Am i wrong in saying that logical reasoning, at large, is just reading comprehension in a slightly different format? Instead of synthesizing a text you are understanding/comprehending individual arguments.

For those who are working full-time and trying to study for the LSATs, how are you managing it? How are you scheduling yourself. I have tried to study for the LSAT for about three years and have never been discipline enough to manage both. I would study at work but never at home or during the weekends.

Granted I have not done enough practice exams to see where I am at. I just want something more than what I currently have in live and would love to be a lawyer. But finding sometimes finding the motivation is hard for me. I am trying to find ways to improve my mental health so I can manage both

Any tips would be appreciated

Hello! Just was wondering if the new released disclosed PT (I think it's the April 2025/Feb 2014 exam) will be uploaded to 7Sage sometime soon? I would like to take this before the January exam, but I would prefer to take it on the computer! Thank you!

Hi guys. I used 7sage for five months (no other learning programs). I started with a 164 baseline score and I am so so so excited to be able to share that I got a 180. I cried when I saw. I never expected this. Thank you so much 7sage could not have done it without you guys. Hope everyone else's October tests went well. It has been a stressful ride for me. Not gonna lie this is just a celebration post for me since no one in my life understands the significance of this! I will answer questions if anyone wants to know anything about my study process.

I just scored a 163 on PT139.

Just for some background, I decided to study for the LSAT about a month ago and I have just one chance to take it in January if I want to begin in the fall. I work full time and study when I can, but my job can be very demanding at times. I've taken a practice test every weekend for the past 4 weeks and have scored 164 3 times in a row, and a 163 just yesterday. My blind review is consistently high and I found it's because most of the questions I get wrong are the ones where I'm left between two options.

How can I improve to at least 170 before January 5th? The recorded lessons are great and all, but I've been having some difficulty learning the "lawgic" so I've just been doing all the questions in my head. Is there a better way to study? I feel like the tutoring sessions helped just a bit, but I'm not seeing any improvement.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

I just scored a 162 on PT154.

To those who have mastered conditional lawgic,

I am wondering what study methods you used to master this. Drilling questions is one thing, but what other methods did you use? Is there a quizlet out there that has all the indicators, translation rules, etc. that I can use? please let me know!

I just scored a 175 on PT126.

Hi all,

I am really frustrated with my results recently. I started off at 122 (I know it's a bad score) but I've been studying for the past few months and I'm only reached at 135. I'm trying to write the LSAT in February.

Do you think it's possible to get 160 in 2 months? I try to study at least 3 hours a day consistently and I do see improvement.

Does anyone else have other tips? Maybe different resources? I really want to get my score to 160 because most Canadian schools need 160.

My drill screen has just shrunk 50% smaller and it's difficult to read. Can we fix this back to full screen? Thanks

Philosopher: You’re an idiot. Even if we care about nature, banning fossil fuels would lead to massive deforestation as manufacturers turn to biofuels as a substitute. So we shouldn’t listen to your smooth-brained policy proposal.

Environmentalist: Ad hominem! Ad hominem! And you call yourself a philosopher.

Philosopher: No. I didn’t commit the ad hominem fallacy.

Environmentalist: But you insulted me and said I was wrong.

Philosopher: No, no, my illogical friend. There’s nuance to this. We commit the ad hominem fallacy when we attack the source of a claim as support for why that claim is wrong.

For example -

You smell like a cesspit. So, we shouldn’t listen to you when you tell us to use eco-friendly soap.

Here, I’m citing to your stench as a reason to reject your recommendation. But the idea that we should use eco-friendly soap should be evaluated on its own merit. What are the pros and cons of eco-friendly soap? That’s what we should consider, not your distasteful body odor. That’s why this argument commits an ad hominem fallacy.

However, consider my original statements.

You’re an idiot. Even if we care about nature, banning fossil fuels would lead to massive deforestation as manufacturers turn to biofuels as a substitute. So we shouldn’t listen to your smooth-brained policy proposal.

Notice that even though I am calling you an idiot, and even though I label your proposal as smooth-brained, I’m not saying that we shouldn’t listen to you because you’re a smooth-brained idiot. I rely instead on the effects of banning fossil fuels to support my conclusion. My comments on your lack of intelligence are simply fun add-ons that don’t play a logical role in my argument. So I’m not committing the ad hominem fallacy.

Environmentalist: Interesting. I think I get it.

Philosopher: Let me give you another example.

Environmentalist: Thanks, but I’m pretty sure I und–

Philosopher: You’re a stinky, mouth-breathing dunce. Ad hominem?

Environmentalist: …Yes?

Philosopher: Ha! Trick question – it wasn’t even an argument. So calling the claim logically flawed wouldn’t even make sense.

Environmentalist: I see. Well, I have to get–

Philosopher: If I had said, for example, that we shouldn’t listen to you because you’re a stinky, mouth-breathing loser and nobody likes you, then that would have been an ad hominem fallacy.

Environmentalist: Thanks, I got it.

Philosopher: You’re welcome, you foul-smelling fool. Not ad hominem!

Hi all,

I've been struggling with staying focused even for small drills for extended periods of time (30min lol) periods of time and it is genuinely so frustrating. Anyone else have trouble with focus? I get distracted so easily it makes me doubt myself and future career prospects :(

I just scored a 175 on PT126.

I have been doing 2 sections a day (1 LR 1 RC) in preparation for the Jan LSAT. Just this morning when I went to do my sections the whole layout had changed. The questions and stimulus is in a small box in the middle of my screen leaving much open space. Also all the text is super condensed. It threw me off ngl. Is this how the LSAT will frfr look on test day. I plan to take it in a testing center.

I have been studying very lightly the last two months, and as I get closer to my test date, I want to start structuring my study better. The issue is, I don't know how to properly integrate the core curriculum into my studies. I currently aim to take one PT every week or two, and I spend my time in between working on my wrong answer journal and drilling LR and RC sections (For reference purposes my most recent PT was a 170, and my average is 164). Unfortunately, I have barely touched the core curriculum because I feel as if the "foundations" section isn't super helpful to me where I am right now. I don't know how to utilize the curriculum so I don't use it, and I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of helpful content. Should I jump ahead in the planned path? Should I just push through the entire curriculum? I want to make sure I am getting the most value from my time, and the resources available. Does anyone have any advice/insights? Thanks!

So a month ago I broke 170 on a PT for the first time, 174 on 140. The following week a 173 on PT 150. I was like damn I finally broke the 160s plateau. Lo and behold I got a 168 on PT153, which isn't horrific, given its only around 3ish questions worse compared to my 173 performance, if not for the fact that I got -8 on one of the RC sections, which thankfully was experimental. I'd like to be more realistic about things and just realise that this is all just part of performance variance, but honestly the way reading comprehension drills have been bending me over is just making me question whether those were fluke performances. idk im trying everything ive been told, 4 minutes on the passage, the split approach, highlighting key words, i just find a way to fumble questions. Im redoing old passages from before to avoid running out of passages and still getting stuff wrong. What am i missing? And are drills supposed to be this tough? Also i'm considering getting a tutor because i'm at a bit of a loss, does anyone else have experience with this?

I was consistently PT-ing in the 170+s for several weeks leading up to my October LSAT, but my official score didn’t even break into the 160s :( Has anyone else experienced something similar? I’m starting to question my abilities / intelligence despite all the effort I put in.

need some motivation....took the lsat twice in 2023 and got 130's. started taking it seriously last august and took the november 2024 lsat and scored a 146 even though i was scoring mid 150's on PT's. i took a break and re started studying this september. scoring 157+ on my PTS. but im fluctuating. some drills and sections are great and others are terrible. i dont know whats not clicking. my confidence dictates my studying. every bad drill and section really crushes my motivation and makes me want to give up. is this not for me? i know im capable and im the only one in control of all of this. but i need some tips on what can really set me up for success. i suffer from bad anxiety, and i feel that it really effects me on the test day. somedays i really want to give up after this long journey that i started in 2023....

Hi all, I'll be taking the LSAT in January and I'm currently averaging -3/-4 per section (both in LR and RC) during PrepTests and timed individual sections. On my BRs I'm averaging -1, and when I take full, untimed sections I average -1. Additionally, I tend to end up with a few minutes left over after each section (which I seem to use for a rushed review of flagged questions). Does anyone have any advice on how I can improve my accuracy in timed sections over the next month?

Adding this here aswell lol. Just consulted with a law school admissions "expert" who told me even though I have a bachelors and masters in criminal justice (i plan to go into public service/ criminal law) and 4.0 LSAC GPA that i have absolutely no chances of getting into my target schools part time programs (highest is ranked 63rd and lowest ranked in the 100s so not t20 or anything) because my LSAT is significantly poor especially in comparison to my transcripts. i also have 2 years of work experience in the legal field as a paralegal. she told me to basically throw my whole app away and wait until next cycle to apply.

do i take the january lsat and apply later in the cycle? i have all my other materials set. is january even considered late for part time programs with march/april/may/june deadlines? any input helps!

Two problems with the suggested timing distributions for RC. I've attached two screenshots to illustrate this

1) Suggested timing inconsistency: If you total up the suggested time for each of my questions individually, I'd be at around -0:06, but the overall recommended pace in the second screenshot says I'm actually -00:51. Which one is the real suggested time?

2) Way too little time recommended for the passage: If i had a dollar for every time somebody told me to slow down on the passage and focus on retention, I'd actually be able to afford law school. Point is, the consensus seems to be that the best strategy is around 3-4 minutes (minimum) on the passage, and try to blitz through the questions. But as you can see here, having spent 3:44 on the passage I'm being told I spent almost 2 whole minutes more than I'm supposed to have used. Granted this is a 4 star passage and I was pretty slow overall, but still, this was not a passage I could've gotten through in just 2 minutes and expect to retain any info.

Maybe there's some setting I'm unaware of which lets me tweak the suggested timing based on my strategy, and if so please let me know. Otherwise I’d really appreciate any clarification on how these suggested timings are calculated.

Hi fellow 7Sagers. I just finished taking my fifth prep test, and I have scored almost the same score (156ish) every time. I go back and do blind review and almost always end up in the 170s, so I'm assuming this is just a timing issue. What do you guys recommend on how to move forward? I've started drilling harder questions and have overall found a significant improvement in getting questions correct (e.g. getting very difficult and most difficult drills all correct, sections with max 3 wrong instead of 8-10 and getting 0 wrong on blind review), but when it comes to these PTs I don't know what's happening to me.

For context, I'm about a month and a half into consistently and rigorously studying for the LSAT. Goal is to take it in February next year. I would appreciate advice from any of guys who may have been in similar situations as me. Thanks :)

I'm familiar with "some" and "most" and "many" and whatnot, but I've just encountered a question where it seems like "few" doesn't really match up to the way "some" works.

If anyone has an answer, I'd love a tip!

Does anyone have any tips for lawgic? I feel it is taking so much more time for me to do that first then answer the questions..

Thanks in advance!

Hey everyone,

I’ve been studying for about 4 weeks now, 2 weeks on the 7Sage core curriculum and 2 weeks focused on drilling. I’ve got 8 weeks left.

My first practice test last week was a 150, and my second PT this week was a 154.

I’ve been doing Blind Review, error logging, and all that good stuff. What I’ve noticed across both PTs is that in the LR sections, I usually go about -3 on questions 1–18, but then I completely fall apart on questions 18–26. I’ll miss around six or seven questions there, even though during BR I get them right almost instantly.

This happens no matter the question difficulty, level 2, 3, or 4, as long as it’s in that back half of the section I completely fumble the bag. So I’m pretty sure it’s fatigue or pacing, not an understanding issue.

Fixing this would probably be the difference between my current 154 and breaking into the 160s.

Any advice on how to handle LR fatigue or keep focus through the whole section would be super appreciated! Good luck my fellow future lawyers 🫡