I know LSAT is the most important part of the admissions decision, in most cases.

For pretty much all of the schools I want to apply to, I am in the 25th or just below the 50th percentile for the LSAT. My GPA is usually at the 75th or above though. I plan to apply ASAP, most of these schools are rolling admissions.

Basically, asking if a high GPA will level off an okay LSAT score.

Thanks!

Hi All,

While I'm trying to get pumped (in the mood?) for the October LSAT, I keep ruminating about part-time versus full-time enrollment. I'd love to hear your thoughts regarding the difference and any feedback regarding my thought process:

Full-time Pros

*Full immersion in the classroom & ancillary activities

*Perhaps better scholarships

*Perhaps better connections & experiences

*Perhaps better job prospects

*Perhaps a faster track to the JD (e.g. NU has an accelerated JD)

Full-time Cons

*Little-to-no income (therefore, much reliance on my partner, assuming that he still likes me by then)

*Less time for personal/work/study balance

*Sticker price (aka potential for massive student debt)

*Blow to confidence if I attempt admission with a lower LSAT score (think under 170), even with solid uGPA

Part-time Pros

*Balance life/work/study potentially better

*Continue to work on-call/contractor to help with tuition (to provide an idea, I make roughly $50/hr on-call and $85-100/home visit as a healthcare provider)

*Perhaps feel less rushed in school

*Perhaps easier chance of enrollment with lower LSAT score (think: under 170, including solid uGPA)

*Perhaps easier to make & feed/water a baby, if that's what we want to do (I'm 32 next year. Dude will be 35)

Part-time Cons

*Perhaps less/no scholarships

*Perhaps poor-to-no job prospects

*Perhaps poor connections & experiences

*Perhaps less recognition/respect

*4ish years to get to the JD

Side note on why I'm even considering part-time app/enrollment:

I spent nearly $100k (including scholarships/loans) on my master's from NU in allied health. My bachelor's cost me much less, as I earned an associate's first and then took advantage of transfer scholarships. Mommy & Daddy didn't pay for college, unless you count my birthday & Xmas cash as student loan payback.

Although I currently make six figs, one of the reasons why I'm pursuing law school is that I've concluded that I no longer find my career path fulfilling, for multiple reasons. I've attempted a few times making changes to my path, but I always come to the same conclusion...I'm bored, incredibly unhappy, and miss using my brain in ways that I feel that the legal field will fulfill.

If I can continue to work as a clinician while going to law school part-time, I feel that I may have more stability in reducing income stress & tuition payments, rather than going into more massive debt. However, my biggest fear is that enrolling part-time will absolutely crush career prospects.

These are just my initial thoughts that keep swimming around in my head (tormenting me as I twist my mind around LR). Thoughts, ruminations, and arguments welcome.

Thanks!

Hey everyone! My first LSAT score was a 160 (less than 2 months of part-time prep) and I had a 3.8 GPA from a very well-recognized university. I applied and got into quite a few good schools (UPenn, UVA and waitlisted at Columbia) but no scholarship money at any of the top schools. I'm considering retaking the LSAT because I know that the score was by far the weakest element in my application. I know UPenn is a great school but I'm not interested in BigLaw; I'm more interested in International Humanitarian Law. Therefore, I'm a little hesitant about UPenn.

If I retake the LSAT and can improve my score, I might have a shot at NYU or a top 3 school and/or perhaps at a scholarship. Keyword being "might." I was wondering if you guys might be able help me make a choice. Thanks everyone!

I have a friend who's reapplying to his school of choice for next cycle, but he's not sure if he needs to rewrite his PS or get new LORs. He's convinced that the only reason he didn't get in was due to his score (145), and intends to take the test again in Oct. I can't answer this question myself since my application is under reevaluation and I didn't have to "apply" a second time. I was wondering if anyone on here might know something about applicants applying to the same school 2 maybe even 3 times?

Where are the answers and explanations of all the old problem sets? I can't find them and really need them. Please help and give me a link or something. Thanks.

This is so old, but IMO it's one of top five web animations...ever.

As I've been doing more and more practice sets and going through problems showcased in the tutorial videos, I've started to not just read things like answer options in the order that they're listed when going about answering a question. For instance, when doing some practice RC questions this morning, I would read a question and then skip down to, e.g. answer E and work my way up to A rather than to read starting from A and go down to E. I don't think I started doing this for any particular reason other than sometimes I would get frustrated by the first few options and would want to see if I could find something better lower, but then I started to think that possibly this could insulate you from the tricks that the test occasionally throws at you such as putting really tempting answer options at the beginning or right before the actual answer at the end.

I'm just wondering if this is a viable strategy (or worst case just neutral) that could be useful to do when taking the test. I can't really think of any downside seeing and the upside would be that (I assume) LSAC assumes most people read from top to bottom and would thus try to design tricks that way. I also wonder (but haven't actually tried) if this kind of strategy would apply to doing individual questions too. Problem I see with that is that it could get cumbersome time-wise to be skipping around so much or starting from the end and coming forward (especially if the questions increase in difficulty towards the end, causing you to waste time on less questions).

Anywho, just wanted some thoughts on this. It seemed kinda helpful initially but just wondering if it could be a problematic strategy or what you think.

Sorry for all of my recent posts. If 7Sage charged $10 a post JY would be able to take an extra vacation this year on me.

I was going to shoot for the October LSAT. I did a few PTs last week and didn't improve from my 148 diagnostic. Safe to say, more work was needed.

My solace was deciding to shoot for the December test instead of October. The extra two months alone lifted a huge weight off me.

However, if I can improve my skills by August 1st, I may still shoot for October. My questions is, is 2 months enough for the PT stage? I own a business so am slightly blessed with the luxury of being able to wrap my work up my Noon and devote the rest of the day to LSAT work. So 7/8 hours a day is no problem.

Any thoughts? Should I stick with December or is October still a possibility?

Thanks,

Jim @ the point of confusion

Reusing Lsats from 2-3 months ago has really helped me to consolidate all of patterns of the LSAT and trick answers that we commonly see. I can honestly say I don't remember too many questions but it feels as if blinders have been taken off my face and I am able to really understand the depths of the LSAT. Blind reviews help a lot but this process allows me to see the extent of my potential. There are a couple questions I would never get right under test conditions but it has helped me solidify my strengths.

Hello everybody,

I was wondering if anybody could help clarify something for me.

I am currently reading chapter 18 on the trainer re: SA and P questions, and there are some exercises and lessons on the conditional indicators covered early on in the 7sage curriculum. Mike Kim states that "unless" is used as a necessary indicator (vs. J.Y negate - sufficient method) and that "no" is a sufficient indicator (vs. J.Y negate - necessary method).

Example: "No duck likes water". My translation using 7sage method would be:

"No"= negate necessary category

2 idea's: Ducks; (liking) water

translation: pick and idea, negate it, make it your necessary condition

=> W --> /D

Mike Kim's answer is = D --> W.

Am I butchering the simple translation rules? Translating and "seeing" the logic, is something I feel that holds me back from progressing through the logical reasoning section/question types.

Thanks everyone.

Hello All,

I finished 7Sage's curriculum and now working on The Trainer. I see how they complement each other. I have an essential question and very appreciate your input. I am having difficulties finding the flaw after isolating the argument.

After you isolate the argument, do you sit and critically think of a scenario on when this premise doesn't support this conclusion? J.Y. does it all the time and so as Mike Kim, but I fail to do so. Most of the times I rely on the answer choices to lead me on the line of thoughts.

Using my small brain to come up with a dumb example:

"Louis is carrying a cup of water; hence, he is thirsty."

How would you go about the thought process?

The way I try to approach questions:

1- I think: carrying a cup of water doesn't mean he is thirsty (I just try to fail the argument).

2- Why the hell is he carrying a cup of water then? Ummmm, in my case I stop at this stage most of the time. Do you guys think: Oh he probably wants to water the plants. (I don't usually come up with a scenario and even when I come it is in many cases wrong.

I bought Cambridge LR recently and started with Flaw questions. I am doing them untimed and trying to stay on each question many minutes to dissect it inside out, but I think this is wrong too. I am not supposed to pay a lot of attention to the context info but concentrate of the argument only.

I very appreciate your help

Hello everyone,

While my PT score has increased little by little, it seems like my BR score has hit a plateau in the low to mid 170s. I've been studying for the LSAT for quite some time and am feeling frustrated that my BR score isn't consistently 175+. Anyone have advice on how to improve the BR? What tactics did you use? What I'm doing right now is going over all of the questions again after taking a PT. However, I still make confidence errors and am having trouble spotting them in advance. Any advice/tips you might have would be greatly appreciated.

@"Alan Cheuk"

YAY to collapsing lessons! Foot in the door phenomenon, I hope it's a real thing...

Regarding the questions for there are not yet explanations for, in the new test sets, I know we have the option to click discuss, which opens up the option to start a blank new discussion on it... but if the video could open up to a separate page, so we can discuss the question below the video? In its current state, we have to open up a new discussion, then cite to the test/question # (and depending on how motivated we are, type out the question again) but it would be nice if we could post our questions/observations/thoughts right on the same page below the displayed question?

I don't know if this interferes with new LSAC licensing requirements.. but thought it was worth asking anyways?

@"Alan Cheuk" is there any way for the option to minimize topics stay minimized, even if we go to a different page and back to the course? i thought it didn't save between different computers, and am now realizing going back and forth pages will remove all the clicking i did to minimize topics?

So, despite my confident suspicion that 7sage pwns PowerScore, I still bought the LR Bible cuz it was "only" $40 bucks. But, after having read the first couple chapters, I am totes concerned. I have read multiple "How I got a 180" etc. articles, and a lot of those people used powerscore. Bless their hearts because dang doe. In two chapters I have gotten a lot of the basics which I guess are necessary for the first 2 chapters. But it seems that the way this book is mapped out, where its heading, is extremely inefficient and odd (categorization), though admittedly quite exhaustive. (Exhaustive at this point is what I am looking for. I have finished the Trainer and twas excellent, but I need some more detes on my weak question types).

Given my circumstance, am I going to benefit from the time I put into this book? I really do prefer book learning to video learning, for multiple reasons---time efficiency being one of them. I would like to keep the Trainer as my main template and incorporate detes from LR Bible. My LR is pretty low, too low to be honest about publicly. But I have only done one PT, and a lot will come naturally with practice and mental endurance. However, I would hate to establish bad habits in PTing or inefficient habits in theory with the Bible. I am taking the October LSAT and completely plan on 170 or 173 +, and I am studying more than full time.

Punchline: Do I continue with the LR Bible? will it give me new insights and the deh-tails I need to fill specific, tiny wholes in the Trainer, even if its overall structure is wackasblackcrackonthesalerack?

im looking to buy the starter package ($179) but thinking if I get into this I should really get the ultimate or ultimate+ package to get the best materials. Can you upgrade between packages when you're ready for the difference ($549 - $179) or is it the sum of costs if you do this approach?

To date I have been through 7Sage twice, the Trainer twice and Manhattan LR twice; my conditional logic principles are strong but I fall apart when seeing it in the form of a written stimulus.

Getting the text translated is fine, but the trouble is working through the "process" of the logic from that point forward.

I think I need to consider other resources out there. Has anyone uncovered anything that helped them in this area? There's boundless virtual beer available to anyone who can assist!

Thanks in advance,

Jimmy the logical reasoning nemesis

Hey guys, so here's the deal.

We are looking for a stellar teacher to craft a stellar bar prep course with us.

We're looking for someone in their 3L year or just graduated from a top law school. The most important criterion is that they genuinely enjoy studying and debating the law.

Do you guys know someone like that? If so, please encourage them to email me (jy@7sage.com). 7Sage will be eternally grateful.

[edited heavily for content]

For the people who are taking the 7sage course, and who are on the sequencing games with a twist section, did you attempt to diagram the games before JY did? and if so did you have trouble? and if you had trouble and could not figure it out, did you just watch the video explanation, and then attempt to do it yourself? Because I am having difficulty with setting up games, and understanding some rules, and usually when I do not understand I just watch the video explanation, and then attempt it on my own. I just started doing the logic games section, so I am sure most people when they start out are lost on setups, but I am just curious. I want to add that once I set up the game, I have no problems with the questions, and do not really struggle with making most of the inferences.

I'm spending 3-4 hours/day on LSAT. By the time I'm done with LR and some RC blind review and 7sage curriculum, I have little time left on LG. If you have a good time management tip on giving LG the proper time to study, please let me know. My LG is 60-70% accurate, so it needs a lot of work.

Is there any info on possible date and cost? Thanks!

PT70 BR Tonight at 8:30pm ET

Well, well, well. We finally hit 70. Just add 100 to that and everyone be happy, happy, happy (within +/- 5 points or so).

Note on all groups

I recently posted about this I think.

I found the LSAT Trainer was a really helpful resource and I saw vast improvement in my score, but.... now I feel as if, as I'm moving up in LSAT #..... I am again lagging in Reading Comprehension.

I think, to improve, I have to change my method or tweak my method.

How do you study for Reading Comprehension? Right now I'm going through past LSATs (just did #40) and drilling the full 4 passage section. I am then going through and circling the ones I am not sure on, going back to try and find support for the answer, and then correcting.

Should I go through EACH question? and not just the ones I felt were wrong? should I re read the entire passage again?

What do you do?

About a month ago I purchased the 7Sage Law School Prep Course and got a bit of the way through it. At the begining it's mostly Larry, (the instructor) explaining how law school works and breaking down any misconceptions about how law school actually works. I've had the luxury of knowing individuals in 3L at the law school I intend to go to, explain to me how law school works. Larry is pretty spot on with most of it, but then again, I may have just totally ignorant of the obvious, as I let the LSAT consume me for the better part of a year. It was only $99 and I fully intend to finish the course, but will it help me? Some people say they did nothing before law school (including the 3L I spoke to about law school, in fact, she TOLD me to just enjoy my last summer). I'm just worried about issue spotting, and Larry REALLY emphasizes the importance of being good at it. If I want to be ahead of everyone in my class, the sooner I can issue spot better than most, I'm ahead of the game, right? I know it sounds sadistic, but I'm just thinking about my future! I know most of you guys are still studying the LSAT and haven't looked past that, yet. If anyone has more knowledge/opinion, please don't hesitate to respond! Love you all!

So in this sentence which is the sufficient and which is the necessary? "The only kids with green eyes are the ones who wear red shoes." In this sentence, which is the S and which is the N? "Kids with green eyes are the only ones who wear red shoes."