So, I’ve recently discovered that some people score significantly less on the actual test as compared to PTs. There is a general “rule of thumb” that you typically score -3 from what you PT at. So if my target score is a 160, should I be comfortably at 163 before considering the real test?

What’s even more scary is I’ve seen that people drop like -8 or more on the actual test. For someone like me who is aiming for a 160, that much of a drop is absolutely terrifying. If I were to drop that much (assuming I’m actually capable of scoring a 160) then my score wouldn’t be near the median of the schools I’m looking at applying to.

This whole concept of test day drops is literally keeping me up at night, especially since anxiety is something I’ve always struggled with. So, right when I think LSAT prep is already hard enough, there is this possibility that I don’t even score what I’ve worked so hard for:(

sorry for the crazy title, really need help

So I came into studying about 6 months ago with a goal of 167+

Ive been hitting that goal score now under timed conditions doing 2 sections a day for some tests and full tests for others

Scores have been (in order)

75 - 167

58 - 168

42 - 167

43 - 168

44 - 160 (gave up cause frustrated at a game)

45 - 170

46 - 166

47 - 168

48 - 168

49 - 167

50 - 168

51 - 169

77 - 170

As far as how many PTS left, i have all except one of the 80s. And from 54-80 I have all of the evens.

im doing some retakes here and there some days just to keep my mind fresh, and ingrain the logic while learning some new things because I dont remember all the questions considering Ive done em months ago.

How should I prepare for the march 30th exam? Should I take even more PTS cause I have recent ones? Ive heard that maybe I should do one-two more recent ones and end it on a GOOD note, like a score im happy with so im confident into test day.

i dont want to burn too many tests, yet i also want to make sure im fully prepared. I dont want to burn out, yet i want to make sure im doing everything i can to get a high score

For reference, march 30th will be my first take and im prepared to take it in july and september for next cycle as well. With taht in mind, im not sure how many more tests I should do. I also want to make sure i dont "forget" how to do anything until march 30th, obviously. Sorry for long post, please help!!!

I'm going to spill some tea for folks, and you may not like it.

If you want to get over 170 on the LSAT you have to be prepared to get 23/23 on the Logic Games section of the LSAT. Mathematically this is an obvious statement, after getting a perfect score on any one section of the LSAT means you get more leeway for error on the other sections of the LSAT for your target score. Assuming a -10 curve, if you perfect Logic Games that means you get to distribute 10 wrong answer choices across the three other sections. It becomes a far more manageable task! But why logic games? Why not focus on RC where there are 27 points, or the LR sections which account for 50% of the test? There's reasons for that.

#1. LG is learnable

LG is the most learnable part of the LSAT. I have seen students at all levels get to a point where they are able to consistently score perfect scores on the LG section. This is because of the nature of the section themselves. Unlike LR where you are at the mercy of the creativity of the LSAC writers and RC which can pull from an almost infinite amount of material across a wide variety of subjects the logic games have stayed fairly consistent through the history of the LSAT. The way games and rules are constructed, the approach to solving them, the patterns that are formed and the way inferences can be generated are actually fairly limited and the way we tackle games from LSATS in 1999 has not really changed from the way we tackle them today.

#2. Performance on LG is consistent (for the most part)

If you master logic games, chances are you will be able to replicate your performance repeatedly. The traits that you need to be able to master games in practice easily transfer to test day because as we discussed in point 1, the build of logic games sections is actually fairly constricted. Granted you can still get hit by the dreaded miscellaneous game but if you have prepared well you should have already encountered and conquered multiple miscellaneous games in your preparation and would be nonplussed by their appearance. Contrast that with RC which varies in difficulty not only by passage type, passage subject but also in the difficulty of the questions that are asked. And in LR where performance is dependant on juggling between being precise and being decisively quick. LG is where you should be able to easily translate your practice performance to the real thing.

#3. LG performance as a morale booster

LG is the one section in the LSAT where your own feelings about how you performed in the section tend to correlate quite nicely with your actual score. The nature of the questions allows you to be fairly confident when you hit the right answer. If you walk away from the LG section having completed every game and question you can be fairly confident that you scored 23/23. That is positive momentum you can take to the rest of the test. By contrast we all know when we under perform in the LG section, we either fail to finish all the questions or we fail to 'get' a game. If we walk away from the LG section knowing we underperformed we may feel even more pressure to do well on the other sections and the impact on performance can be negative. It is thus imperative that we excel at logic games.

So perhaps I convinced you that it may be a good idea to try and master the logic games section. How do we actually do that? Well a tried and true method, that is common across almost everyone I've tutored who has achieved logic game mastery is that they fool proofed the games. For more on that strategy click here https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/fool-proof-guide-to-perfection-on-logic-games/ . Of course I'm not just going to write a big build up for logic games success without giving you a few tips of my own. Read on for those!

Beyond Full Proofing

One of the reasons we full proof games is to improve our ability to recognize inferences. We can do that through strict memorization of how the inferences developed within the given circumstances of our game but that won't necessarily help you out in the future. What we are better off doing is recognizing how those inferences were formed. What did we do to draw them out? Did we concentrate on rules which were inherently powerful in how they affected the game board? Did we focus on spaces which by the nature of the rules was inherently restricted? Did we draw out the possible outcomes rather than focusing on prohibitive ones? If your study of the logic games focuses on patterns of inferences, and why you made them rather than on the inferences themselves your study time will pay far greater dividends down the road.

There are sometimes more than one way to tackle a logic game. Don't be constrained by your initial approach, or even JY's approach. You will learn more from a game if you try to tackle it in multiple ways. A game that may have seemed an obvious choice to split, may prove even easier if you just tackled it by approaching the questions head on and vice versa. Doing this will also help you better prepare for scenarios where perhaps you missed a key inference that would allow a split or perhaps, if you are not comfortable with splitting, would allow you to split a game you wouldn't have necessarily thought to split in the first place. Getting the right answer is not enough, you want to be able to get the right answer using multiple possible approaches.

Your performance on a logic game hinges on your setup. Lots of folks speed through this process because they never really practice it. When they start full proofing, the setups get better because of the prior knowledge one gleans from having seen the game before but the ability to actually properly perform a setup escapes them. You must allow yourself enough time in your setup to do the following:

1. Understand what the game is asking you to do

2. Understand the optimal way of diagramming the game

3. Understand the key game pieces and positions which the game hinges on

4. Understand how the rules interact with each other

5. Understand whether you should be splitting the game or attacking the questions

Ideally as you full proof you will develop your own process as to how to make sure all those things are checked off. A tutor can be really beneficial here as they can provide you their own process for doing just that!

The best test takers are intelligent in how they tackle the questions. Just like the overall approach to games can very, the approach to tackling individual questions can also vary. What you want to do, at all times is question whether your approach is efficient. Ideally you want to do the LEAST amount of work possible to get to the right answer choices. When you are full proofing always ask yourself if you are being efficient. Some things to consider in this space:

1. Why is the LSAC asking this question? Is it to test an inference? If so, have you already made it? That may be the right answer! ( Ask this if you encounter a global MUST BE TRUE QUESTION)

2. Have I done any work on previous questions that can help me answer/eliminate some of the wrong answer choices?

3. Have I properly separated the contenders and non-contenders before I start making diagrams?

4. Is there a way to distinguish contenders from non-contenders that I have overlooked? (I can write an entire separate post on how to do this, but this typically requires some thought on what the question is looking for and what the answer choices are providing in response)

Getting to -0 on Logic Games may seem like a daunting task. Lots of students have achieved it though, and not all of them were Logic Game naturals. For the longest time, Logic Games was my weakest section. I managed to overcome that weakness to score a -0 on Logic Games on my LSAT. You can do this too if you focus on the right things! The information above should help you get started on that journey!

Hi Everyone,

I just signed up for the 3 month plan. I got a 155 on my last LSAT and want to get it up 10 points.

I am confused on how to use 7sage. Do I follow the syllabus (it shows way more drills, and examples) or do I follow the Study Guide?

HELP!

Hi all! Just took my first PT post-curriculum and feeling down. I got a 163 on my first diagnostic in November (weakest section RC) and a 166 just now (weakest section 1 LR but the other I got 88% on...not sure what happened). I work 30 hrs/wk and am trying to find another job (10 hrs/wk), so it's hard for me to study as much as I want to.

I felt like I'd improved since November, having done the whole curriculum, and here I am. I'm taking the 4/25 test, and my goal is 172+. Is there any way I can make this happen, or should I expect to probably take the test again?

Thank you so much for your advice :)

I was looking for some resources about this test center but I could barley find any before taking my exam. I just took the March 30, 2019, test and I have to say that I like the test center and would take another test there again (should I sadly have to retake). I think there were almost a hundred test takers, but you have enough space from each other since the room is pretty large. I was probably at least meter away from the next test taker. We also had plenty of desk space. However, the generous space might not be available if there significnatly more test takers.

It was pretty quiet the whole time. The room was really cold for more than half the exam, but later warmed up. I would suggest wearing layers of clothing that you can later shed. The bathrooms are right outside the test room but there was a long queue, since there are only three stalls (for women).

If you don't know your way around DC and have not been to the Ronald Reagan Building, I would suggest you visit the place before the exam since there is a considerable walk to the testing room if you did not enter the building through 14th St. There are security checks at each entrance and a metal detector.

Side note: The proctors were kind. For some bizzare reason on guy came up to the proctor and said he had no pencil... They gave him three pencils. One girl said she was freezing during the break, however, you are not supposed to access your coat since it was outside the test testing room so someone brought her coat in.

I'm 100% supportive of 7Sage and I believe the law school prep will be well worth peoples' time and money. Aren't there already books to prepare you for law school, such as the Short & Happy Guide to (torts, property etc)? Does anyone have experience using these books?

I'm interested in knowing if people have looked into alternatives and if those are already great resources, or if they're missing some critical points of the law.

Anyhow I'm going to the 7Sage course anyways and thank you 7Sage for providing another resource for us :)

Has anyone taken the LSAT at the Sofitel hotel in Midtown NY? What was your experience like?

Hi guys! This is my first post here and my first LSAT course.

My original diagnostic was a 158. I took the October 2019 LSAT and scored a 164, though my PTs were averaging in the 167s towards the end. I have decided to retake the LSAT in August 2020 in the hopes of breaking into the 170s; due to some family issues I have only now gotten back into studying for the LSAT. Is it a stretch to think I can get into the mid 170s in only 5 months? Right now, I can devote a majority of my days to studying, but I will start working within the next two months. What is a realistic schedule I can set for myself? Obviously I plan on primarily using the 7sage course, but I also bought the LSAT Trainer, Logic Games Bible from Powerscore, and LR/RC from Manhattan Prep. I'm not really sure how to incorporate these into my studying. Any help or advice is appreciated!! Thanks!

One of the biggest barriers to getting the points on questions associated with curvebreaker stimuli and passages is understanding what the heck is going on in the text. Just like you need to understand how the rules of a game function/interact before going to into the ACs, you also need to understand the argument and concepts discussed in a stimulus or passage; otherwise, it's like shooting in the dark when you move into the ACs. Sometimes, I think we take the importance of up-front comprehension for granted. So, I wanted to broach the question to you all: what concrete strategies and/or tools do you use when you come across a complex, abstract text to understand/comprehend that text?

Here are some examples of the tools that I've found helpful/useful:

-translating the stimulus by condensing the language and making it conversational

-drawing out/visualizing

-thinking of examples and plugging them in to the world of the stimulus/passage

I'd love to hear what strategies and tools others use! Please share below :)

Can you upgrade to the ultimate package somehow if you’re already grandfathered into the starter package ?

I cannot find the Eliminating Attractor Answer Choices webinar. Can you please advise how can I access it?

Thanks

7Sage Community,

I came to you all optimistic, wide eyed, and confident that I would ace the LSAT.

That being said, I’m sure as most of you found out quickly, the journey comes with bumps and bruises that showed me how difficult this test really is.

I have worked 40-50 hours every week, got engaged, and got married ALL while studying for the test. I could not have gotten there without the help and support of you all.

I finished my LSAT career on top, 154. To put this in perspective, on my first prep test attempt I didn’t even make it out of the first logic game. I didn’t get more than 5 questions right for LR, and RC left me bewildered at how someone could read so much info so quickly. To go from that place to a 154...I will take it all day everyday.

I’m sure that many will read this and say go for a higher score again, but I am at peace. I studied for a year and a half for this test on my own and with a 7Sage approved tutor (Dave Binghamton, shout out to my dude). There is nothing left to give and that’s okay, some make 170’s...but I made a 154. Damn proud of that sucker too!

I recently finished up writing my Personal Statement and Diversity Statement with the help of the 7Sage Admissions team (Shout out to Selene Steelman). HIGHLY recommend that, if you have the funds, go buy the unlimited edits package. Great deal and even better help!

I start my applications the day they come open, so for many that will be September 1. Not only do I feel confident in my abilities to get into a great law school, but I know I will have a fighting chance thanks to you 7Sage.

Stay humble y’all.

Sincerely & Appreciatively Yours,

Jonah Chadwick Griego

I am signed up for the LSAT 27 days from now, I scored a 142 this past October, the previous time i took the test was the October before that and i recieved a 141. Now today I took a Prep Test and my score is still 142. To get into one of my schools of choice, the dean of the school said i would need about a 146 or 147. I have been practicing for 3-5 hours every weekday since January 1st. But my score refuses to go up. I'm stuck and i have no clue where to go from here. Every time i score the same as before my confidence takes a shot. I feel hopeless. I redid 50% of the core curriculum and am going to continue the rest of it, but my LR hasn't improved. My Blind review gets worse sometimes, and i never feel as if i got the answer wrong in the first place. All of my sections are roughly the same score 11ish maybe 12 right in a section. What is my course of action. I'm taking the test no matter what, but is it too late to make improvements to my score

So, I never actually took a “cold” diagnostic test. I have just recently joined started using 7sage and feel like I’ve wasted the last month and a half of how I’ve been studying. I used LSATMAX for about a month and during that time, got a 148 diagnostic without a sufficient understanding for really any section.

About 2 weeks later I took another diagnostic and got a 152. I was feeling a little bit more confident on each section (especially LR) and definitely improved, but I still didn’t feel as confident as I should have.

My problem is, I have recently made the switch to 7sage because I just thoroughly don’t enjoy the teaching methods of LSATMAX, and I also have just heard great things about 7sage. So, I guess my question is, should I look at my starting score as a 152? Or should it be more around the 148? I’m only asking because I see frequently that people say most students increase their score by 8-12 points, and with my target score being a 160, knowing what to call my “starting score” will either give me some reassurance that it’s possible, or realizing that it may not be in reach.

I am also just kind of curious on if I should skip over certain lessons on 7sage that I know I have a decent understanding in? Mainly, sufficient and necessary. I drilled this a ton and feel like I know a lot about it (sufficient word indicators and necessary word indicators etc) so I feel like I should dedicate more time to the actual question types.

I am also really concerned with the study schedule. It seems impossible for me at this point in my life to study for 30 hours a week when I am currently still in school. I’ve typically done about 10-15 hours a week, just depending on how much homework I have over the weekends.

Sorry for the lengthy post, just super stressed:(

I have read a lot of forums on the lawstudents.ca site and I can't see too many people in a situation similar to mine. I definitely don't see many people admitted anywhere with a GPA as low as mine, so may be that's my answer.

I'm a mature student, I will have 7 years full time professional work experience in an advancing role by the time of application. I have a BScN Hons degree with 3.0 gpa on a 4.0 scale. I will have 5 years experience with monthly court room appearance representing the interests of a maximum secure forensic hospital. I also have a background as an RN working as a Team Leader on a forensic unit. I will have strong LORs, one from a previous professor who knows me well and I got an 87 in her patho class, one from my current manager and one from a Crown Attorney that I appear in court with on a monthly basis.

I have an official LSAT of 158. I am writing again in April with the hopes of raising that score to at least 160, however that's theoretical at this point. I'm also a realist and I think around 160 is probably the "best" I'll be able to manage in my current circumstance, so ya a 165 or 170 would be great but lets not go there.

Given my current score and other information what do ya'll think my chances are for any Canadian schools? I'm an Ontario resident although I would have no problem relocating since even Ontario school are many hours from my current home.

Thanks all for ready and for offering your realistic views :)

Just wondering if there were any tutors on here anyone would recommend.

Hey 7sagers,

Been on this community for sometime – reading peoples posts, getting help, etc. 7sage is by far one of the best LSAT content out there. Since I have been scoring in the 160s, I wanted to give back to the community. I am deciding to now do free online tutoring/lsat coaching.

Before reading below, mind my spelling as I am in a rush typing this LOL

My LSAT journey:

About Me: To sum it up – I am busy!!!

Why am I doing this? ….

The Challenge: Trust me when I say this - I KNOW THE GRIND LOL. I know the tears….ripping up paper….. the feeling of throwing your tablet on the floor (but understanding shit you need it to type up your masters assignment)…feeling like you cant do it… giving up and never wanting to hear the four letter word LSAT….its real and I know it. However, for me… my wife has always been my number 1 supporter and has kept me a float all the time. I remember crying in her arms one time when I started a long time back– but at that point I didn’t really understand the LSAT and the LSAT world LOL… I come from a brown/desi family of over achievers. We are all perfectionists – people who on the first try get and achieve what they want. But, for me the LSAT wasn’t that and my perfectionism was killing me. My family didn’t really understand what the LSAT was. I am not going to even start to say what my in laws thought LOL. I remember my brother just telling me “bro just do PTs and get this done with” – only if they knew what the LSAT world is about. I remember the first time when I thought to consider LSAT tutoring – I was like “me… the guy who tutors for a living, really?” I understand the stigma and mental burden around asking people for help – sometimes it sucks, but sometimes its needed. To me the LSAT is a sport – just like any competition there is levels to it (the 170s people know what I mean). Just like any sport, people have coaches, mentors, teachers to show them the ropes, tips and tricks, etc. similarly, the LSAT is the same. I know how expensive and financially challenging this entire process can be. I know the financial aspect can be barrier for many. Tutoring can be expensive… so yeah. I am not sure if any of this relates LOL but I am sure it will ring the bell for some.

Better myself: At the end day, when I am helping you out, my LSAT knowledge improves.

How’d it work?

Preference:

If you are interested, DM me and will go from there!

Hey guys,

I made and posted this wrong answer journal in the r/lsat group (https://www.reddit.com/r/LSAT/comments/fefjzq/wrong_answer_journal/) it really helps me to analyze a question I got wrong and forces me to spend time on it even if im being lazy. it has done wonders for me.

message me if you can't download it from there.

k bye

Does anyone have a drilling schedule they used/found helpful? Currently going through the pre-made problem sets that 7Sage offers in their entirety, not sure if there's a better approach. Anything helps. Thanks!

I was thinking that having a customizable timer for problem sets would add tremendous value, specifically for doing timed LR sections. As it stands you can't take a 35 minute timed LR section if you build your own problem set (unless there's some way that i'm not privy to), which would be really beneficial. Is this a possibility/consideration for future modifications? @studentservice

Hi Folks:

Some of you may not know how to properly blind review. What better way to learn than from a seasoned LSAT Sage?

Or perhaps you just want a different perspective on how to tackle LR questions, or want some constructive feedback on your LR process. Whatever the case may be, please feel free to join me as we blind review PT 65 LR Section 1 next Saturday

When:

Saturday March 7th 3PM-5PM Eastern I will be hosting a blind review session for PT 65 LR Section 1 LR

What to do to prepare:

Complete PT 65 Section 1 but DO NOT mark it. Come prepared to talk about the questions you had difficulty with and to walk through your thought process with me.

Platform: Zoom!

Link here: https://zoom.us/j/383280821

Hey guys, I'm looking to take the June / July test, and I'm unsure how I should distribute my PTs in the months leading up to the test.

I've been very focused on timed drills for the past 2 months to get my accuracy where I want it to be, and started taking full PTs a few weeks ago. I've mainly focused on the late 30s so I can save up the recent PTs, though I have taken two from the 70s to acclimate to the changes that people seem to have noticed.

I realize that I'm not too far away from the test, and I'm starting to think simply working up chronologically might not be a good idea (3 months is clearly not enough time to get every PT in). I'm taking 3-4 PTs a week right now. How do you guys suggest I approach choosing which PTs to take? Should I work on only the odd/evens for every 10 PT?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

P.S. Do you guys find the 30s and the 70s to be vastly different? I'm not picking up on much differences (except RC), but that may be due to the fact that I've only really taken two of the 70s.

Has anyone taken the exam at Rutgers New Brunswick somewhat recently or at all? If so, what was your

experience?

I am only able to see account extension for a period of one month. Can we no longer extend account access for multiple months at a time? Or is that just me?

Thank you.