the bakery realizing so are related, and both play a causal role in bringing about (2). But my takeaway from this is that it's a reminder not to ignore the rest of the sentence when faced with a complex object clause.
for question 5, I see either: the two predicates, "realize" and "switch"; or a causal clause that requires the language "and so" in place of "and". I say this because the bakery does not "realize" that it "switches to another recipe". It switches as a result of realizing it cannot bake its traditional bread. Please advise.
#help / question! For Q4, can the sentence be considered an argument?
Premise: "A library in a digital-first community finds that it is unable to lend its printed books"
Conclusion: "so displays them only when requested for an exhibition."
Wondering if "so" can be seen as a conclusion indicator word. Also, if I ask myself, "why should I believe that libraries in a digital-first community displays printed books only when requested for an exhibition?", the answer can be "because they find that they're unable to lend it's printed books".
I know this is not the main objective of this exercise, but just want to continue practicing what I learned in the arguments section & applying it!
For Q.4, is it ok to think unable to lend its printed books as an object clause? (and this leading to the consequence of displaying them only when requested)
Thought that finding out 'they are unable to lend so they displayed them only when requested' was quite odd- (since finding out their OWN action doesn't seem to flow logically)
Question #3: Fans of the movie argue that it will have a significant impact on the perspectives of many viewers.
I'd appreciate explanation on why the below answer would be incorrect?
and b) can we have two predicate-verbs?
Answer
Fans of the movie argue that it will have a significant impact on the perspectives of many viewers.
[subject-noun] fans
[modifying "Fans"] of the movie
[predicate-verb] argue
[predicate-object] that
[referential] it
[predicate-verb #2] will have
[object clause] a significant impact on the perspectives of many viewers
Thank you!!
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lets get this bread
5/5
will this become intuitive, because how will I have enough time on the test to do this?
Now that Object clause is introduced- it makes things easier to put together. I wasn't understanding the gap because all I wanted to do was put the pieces together to make a full puzzle- rather than a partial (i.e., main subject, and verb). I need more practice, but I thought I'd share.
For question 4, why wouldn't "and so displays them only when requested for an exhibition" be considered an additional object clause to be drawn out and separated? Would "and so" not be considered its own predicate object if it is linking a different clause/point to the same sentence? Or does this not need to be separated out like that because it is a cause and effect relationship?
In his explanation of question 5, the instructor says: “What thing does the bakery realize? It realized that it can’t continue to bake its traditional bread and as a consequence switched to a recipe that uses cornmeal”
But the answer key says that the word “and” on its own does not indicate a causal relationship between the clauses “it can’t continue to bake its traditional bread” and “it switches to a recipe that uses cornmeal”. The answer key says that “based on the meaning of the two clauses it’s strongly implied that the second clause is a consequence of the first clause.
I’ve done all the lessons in order so I haven’t gotten to the in-depth lessons that explain the types of relationships that can be expressed by joining clauses together. But it feels like whether or not the relationship is a causal one is important to the overall understanding of the sentence b/c if we’re saying that the fact that the bakery “can’t continue to bake its traditional bread” definitely causes the bakery to switch to a cornmeal recipe – that’s different than saying that it’s likely to have caused that switch.
So I'm wondering: Is it important to the overall understanding of the sentence whether or not the relationship is causal?
4/5!!! though i did not get it mainly because I feel like i'm getting bored but yay!!
What makes this different from prepositions that we did in the previous lessons?
I think this stuff is fun!
understanding this much more. 5/5.
5/5, woohoo!! I never thought DGP would ever come in handy, shoutout to my 8th grade English teacher!
5/5 - gaining momentum 🎉
It took me a couple questions but got the hang of it. I feel like if there was more extensive practice on this, it would solidify my understanding further. I have been trying to utilize this every day when I am reading!
#help on the previous page, it says "that the sky is blue" is the predicate object. However, question 1 says "that" is the predicate object and "cells have the ability to heal themselves" is the object clause. Why is that? Going off of this skill builder shouldn't the previous page say "that" is the predicate object and "the sky is blue" is the object clause?
Ok so I went way to in depth with this and tried to make the object clause into S/P and found it very hard after watching I realized I misunderstood the goal of the exercise but I did found out how relevant referential are and heres how:
Q3: Fans of the movie argue that it will have a significant impact on the perspectives of many viewers.
S = Fans
P = Argue
OS - it will (it as in the movie will)
OP - have a significant impact on the perspectives ( perspectives as in the viewers)
Hope this helps someone -- without being able to see referents this would make 0 sense.
5/5!!!
Question 4.
Object clause.
"it is unable to lend its printed books and so displays them only when requested for an exhibition."
What would be the Subject and Predicate?
Subject: Printed books? Library?
Predicate: unable? display?
For question 5, analyzing the object clause:
"it [the bakery] can't continue to bake its traditional bread and switches to a recipe that uses cornmeal."
Yields
The bakery can't continue to bake its traditional bread.
The bakery switches to a recipe that uses cornmeal.
The two sentences are linked by "and," which in this context suggests that (1) causes (2). But isn't this a somewhat misleading analysis? Look at the whole sentence:
"A bakery in a region facing wheat shortage realizes that it can't continue to bake its traditional bread and switches to a recipe that uses cornmeal."
The fact that the bakery can't continue to bake its traditional bread isn't per se what causes it to switch up the recipe. Rather, it's the bakery realizing this fact.
Maybe the solution is that this fact and the bakery realizing so are related, and both play a causal role in bringing about (2). But my takeaway from this is that it's a reminder not to ignore the rest of the sentence when faced with a complex object clause.
for question 5, I see either: the two predicates, "realize" and "switch"; or a causal clause that requires the language "and so" in place of "and". I say this because the bakery does not "realize" that it "switches to another recipe". It switches as a result of realizing it cannot bake its traditional bread. Please advise.
Is an object a special type of modifier of the predicate?
For all or most of these questions, why is "that" considered the predicate object? Wouldn't "that" be part of the object clause?
#help / question! For Q4, can the sentence be considered an argument?
Premise: "A library in a digital-first community finds that it is unable to lend its printed books"
Conclusion: "so displays them only when requested for an exhibition."
Wondering if "so" can be seen as a conclusion indicator word. Also, if I ask myself, "why should I believe that libraries in a digital-first community displays printed books only when requested for an exhibition?", the answer can be "because they find that they're unable to lend it's printed books".
I know this is not the main objective of this exercise, but just want to continue practicing what I learned in the arguments section & applying it!
For Q.4, is it ok to think unable to lend its printed books as an object clause? (and this leading to the consequence of displaying them only when requested)
Thought that finding out 'they are unable to lend so they displayed them only when requested' was quite odd- (since finding out their OWN action doesn't seem to flow logically)
I walked out of my last classroom 12 years ago so the grammar section has been a wonderful refresher so far. 👏👏
Question #3: Fans of the movie argue that it will have a significant impact on the perspectives of many viewers.
I'd appreciate explanation on why the below answer would be incorrect?
and b) can we have two predicate-verbs?
Answer
Fans of the movie argue that it will have a significant impact on the perspectives of many viewers.
[subject-noun] fans
[modifying "Fans"] of the movie
[predicate-verb] argue
[predicate-object] that
[referential] it
[predicate-verb #2] will have
[object clause] a significant impact on the perspectives of many viewers
Thank you!!