I plan on taking the the LSAT in June. My first score on a practice lsat was 140 (low, I know). I have self studied to the mid 150's and just started this program yesterday, praying it can get me in the 160's. I have a 3.7 undergrad gpa in elementary education (a joke, I know), military experience, and teaching experience. What I am trying to get at is, will a 160 with these other softs get me into ASU or a school near the same ranking?

Hi Everyone,

I started my LSAT prep with the LSAT Trainer and it's been a tremendous help. Over the course of doing drills and searching for explanations for correct answers online, I eventually came across 7Sage and found this awesome resource!

Many of you in the community seem to advocate for pairing the Trainer and 7Sage together. I def concur.

However, as I've been going through the CC, it seems JY recommends learning with material pre PT36 and then taking PTs for the next 50 plus LSATs.

My question is, Mike Kim's drills mostly come from PTs 52-60. If I drill with those, then technically, I would lose those 'PT opportunities' that JY recommends. Obviously, PTs are very precious and I don't want to waste them. But I'm also of the belief that there's no reason to start taking full PTs until I develop a solid enough understanding.

Did any of you run into this dilemma? How did you decide to navigate and what would you recommend I do?

FYI: I'm taking the test in June '18 so I still have 22 weeksish to go. Was planning to learn for a few more weeks then drill/PTs for the last 16 weeks or so.

Thanks in advance!!

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Just wondering if anyone created a list of the logical indicators and the 4 groups they belong in? Thanks

I took the December test, and prepped with the Powerscore Bibles. I'm retaking the test in Feb and am using 7 Sage now (and rereading Powerscore Bibles). Obviously time is an issue. Is reading the LSAT Trainer worthwhile at this point? Will there be much key advice that is 7sage or Powerscore doesn't touch on. I am studying like a lunatic right now and can squeeze it in. Just not sure if it's worth it. As always, any advice would be MUCH appreciate.

I applied to HLS with 25% LSAT and received an interview request. HLS later in the admissions cycle clarified that people who have taken both LSAT and GRE report both (even though it wasn't stated at the time of submitting application).

I took GRE couple of years ago cold not for LS. Since I assume interview is a positive sign, i am unsure and concerned that reporting sub-par GRE that I took without prep will negatively impact my application, esp as my LSAT is already below median and the feather that could tilt the scale.

GRE score is: 163 v (93%), 167 q (94%), 5.5 aw (95%)

Those who applied HLS with GRE scores, can you share the stats and how bad this GRE would be esp as their median LSAT is 99%?

I am apprehensive to take a PT because although I feel like I've gained a plethora of knowledge and skills I fear a low score or one close to my diagnostic. I think I'd be discouraged if my score hadn't changed much. But I like to think it has at least some. Should I just split my time for now between drilling LR & RC sections followed by BR, and also foolproofing the LGs? Or should I take a PT just to see where I'm at?

Hey all - I go back and forth on how I will realistically study and get my school work done when I start law school. I have a 7 and 4 year old and sometimes the "guilty mom" feelings creep in. My husband is supportive and said he would help out so long as we cut our budget since I won't be working during school. I just wonder, that even with his help, how much quality time will I really be spending with my kids? Going to school would mean very little to no after-school activities - at least for a little while. Guilt. It may mean someone else doing their homework with them and not me. Guilt. I want to go to law school so bad but is it worth it at the expense of my kids?? The guilt! This sucks.

So, I was wondering how the other moms and dads are doing it or will do it. Any advice or motivation are really appreciated.

Hey everyone,

I stumbled across 7Sage after it was mentioned in an LSAT curriculum I've been using. I've since been using the free trial and have been really impressed with the techniques and sense of community. Consequently, I've been flirting with upgrading to the Ultimate grade in order to continue developing my skills. At the same time, I've been looking at some other online courses that offer one-on-one guidance, which I suspect would be helpful in terms of accountability to make sure that my score continues to increase (currently, I'm usually scoring around 163-166 on my PTs). I've been studying for the LSAT since November, and I'm hoping to break the 170 threshold on the June test.

While I wouldn't consider myself to be lazy or a procrastinator, I know from when I completed my undergrad that I always excel in settings where camaraderie pushes me to be better. All that beings said, do people have some thoughts on whether they have found the 7Sage curriculum/community to push them to be consistent in their prep?

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Hi all, after taking in some words of advice from the 7sagers I have decided to take my fourth LSAT (yikes), knowing that my previous scores were far below my potential and that it would be a waste not take advantage of my relatively high GPA that I really worked hard for in college.

Now that I've made the hard decision, I'm a little lost as to how I should go about studying... If my PTs were around 173-174 but actual score 166, I believe that some of my fundamentals were shaky, but since my 7sage materials have all expired (happily thinking that my December would be my last LSAT ever), I'm not sure where I should turn to. I'm also not sure how I should approach PTs because I've pretty much seen all the PTs at least once, and am scared that just a more thorough BR would be insufficient to guarantee a higher score on my next exam. I've skimmed through my past BR notes/scrapbook to see where I was lacking when I went into the December exam, but I can't really get a good sense of my specific weaknesses (other than, being weak in NA/flaw questions, conditional arguments in general)... I'm so lost as to where I should begin...

Anyone have some words of wisdom for me?! :(

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I know my LR question types and strategy for them pretty well, but when i do PT LR sections i screw so many up! I often don't get to finish the last few questions either. Now the interesting part is that upon blind review im able to get the vast majority of these questions right, without taking forever. It's as if my brain doesnt fully abrosb what its reading when im doing tests!

If you have experienced something like this, please enlighten me on how you overcame it!

Hi Friends!

I am hoping for some advice.

My situation: I am a college senior who, due to unforeseen circumstances, only completed 1/2 of the CC last summer and hasn't looked at 7sage since September. Admittedly, I also struggled with the sheer volume of the problem sets in the Ultimate+ curriculum, which were exhausting and took hours to review. My diagnostic score was a 155, and with nearly all my wrong answers coming from LG, my goal is to score a 170+ on the June exam.

With all that said, I was wondering if any 7sagers could offer some advice as to my next steps. I have considered the following options:

1- Re-start the CC, doing less problem sets and only skimming material I've previously covered.

2 - Because 7sage encourages longer studying periods than ~ 5 months, I am tempted to go to Kaplan/PR who have 3-month models, and use 7sage as a supplement.

3 - Begin where I left off and review the CC if weaknesses arise when PTing, especially since my primary focus is LG.

Does anyone have thoughts on what I should do? Any of the above/something else? I am open to any advice (within reason lol). I know my goal is ambitious, but I'm going to try! Thank you :)

Is there a minimum amount of sections needed to “foolproof?” My type A is kicking in and I’m considerig fullproofing 50 plus logic sections. But is that much “needed?” I know obviously the more the better but I need to balance the other sections in time for the feb 10 test. Are there particular games, like pt 1-35 that are best to foolproof? Lastly, what is he Pacifico method? Thanks a lot. I feel lost with this ☹️

Hey everyone,

After completely bombing my September LSAT, I headed into December with more determination than ever and scored a 161 (10 points above what I scored in September!). Obviously that's huge progress and I was pretty happy, but I was aiming for 163 (and had been scoring around that range), so I knew that I would have to re-write in Feb. and squeeze out a few extra points. My LG on December was -3, but I've normally been going -0/-1, LR was -16 and RC was -7 so I know there's a lot of areas I can be targeting in order get 2-3 more questions right in February.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I should proceed these next 5 weeks? The biggest mistake I made in September was burning myself out, and in December I couldn't sleep the night before.. so I'm hoping to resolve both those issues and head into February with a clear, rested mind. Would it be wise to maybe do 6-7 PTs and focus heavily on reviewing, and drilling LR/RC when necessary? Any tips would be appreciated to ensure I conquer the LSAT and never have to face it again :)

Hi friends,

I just wanted to say a huge thank you to everyone behind the scenes at 7Sage, and everyone who is part of this incredibly supportive community. I started out at 150, and ended up with a 166, a 16 point increase. While not my dream score, it's been enough to be getting me into my dream schools: so far Michigan, Berkeley, and Georgetown.

I know I couldn't have had the motivation to keep studying through the difficult moments without you all. And 7Sage taught me to begin thinking like a lawyer--I honestly feel like what I've learned here is not only applicable to the LSAT, but will help me throughout my time at law school.

A huge thank you. And to all those still studying, keep on keepin' on. You CAN do it.

With gratitude,

Elisa

Hey everyone!

I'm writing the feb LSAT and I was wondering if anyone has any specific methods that really helped them improve with speed and accuracy for the LSAT? I can usually finish all the questions and only get 1-3 Q's incorrect by the time 35 minutes is up when I'm PT-ing but on test day I have trouble finishing the sections on time due to nerves. I usually will not have time to go back to the couple questions that I had skipped and that substantially lowers my score over the 4 sections. My understanding of the LSAT is pretty good, I just need ways to improve my speed and accuracy. During test day I tend to second guess myself. Are there any methods that worked for you? Drills etc?

Thank you so much :)

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Hello!

I took the December LSAT after trying to self study with The LSAT Trainer while in season playing volleyball for my university. I was only able to take three practice tests and was scoring in the mid 150s. When I got my score back I was extremely disappointed to see that I only made a 146. I'm already registered to take the February test. I know I need to do something different to study which is why I just signed up for 7Sage. My question is that in the 5 weeks I have to prepare again for the LSAT will 7Sage be able to help me make a 4 to 8 point jump?

Hi all - this convo came up in another post and @TheMikey kindly posted the link to an article and kindly gave me his thoughts on it. I wanted to share it with the larger group because I am still mystified by what the article said. I am also interested to know if anyone has worked with Mike Spivey and if he is the real deal. I just want to know if the info in his article is credible.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/late/

I always thought that if I took the June LSAT that I automatically lost the opportunity to apply for Fall 2018 and that I had to apply in the next cycle. I didn't think that I could get into any schools since most deadlines would have passed and presumably there are no spots left to offer. Welll, here comes Mike Spivey to completely confuse my understanding. According to him, if we have a number that a school wants (I would think 170 or higher) that "you can probably apply a heck of a lot later than you know or you have been lead to believe. In admissions we see it happen exactly this way hundreds of times every year." What??!! Really??

I never even thought it was possible to apply after the June test for the same cycle (so June 2018 for Fall 2018)! So, I work my butt off, take the June LSAT, score a 170+, apply and I may still have a chance?! I feel like this is almost the best news ever but I don't want to hang my hat on it. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts, specially any former Sagers who actually did this and got in.

Thanks!

Guys, I've taken the lsat 3x and my highest was 167. I'm applying early decision as a URM to UPenn or Cornell and Georgetown as the I'll receive decision before the ED deadline. I'm in a tough spot because my gpa is 3.0 calculated by the LSAC. I was a double major i and worked full time as well to pay tuition all four years. There is an upward trend in my gpa with multiple dean's list awards. I am almost 3 years out of college and worked full time for Goldman Sachs with assets under management in excess of 300MM. Personally, I've worked on promissory note drafts, operating agreements, and creditor's rights with judgments over 6 MM.

You think I honestly have a shot at t-20 w/ my experience or the holistic approach is bs and it comes down to numbers?

Hey! So it has been a while since I've posted a motivation post for everyone. I've been caught up in getting my applications ready to submit (I think this part might be harder than the LSAT!)

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Don't settle! You know what you are capable of and where you want to be, so don't stop until you get there. The LSAT has this strange ability to make it feel like you are just spinning your wheels in the mud. It feels like you are stuck at a plateau and that no matter how much work you put in you just can't improve. In fact, I would say the LSAT excels at making people feel like this.

Guess what, you are improving. Even if that score doesn't budge for a month, you are still honing your skills and improving on the test. Understanding is only half the battle on the LSAT, speed and accuracy is the rest. I learned the hard way that using your score as a metric to judge your progress will only lead to unbridled frustration. Don't do that! Instead of focusing on the macro of your score, focus on the micro of beating a difficult problem. Get yourself excited when you spot one of the LSAT's tricks, laugh at the test when you see it trying to beat you. Slowly over time these mini successes will accumulate, and that is when you will notice you are beginning to improve on speed and accuracy. You'll notice yourself finishing sections on time or even early. You'll have the new tool of having an extra couple of minutes to review the harder questions. You'll start seeing your score climb. It will be consistent.

You'll look back at all those moments you felt like you were not improving and realize that those were the moments you were improving the most. Those were the moments you were gaining an understanding of the test you did not have before. Those were the moments where you could of given up, but you didn't. You'll look back with a score you are proud of.

So don't settle. You are fully capable of beating the LSAT. I'd like to think that the LSATcantwin! :)

-Glen

Hi everyone,

New here so nice meeting you all. I'd like some advice on my next course of action given my situation.

I've written the LSAT twice and scored a 154 both times, once in September 2017 and once in December 2017. I've used a mix of self-studying, various books, and tutors, and my practice tests usually average around 156.

I'm signed up for February 2018 but I realize I have a lot of work to do, and there are just 35 days until the test.

I would love to focus on the June 2018 test instead, or even September 2018, because I find that despite what some others think, this test will take quite a long time and a lot of patience and practice to truly master. However, February is the last administration for this admission cycle of the schools I applied to.

I don't feel comfortable waiting another admission cycle because of the pressure at home and socially overall to be employed and have my career on track already. My family and friends are surprised it's taking so long to do well on a single test, and I sense that they don't think it's for me.

I honestly think I can do it if I have enough time and support, but I'm not sure those will be available after February.

Any tips will be appreciated!

I am currently in my sophomore year of college, and I'm wanting to go to law school right after completing my undergrad. My score on the diagnostic was in the 160s, and my ideal score is in the 170s. Which academic year should I take my first LSAT test in so that I would still have time to take a second test if necessary?

Thanks!

Amy

Hey, so I took the December test and had applied to 2 schools before the test. Since then, I have dramatically changed 1 paragraph in my PS, the rest is the same. 1 school has been reviewing my app, even without the dec. score while the other waited for my score.

Should I bother emailing them the updated version? The old paragraph was good, I just wanted to change it up a bit. The rest of the schools I applied to have this updated one. I know sending in a new LOR or an updated resume to show new employment is fine, but what about a PS?

Thanks!