For those who received accommodations for additional time, how are you studying for it? With work, it's nearly impossible to fit an entire full length exam in. So I'm basically doing a section a day and reviewing it. However, I fear I'm not taking into account how draining the duration of the exam may be. How can I better prepare for this? Any advice is welcomed, thanks!

Hey 7-Sagers! I'm applying to law schools and am hoping to land somewhere in the T-14. I have a 3.87 LSAC GPA and 163 LSAT score as a Hispanic URM (the LSAT has been a tough journey for me lol). I also feel like I have a strong PS/DS and resume. Although I'm below some of the T-14's medians, do I still have a shot at the T-14s? Should I wait until next cycle and try to bump that LSAT up? Thanks for any advice!

Hi! I'm trying to break a 170 for the November exam, but am currently stuck in the mid-160s. The November test will be my last chance at applying this cycle. I am currently a college senior and definitely planning on taking a year to work, whether I apply this cycle or next. What are the benefits of applying to law school this cycle and deferring for one year versus taking the LSAT at a later date (maybe January or later) and applying next cycle?

All,

Quick question about the test proctor available through the 7Sage app.

I have “real time” set to 33 mins but the app’s analog clock runs until from 0-35 mins. Is the clock sped up to make it “really” 33 mins or am I just taking a 35 min section?

Hi. I'm an international and I took the October test in Asia today.

Score cancellation was never an option, until this afternoon after I stepped out of the testing room feeling absolutely defeated.

I took my first LSAT in June after 3 months of study and got 161. From then on I drilled through most of the PTs except for the very recent ones (PT 80 onward), scoring in the range of 162-169. I felt better prepared and so decided to retake this month.

The exam was a lot more challenging than I expected, definitely so compared to the recent PTs I've been practicing with. I didn't make any Scantron mistakes, finished every section in time and bubbled in all the answers. But of course, having finished every section in time doesn't mean that I nailed each of them. I am pretty convinced that I bombed an LR section, for which I circled around 7 questions and had to take a wild guess on 2-3 of them. LG has always been my strong suit, but today I got stuck with a grouping question and had to guess 3 questions. As for RC, I don't feel so confident either - don't think I ruined it but I definitely could've done better.

My target score is 166+. It was my plan to apply this cycle, but I can wait a year and apply next cycle if I must.

I'm considering cancelling my score because I heard that law schools tend to view multiple scores negatively. I would wait for the results if it was my first go at LSAT, but seeing that this is my 2nd test I can't afford to take chances. Trying to gauge all the possibilities before I make a big decision.

So, here are some questions I wanted to ask:

Please excuse the poor writing. I would appreciate honest opinions.

Thanks.

Hi everyone,

Is there anyone out there who primarily practiced with 4 section PTs, took the actual LSAT, and wished they had practiced with 5 sections? In other words, did taking the actual lsat throw anyone off due to it containing an extra section?

I know in the course J.Y. says something about 4 section tests being sufficient and that the adrenaline of test day will help you get through 5 sections. Can anyone confirm this through experience? Of course it will be different for each person. I don’t want to canabalize a fresh PT just to simulate 5 sections, but think it may be in my best interest. Maybe a half and half approach would be smart?

Hello!

I hope your studying is going well. I have taken 5 PTs post CC and have not been able to get my actual score up to my BR score. My actual score is usually in the low to mid 160s, but my BR is usually between 170 and 175. I am taking the November test and was wondering if you guys had any tips for getting the score closer.

Every 10 or so PTs I just get slapped with a 10 or even 15 points below average score. Seriously. Does this happen to anyone else? I don't even really know how it happens, maybe a confluences of bad circumstances, but all in all, it's an extremely curious experience.

This time, in particular, I think part of it was because of the stress. I had promised to record and show people a full 5 section PT, to both give them a different perspective and get feedback, and I think part of me felt pressured to do really well. I wanted to prove myself, because I've always had a -10 decrease from my PT average when taking the real LSAT, and felt like maybe I was a fraud. Because of this doubt, like a self-fulfilling prophecy, I had a restless night, and got sick.

And at last, I proved myself to be a fraud. It felt really uncomfortable to have this fear, and to have an experience confirm this fear. Even though my average score tells me otherwise, I can still honestly believe my fears have come true. I start to think that maybe my previous 5 or 10 tests were the outliers and that my real abilities are truly reflected solely in this one test. This is probably a form of cognitive dissonance, and it freaks me out. Since then, I've taken another PT, and it was at a formal setting, with other 7sagers. So I know it is a legit score, and my score immediately jumped back up to my previous average. Deep down, I am still confident in my capabilities and my ability to overcome this fear, but there's now a constant little feeling clawing at the back of my mind.

I honestly view this as a very revealing and positive experience, because I've realized perhaps my biggest weakness: severe performance anxiety. I now have a clear goal, and like Ray Dalio says, terrible is better than mediocre. Moving forward, I will be recording myself and showing it to others again. Hopefully it will help me get over this nagging thought in my mind. Thanks for reading.

Ok so long story short, I took the LSAT last year and I ended up not being ready for it and took it either way. I ended up keeping my score and it really was not even close to what I'm actually aiming for. Other than the fact that I made a bad mistake in keeping the score (I should have just declined it) I am now stuck with it. I am taking the January 26th 2019 test, two applications (schools) on my list are due on February 1st and February 15th. Is there a way to notify the schools that although my application shows one LSAT score, there is a second one coming? I am afraid of getting outright denied admission because they only see one score (which is a very low score in comparison to what the school is looking for) because the second tests' score will be coming out after the schools deadline. Can they pause my application even though i already have one score on it to wait for the second one?????? Or do I have to wait until next year????

i feel like there's no way i can keep up the study pace i've been at for 5 more weeks until the test, but i don't want to backslide the progress i've made thus far.

tips for staying focused/motivated? useful drills to keep skills sharp?

Hi y'all,

Although I have temporarily stopped PTing and am fully committed to drilling games/passages for now, this occurred to me while sharpening my pencils earlier today: how many pencils do you use for each PT? Do you prepare at least 5 so that at the beginning of each section, you pull out a freshly sharpened pencil? Or do you use one for the first 2/3 sections? Since I notate relatively heavily on RC passages, I need a sharp tool at the beginning of each RC section but I would also like to know how others go about this.

:)

Hey guys, I don't know why I'm making this thread. But I just bombed another logic game set, and wanted to remark how really tired and burned out I am from studying.

With the November test about a month and a week away, really feeling the drag now.

If those of you who's taking the November test feel the same, you have a company in me. Cheers! Haha.

Hi all,

I’ve been stuck in the high 160s/low 170s for a while now; my average for the last 10 PTs I’ve taken is a 171. I’m typically -0 or -1 on logic games, -2 to -4 on LR and RC.

Does anyone have any advice for how to make that jump to getting those last few questions right?

I've been a member of 7sage for a while, just lurking the forums. I'm an international student and scheduled to take the October LSAT this Sunday. I've been PTing for a few months now, and my scores have been really erratic and not in my goal range. I'm also scheduled to take the November exam, and I'm going to try for the January one too if I don't make the score I want (lhigh 160-low 170).

My concern is this is my second take, and the first time I took the test I went in underprepared and got a 157.

Would it hurt my chances for admission if I got two low scores, even if I improved and got a higher score in the future tests? If so, should I sit in for the exam and cancel afterwards? The deadline to withdraw was weeks ago so I don't think I have that as an option.

Help :(

I think I have a problem accessing videos. Does anyone else have this problem at the moment?

Hello, I decided to postpone the September exam and have been taking 2 PTs a week, starting with the older exams. Since a month ago, I've seen a significant score increase from the early 160s to 170s. I've been scoring 170-174 on the past 5 exams (PT 41-58), but today I gave PT 67 a shot and my score dropped back down to the low 160s. I think it may be because I'm not as familiar with the nuances of the newer exams? Maybe the nerves? I noticed that I missed the easier, single digit questions for the last LR section, which is usually not the case. If anyone has advice regarding transitioning from the older exams to the newer ones, I'd very much appreciate it. Thank you.

Hey all,

I bought another course before I bought 7Sage. In that course, the day before the practice/real LSAT was a scheduled off day. I have been using that scheme but have wondered if it really is optimal. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume there is no single best way, as I'm sure different ways may work for different people.

If anyone would like to share how you schedule your days off, and maybe a little explanation on why that works for you, I would love to hear.

Thanks in advance to all who share.

Is it just me or is everyone else's drill packs down?

I have not given the LSAT a second thought since getting my September score, however it popped back up today. I went on a field trip with my daughter’s school to an Indian mound historical site. The introductory video talked about the early impact of corn in their society. I immediately wondered what impact it had on their tooth health (Dental Caries) and whether soybeans would have been a better option (team #soybeans).

Hey guys, so doing preptests, I've noticed for vast majority, the games 1 and 2 are the easier ones and games 3 and 4 the harder ones.

From what I've seen, the 1st game is usually a 1-level, the 2nd game generally 2-level, game 3 being 3-level or 4-level or 5-level (mostly 4-level), and game 4 being 4- or 5- level difficulty (mostly 5-level).

Sometimes there's an exchange in the level of difficulty between games 3 and 4 as well, it seems.

Is this trend generally true? For those of you who have taken real, actual LSAT recently, would you say this is pretty accurate?

If this is still true for recent tests, I want to make sure I can try to quickly knock out the first 2 games, so I can focus on games 3 and 4. I don't want to make the mistake of skipping around (and wasting time) trying to figure out which games are easier and which are the hard ones during the real test.

Thanks!

AMA with 7Sage alum Allison Gill Sanford (HLS '19) hosted by J.Y. Ping

Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 8 p.m.–9 p.m. EDT

Allison Gill Sanford ( @allison.gill.sanford ), a current 3L at Harvard Law School, will be returning to 7Sage to answer your law-school-related questions!

After studying with 7Sage, Allison scored a 173 and hosted many webinars (such as “Strategies for 170+ Prep,”“Public Interest Careers & Resources,”and “Skip it! Skipping Strategies Panel”) as a Sage (170+ scorer).

This time, she will answer the question on everyone's mind: “What's law school really like?”

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Hi all!

I wanted to reach out and ask if any students scoring in the 150's need tutoring.

I started out at a 138 and am now scoring in the mid 160's with the following stats: -3-6 LR, -3-6 RC, and -0-4 LG.

During blind review, I'm consistently scoring in the 170's: -0-2 LR, -0-1 RC, and -0 LG.

I can meet Tuesdays from 5:30-6:30 pm PST, Thursdays 5:30-6:30 pm PST, and on Saturdays from 2-6 pm PST.

I'm happy to tutor for free (Full disclosure: This would be my first time tutoring people for LSAT).

I have been attending the study group calls since June and I've gotten good feedback about my contribution.

Please feel free to message me and we can coordinate schedules. :)

i've noticed that when I print PT's from 7sage, the font is smaller than the PT's in the LSAC 10 Test books.

Did anyone else experience a similar thing?

I've had to experiment enlarging the print (to like 110%) in an effort to try to match the font size of the LSAC 10 test book PT's.

Is this just something wrong with my print settings?

Thanks.

I was wondering if i was doing a timed section/full test if whether it makes sense to bubble now, given the changes in Fall 2019.

If am i taking in the digital era and its a simple click, should i just circle my selection now and tally it up afterward (post blind-review circle).

It is always preached to mimic test-day like conditions and i think this new way of just circling is better than bubbling.

Hi everyone,

I recently just took my first fully timed PT after completing the CC. I did not take a diagnostic test so I don't know how much I would have improved by. I got a 152 on PT 37 with a BR of 166. My section breakdown is as follows:

Section 1 RC: -6 / BR: -4

Section 2 LR: -12 / BR: -6

Section 3 LG: -11 / BR: -0

Section 4 LR: -10 / BR: -4

I'm disappointed with this score, as I was hoping it would be closer to 160. I have fool-proofed 1-35 by individual game and am working on finishing the FPing 1-35 by sections. For the past several days leading up to the test I was going -3 or less on logic game sections. During the PT I finished logic games on time, but I think I was so stressed out with the clock that I made dumb errors on easy questions.

During the BR process the games seemed much easier and the inferences really stood out to me, maybe since I was more relaxed with no clock. To fix the issue I plan on continuing to FP 1-35 by section and the new games I complete as I do PTs.

For LR I feel like I know how to solve each question type, but the time constraint + mental exhaustion seems to bring my score down. When I BR LR I can quickly and clearly see why my answer was wrong. (except for some 4 and 5 star questions).

Honestly I don't really have a strategy for RC, although I have been practicing with the LRS method.

The somewhat good news is that my goal score is 165 so at least I know I am theoretically capable of scoring in that range. I don't plan on applying until September 2019 so I have plenty of time and 4-5 attempts to take the test.

I plan on using Analytics to hammer out all my weak areas for LR.

Is there anything else I can do to decrease the stress when I take a fresh PT? I would assume my familiarity with taking PTs will lower my stress after a while.

Does anyone have any advice on how to best improve? I have watched the Post-cc Webinar and plan on implementing all the strategies offered. I would imagine I probably just have to serve my time now as it relates to drilling, intensives, FPing, and BRing.