Good luck everyone, just started my Lsat studying four days ago, brain is already exhausted but working to get a 165. Hopefully can try taking it in September, trying to apply during the early cycle, for Fall '27 admissions!
@JasonKeo it's great to hear you're back at it and motivated. Good luck to you too :) I'm also planning on taking the LSAT in November so let's link up in the chat and study together sometime.
The breakdown was helpful. I got the question right, but it was a slow process. Too long to be helpful on the exam. Looking forward to learning how to shorten the amount of time I spend thinking per question.
Except that is not what the stimulus of the problem was. In the problem you had to work out that "every student who attended every class got a grade of B- or higher". To do so meant understanding that students who attended every calls were excluded from the grade of less than B-, which is a bit mind melting if you are trying to work that out from the words. You concluding example would be more relevant if you showed how to go from the exact stimulus to the conclusion. You skipped a step and I think that it is those implicit (other side of the coin) relationships that trip up beginners and those under pressure. Perhaps this is why only those in the 97th percentile get this question right.
Kevin Lin teaches it like this....
Diagraming with shapes is very fast. If I try to keep these all/most/some in my head they quickly melt it. But if I draw boxes that overlap and contain the appropriate labels the relationships and overlaps are easy to see. For me, that is the difference between a 40 second solution to this problem and a 4 minute guess.
For example, on this question, the stick people don't overlap. Draw one box for All Classes. Draw a second box, most of which is inside the All Classes box and some of which is outside it. The draw another box which is inside the Students box, but does not overlap into the All Classes box, label that All < B-. Now you can easily see that none of the Students inside All Classes could have gotten < B-, so the valid inference All of the Students who attended All Classes (box inside All Classes) are excluded from < B- (B- can only exist outside All Classes) so must have got a B- or better.
That I can do fast. See Kevin Lin video on Overlapping Quantities
@BendrixBailey I partially agree. The first statement in the stimulus corresponds with the first statement in the pattern. One could even go so far as to say the second one does as well. But the conclusion doesn't correlate, because in the "B minus" question, the answer involves an additional step as you mention of considering the implication of the second stimulus statement.
haha this is so cool, it follows the transitive property in discrete mathematics. Hopefully I can start seeing more things that connect to the logic that I have already learned in my major!
Here's my thing though: the correct answer was E. (More than half of the students got B minus or higher) and I chose C, which was most students received a grade higher than a B minus. Was E correct because of the "B minus OR higher"? Because its essentially the same answer. most would have to mean more than half.
@azaafran I also chose C. In hindsight, the reason C is wrong is because is says something like 'higher than a b-'. I dont have the exact question in front of me but if you revisit the question it should make sense now. The difference is between 'higher than b-' and 'a b- or higher'
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Good luck everyone, just started my Lsat studying four days ago, brain is already exhausted but working to get a 165. Hopefully can try taking it in September, trying to apply during the early cycle, for Fall '27 admissions!
is anyone taking the LSATS in November?
@ShimaPo Yes. Took it last year and got a 146. Took a very long break and starting to study again. Good luck to you and everyone else.
@JasonKeo it's great to hear you're back at it and motivated. Good luck to you too :) I'm also planning on taking the LSAT in November so let's link up in the chat and study together sometime.
still feeling extremely overwhelmed but it's good to see that a lot of people here are sharing the same sentiment. We've got this
@ShimaPo 170 + incoming
Good luck everyone just starting my lsat study!
Good luck everyone just starting my lsat study!
@danielacantero me too!!
@danielacantero same when are you taking it?
Thank you for this. Now all I have to do is remember this. Most A are B. All C are D. Thus, most A are D.
@DestinaDecile its more like
Most A are B
All B are C
So most A are C
okay chat we in this together lock in lock in
The breakdown was helpful. I got the question right, but it was a slow process. Too long to be helpful on the exam. Looking forward to learning how to shorten the amount of time I spend thinking per question.
Very good explanation
This explanation break down was very helpful!
Was stuck on the question and this explanation really helped! Taking good notes.
I love this explanation it changed my way of interpretation
This explanation helped me be able to put it into a different perspective for me, very helpful!
Except that is not what the stimulus of the problem was. In the problem you had to work out that "every student who attended every class got a grade of B- or higher". To do so meant understanding that students who attended every calls were excluded from the grade of less than B-, which is a bit mind melting if you are trying to work that out from the words. You concluding example would be more relevant if you showed how to go from the exact stimulus to the conclusion. You skipped a step and I think that it is those implicit (other side of the coin) relationships that trip up beginners and those under pressure. Perhaps this is why only those in the 97th percentile get this question right.
Kevin Lin teaches it like this....
Diagraming with shapes is very fast. If I try to keep these all/most/some in my head they quickly melt it. But if I draw boxes that overlap and contain the appropriate labels the relationships and overlaps are easy to see. For me, that is the difference between a 40 second solution to this problem and a 4 minute guess.
For example, on this question, the stick people don't overlap. Draw one box for All Classes. Draw a second box, most of which is inside the All Classes box and some of which is outside it. The draw another box which is inside the Students box, but does not overlap into the All Classes box, label that All < B-. Now you can easily see that none of the Students inside All Classes could have gotten < B-, so the valid inference All of the Students who attended All Classes (box inside All Classes) are excluded from < B- (B- can only exist outside All Classes) so must have got a B- or better.
That I can do fast. See Kevin Lin video on Overlapping Quantities
@BendrixBailey I partially agree. The first statement in the stimulus corresponds with the first statement in the pattern. One could even go so far as to say the second one does as well. But the conclusion doesn't correlate, because in the "B minus" question, the answer involves an additional step as you mention of considering the implication of the second stimulus statement.
Helpful
very helpful
This made me feel a lot less overwhelmed!!
haha this is so cool, it follows the transitive property in discrete mathematics. Hopefully I can start seeing more things that connect to the logic that I have already learned in my major!
@ChimziChuku woah that's exactly what I was thinking. if a>b and b>c, then by transitivity, a>c!
Very helpful! No one has broke down the patterns for me like this before!
Semantics matter, honestly this is eye opening when it comes down to it.
Ok so are both statements equally true: Most X are Y and Most X are Z??
@AriaBawa If all of Y are Z then yes, both statements are true. However, if only most of Y are Z then I don't believe you can say that most of X are Z
I should have paid attention in Logic :(
Here's my thing though: the correct answer was E. (More than half of the students got B minus or higher) and I chose C, which was most students received a grade higher than a B minus. Was E correct because of the "B minus OR higher"? Because its essentially the same answer. most would have to mean more than half.
@azaafran I also chose C. In hindsight, the reason C is wrong is because is says something like 'higher than a b-'. I dont have the exact question in front of me but if you revisit the question it should make sense now. The difference is between 'higher than b-' and 'a b- or higher'
@azaafran the opposite of "lower than b-" includes b- and higher
Wow! I got the Spanish 101 question wrong and this broke it down so simply.
Omg I never thought I would understand lol. Thanks a lot.