Hi all! Is anyone planning on going to the WCC Law fair held in SF this weekend?

Also, few general law fair questions: Is this a biz casual affair or am I pulling a Jessica from Suits? Should I bring my resume? What type of questions do they expect candidates to ask? If you went to a law fair, was it helpful for you? And most importantly, do they give out fee waivers at the table?

What is your plan of attack? How many PTs a week, drilling, daily schedule, books you will read to help with RC (even non-LSAT related), meditation/motivational YouTube videos, be as specific as you'd like!

I'll go first!

I am taking a week long break after the September 8th LSAT. The first week of studying I will drill question types I consistently missed on my last 4 or 5 PTs to get my momentum back.

Starting week 2 is when I will begin my humbling, soul sucking yet grateful for it, etc. schedule:

Take 1 PT - every Saturday (PT 70-80s),

BR - Sunday

Review - Monday & Tuesday and then tally up again question types

Drill -Wednesday & Thursday

Up in the air - Friday either relax or if I don't feel exhausted I will do 2 practice sections timed and review (PTs 50-60s and above)

I have learned from this prep that I read frantically from anxiety. I also catch myself having random thoughts during my PTs, even when I want to focus. So, I end up missing a lot of low hanging fruit questions. My plan of attack is to learn how to be in the moment and to re-focus/center my thoughts.

Prep for mental health:

Monday-Friday morning: meditation 10-15mins (hopefully I don't fall asleep and wake up 2 hours later...)

One random day out of the week I will use my ClassPass to take a yoga class

Hi Guys, so I'm very curious about this factor since I'm not from the States

and really don't know how the LGBT+ members are doing out there.

I've read a dreadful article about a gay law student attempting suicide and am very shocked, worried and so on.

I have little knowledge of how the situation and the societal circumstances are for the LGBT+ students

and their future careers in law.

Is it a disadvantage for applying to law schools and getting a job after graduation?

Does discrimination againts it exist among the classmates and co-workers?

and is it more harsh in certain states or schools?(e.g. religious schools..)

Please give me some light! help me!

Hi all,

Does anyone have any recommendations for 7Sage tutors in the L.A. area? I may be open to tutoring via Skype (or other platforms) but would prefer in-person tutoring. My weakest section is the RC section. I am most comfortable with LG and typically do well on LR but often find myself second guessing and choosing a trap answer choice. Thanks in advance!

Hey guys, is it generally true of the 2 LR sections in the test, one section is harder than the other one? I find that I tend to do better in one LR section than the other one. And when I am doing the test, one LR section I find reasonable. Then I do the other LR section, and I think, wow this one is significantly harder. Wondering if anyone else has similar experience.

Hi everyone! I was scheduled to take the September LSAT but decided I truly wasn’t ready for it and decided to do something I have been contemplating for a while taking a gap year, it wasn’t in the plans and I hate to deviate but realized to get the best out of law school career as well as being a lawyer this isn’t something I can rush. In any case does anyone who has taken a gap year or pushed back their LSAT date have any advice on how to manage my time and study and since I’m still in school, my last year, how I should handle my load as well as applying? Also, should I start over to be sure I fully grasp the concepts if I feel I missed out or continue where I left off and see after some practice exams where I need to focus? Upgrading plan, was that something anyone did? I currently have the premium and I am thinking of upgrading to Ultimate. Any help would be greatly appreciated, because while I realize a year will help it will most likely go quickly and I need to gain as much as I can out of this time or it will be a waste. Sorry for the many questions but I want to start off on the right track.

I made a schedule for post CC and am planning on doing 2 PTs per week. What do you guys think would be the best?

Does anyone share this opinion? The hosts are far too dogmatic regarding their advice...it's very strange to me for reasonable people to be so dogmatic - about reading the stem first, about whether "principle" questions exist, about whether "most strongly supported questions" are the same as "Must be true" questions, about timing strategies, and more. I can understand having preferences for how to approach the test, but it often seems like they take unreasonably strong stances on issues more as a pedagogic technique to get people to approach the test in the way that they think best, whereas if they were being purely reasonable they would recognize the potential benefits of alternate approaches even if ultimately they advise against them. It's also very strange that they basically write off 7sage PURELY because they recommend stem first on LR - they've gone as far as to say they can't trust any curriculum that gives that advice. That line of reasoning seems so clearly flawed that they must know it's unreasonable.

I am an ultimate+ user, but I cannot figure out how to print out PT 1-35. I want to practice writing on RC and LG. Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks.

Today at the test center, I met a few old friends, and to my surprise, half of them were doing the Khan Academy prep. They told me they were PTing 170+ after 2 months with KA, which was another surprise even though they were smart guys. I read a bunch of old posts about Khan Academy, but that was the Beta, and not too many people got far into the program. Does anyone have any updated info on the course?

I read from some posts here ibuprofen/Advil/Tylenol is okay to bring on test day. This may be a dumb question, but are caffeine pills in a small medicine bottle allowed or not?

Hi! I am back and forth between purchasing a package with 7 sage, just wondering what some opinions are on here? I love the youtube logic game videos, but I just wanted some feedback. Any thing will help!!! Thanks!

Hi all,

I got my PhD in Electrical and computer engineering and currently doing my postdoc in biomedical. I took LSAT Sep 2017 without any preparation and scored 137. I started to study for LSAT for about 5 months. I also took the power score classes in addition to 7 Sage. I studied all the materials and took most of the PTs. I also started to read books in train or bus, to improve my reading skills. In 2018 I scored 153. That was very discouraging to me. I wanted to give up but I still believe there should be a method for us as non- native to pass this exam. What I learned is I am not fast reader which I need to be. I know the principles but I am always short in time and this issue is very bold in RC. I will never get to finish more than 2 passages in RC. I can read science passages better than the others. When it comes to humanities or history,... I am the most dumb person ever :( I cant read and understand at the same time. Mostly, I need to read twice a passage to get the point. In LR, in the best case, I will miss last 3-4 questions. LR is better than RC because the questions are short and I wont loose the track. I can finish the games better than other sections.

If I want to try in one more time (I guess that is the last time I will try) in June 2019, what you will suggest? What else can I read/practice? How long each day should I study for LSAT?

I appreciate ant thought.

Hello,

I experienced some setbacks when trying to get an LSAT score in for the 2019 cycle. I think Im just going to shoot for the 2020 cycle, BUT I just want to know what is the absolute last test I could take to get into Fall 2019? Is it November or January?

Does anyone else have experience with test center complaints?

There was some orientation event for first year engineers in the lobby of where I was writing. The level of noise was absurd. We could hear people chanting, screaming and playing music for the almost the entirety of section 3 and part of section 4. After the break the proctor told us that we could file a complaint, but would it even be worth it? (apparently your score gets delayed)

I will definitely be rewriting in November at a different location, and am extremely disappointed because this disrupted my ability to concentrate for nearly two sections.

How strange is it to go back to a life free from the confines of law passages and grouping games.

This morning when I got up, I made myself a cup of coffee and immediately went to sit down at my desk with a HB2 pencil in hand before eerily realizing I had no material to prep.

What is the meaning of life now?

How does one go from obsessively drilling parallel flaw questions one day to just binge-watching 4 hours of parks and rec the next?

Are drake and kanye really cool again? Has ye really forgotten about those kim remarks?

At the gym today, a fellow broski used the phrase ‘but not otherwise’ in conversation with me. I immediately went into a trance and spent the next 30 seconds trying to figure out which of the 4 available benches he could go on.

The mixture of concern, confusion and disgust on his face perfectly mirrored my outlook towards the now vacant LSAT-shaped hole in my heart.

Is soy really better than corn?

...Will I ever love?

My thoughts go out to my fellow 7Sagers suffering from post-LSAT blues.

Proctors: Very good about giving the five minute warning and reading instructions. No complaints.

Facilities: SUPER NICE. I've heard that people in the past who have taken it here had a crappy experience with desks, etc. but this test was administered in the business school instead of the law school so it was all brand new. I'm not sure if this is a permanent change or not.

What kind of room: Sort of a small/medium auditorium style classroom.

How many in the room: 20-30

Desks: Long table desks with three people at a desk/table with one empty seat between each tester.

Left-handed accommodation: See above.

Noise levels: One proctor got up to use the restroom during the test, so we heard the door open and shut, but nothing other than that one incident.

Parking: Free parking in a garage adjacent to the testing building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: Exam started right around 9

Irregularities or mishaps: None

Other comments:

Would you take the test here again? Definitely!

Date[s] of Exam[s]: September 8th 2018

I would like to first note that I am not looking to cancel my score nor am I looking to getting anyone in trouble. I simply am looking to get proof for prospective law schools of the conditions I had to go through in taking this particular LSAT.

Before the exam started (so during the "bubble in your name" period) I raised my hand to ask if I could go to the restroom. I was not aware nor told of being unable to leave the room for the restroom during this time, but to be safe I asked a proctor of this. The proctor said that I can, led me out of the room and pointed me to the restroom. And so I went, obviously thinking that it must have been okay to do this.

But from returning to the test room (still during the "bubble in your name" period) a different proctor stopped me, told me that I wasn't allowed to leave the room during this time, and said that he would report me to LSAC. Expectedly I was shocked and confused, since another proctor had told me a minute ago otherwise.

Still in a confused, shocked, and frankly frightened state (as I had no idea what a report would do to my future) I had to take the first three sections of the LSAT. While it is hard to blame or prove that all of my anxiety came from this event, I most certainly couldn't concentrate as much as I wanted with thoughts about possibly not being able to be a lawyer ever lingered and hindered my logical reasoning.

During the break I went up to the proctor who said that he would report me. He told me that, as another proctor had told me that I could leave the room, that he would NOT report me. While this was good news, I'm sure you can understand my frustration from not doing as well on the first three sections as I hoped to do over what ultimately ended up to be nothing.

Once again, I am not looking to blame anyone or to have my LSAT score cancelled (or held for that matter). I would, however, like to have my struggle and condition in taking this LSAT realized and would like some sort of proof (a letter?) of this so that law schools can realize that this LSAT score may not be reflective of my abilities.

...is what I'm thinking of sending. Thoughts? (I'm sort of worried that maybe the LSAC would consider me leaving the room, despite a proctor clearly letting me do this, a reason to have my score cancelled)

Hey guys, for those who have taken the LSAT at a major/big university, is this generally better or worse than taking it, say at a community college/smaller university?

When I take paper based exams, I like having large desk space to work on. I imagine for tests at a big university, I'm sure there are a lot of people sitting for the exam, so I would presume they make you take the test at a big lecture hall? But lecture halls usually have those tiny, fold-out desks, which would really suck to take the LSAT on.

Also, I just found out the university where I was planning to take the exam at, will have a home football game that Saturday in November (it's a Pac-12 big school). Do you guys think the noise factor will be something I should consider if deciding to choose this site (even though the test is in the morning, I'm sure the campus will be abuzz with students/parents/people, etc)?

My stats:

144, 147, waiting on September results, I’m predicting anywhere between 149-151.

It sucks because going into the Sept exam i was averaging 153 and felt confident, but i ran out of time and didn’t bubble 3-4 questions in one section, and guessed on one whole game.

Would it look good to retake in November? Should I maybe cancel this September exam and retake November?

I’m leaning towards not canceling since I’m sure I did better that a 147.

Any help would be appreciated :)

Saturday still feels like a nightmare to me. It was like one of those dreams where you’re being chased but you have 200 pound legs and can’t runaway.

My first attempt at the LSAT, in February didn’t fare well... but that was due to lack of proper preparation. This time, I was very well prepared... having scored in the lower 160’s my last 5 PT’s (quite the improvement from my embarrassing 149 in Feb). I was fully expecting a 160, or at worst a 158-159.

I’m afraid of what my score will be for this one. I’ve gone through the math in my head and feel like best case scenario I got 65 questions right, worst case could be well below 60.

My question is how bad will a cancellation look next to my bad score on record in comparison to a score that’s not that much better? I’m leaning pretty hard towards cancelling just because I know there’s no way I came anywhere near what I’ve been doing on PT’s the last two months.

Hi, guys so I need a little advice on what I should do after this September LSAT. Here's a bit of background, I took my first LSAT Sep 2017 I scored a 161, I had been doing better on my PT's so I tried again in December and scored a 160. After December I decided to try again and take a gap year on my applications, this was when I decided to try 7-sage for my prep as I had previously stuck to powerscore methods. I tested again in July and ended up canceling. My issue with July was that I did not even attempt the last game, my game section was the first, and I think nerves got the better of me; all the other sections were great, but I knew that there was a substantial chance I completely bombed games. By this point in July, my PT average was between 167-172, when I took the June 2018 practice test I scored a 167. I figured that canceling in July was my best option as this was my first cancel, and I was using this cancel on what was an unusual LSAT. I decided to try again in September 2018. My impression of the Sep 2018 test was that it was quite similar to June 2018. The LR felt very easy; I had 5 min after each LR which is above the pace I usually keep. The LG felt normal except that I was running out of time at the end and I had to take an educated guess on one question and blindly guess on the last 3. The RC was terrible, I think I did great on the legal passage, but the other 3 were very confusing, RC is usually a -4/-5 for me, but this felt the hardest RC I a have ever encountered. Long story short I feel like worst case scenario I scored a 163, middle range a 166 and best case a 169. I don't want to cancel because I feel like two cancels back to back is a bit too much, but I also don't want to risk getting another low 160's score on my record. Any advice? Should I prepare for another retake if I get that another low 160? I was told that my best score is the score that will have the most significant impact on admissions and that contrary to popular belief schools do not average, but I know that multiple LSAT's are not necessarily favorably looked upon either.

I should also note that though I was not very nervous on test 85 (unlike previous times) the proctors gave me a hard time right before the start of the test because I had a watch on my wrist and one on the table. I usually use two watches as in the Sep and Dec 2017 administrations I forgot to start my only watch for some of the sections, which caused a lot of anxiety for me during the test. Having a watch on my wrist serves as a physical reminder as well as a continuous timepiece as I can see how much time has passed since the last section. I called LSAC in early August and they said it was fine as long as they were both analog watches. The proctors told me to take one off and berated me in front of the group for a while after the first section (right before I took RC) they came back and said that I could use the second watch, they didn't even offer a semblance of an apology. This incident just really ticked me off and I think may have led to a lack of full focus on RC.

Any advice is appreciated! Sorry for the long post, I spent the entire weekend thinking about this, and I guess I had a lot more to vent then I thought.

Hi everyone,

I am registered to take my first official LSAT in January of 2019 (assuming I am PTing in my target range). Is there any advice regarding why a person should not take a non-disclosed LSAT? I understand that non-disclosed means I will only receive my score and percentile. Is it worth it to take the LSAT for the first time without having access to what problems you missed? I feel like I will have a decent understanding of my weak areas before I test (Analytics), but if I do not hit my target score I will not have a clear way forward to see what I need to review. I plan on applying in September of 2019 so I am motivated to take the test as many times as I need to before then. Any thoughts?

Hey all,

So, during Saturday's sitting of the LSAT, I had one of those nightmare moments: with 90 seconds remaining in RC, I realized that I had misbubbled an entire passage. I had skipped the last question of the first passage and forgotten to note it. Then, when I began answering questions for passage 2, all of my answers were one off. Luckily, I opted to skip passage 3 and move straight to passage 4, so that managed to minimize the damage. When I came back to passage 3, I noticed something was off. I am fairly sure that my passage 3 answers are in the correct spot.

On the one hand, I feel quite fortunate to have noticed. I don't know how I did it, but I managed to change my answers, moving them all down one, riiiiiiight before time was called. On the other hand, because of how rushed I was, I'm not 100% sure I actually fixed everything. I'd say there's a 75% chance that I fixed it and a 25% chance it's still incorrect somehow, as due to the adrenaline, my memory of my thought process is a bit hazy.

When I started the next section, I was quite shaken but, thanks to lots of preparation, I was able to calm down and I feel like I did pretty well on the rest of the test.

I'm leaning towards keeping my score but I wanted to get some feedback from those more knowledgable than me in the 7sage community.

So, should I roll the dice and keep my score? I'm guessing I scored in high 160s/low 170s if things went my way and, if they didn't probably, I'm probably somewhere in the mid-to-low 160s still.

Ready to take a look at LSAT discussions now. Got poutine and movies lined up tomorrow.

What did you guys do to distress?