Question: in the sentence, "If you’re not greedy, you’re not a business school student" the two different conditional indicators confuse me: if I use "If" then I get /G-->/BS (Or BS-->G); however, if I use "not," then I can come out G-->BS (I negate the BS and make it the NC, and then I'm left with the G which become the SC and also has the SC indicator "If"). So, which one do I choose? I know the first way is correct, but I'm not sure why.

Is it the case that "If" overpowers "not", and "not" is merely a negation and not a logical indicator?

just wondering if for the digital exams we'll be allowed scratch paper/ anything to write on/with? i can't imagine going through logic games and not being able to write/draw out the solutions. someone please tell me this will be afforded to us lol

Hi, I wanted to get some advice from people with a bit more experience in LG on how to balance speed and accuracy on the actual test. I have been foolproofing the games from PTs1-35, and my confidence and speed have increased. However, I also feel the need to go at a rapid pace through each game in order to meet the target time were a very difficult game to arise.

In practice, this is what messes me up the most. I fly through the rules and "passage" and often find myself either misreading questions or missing them entirely. I tend to do this both on PTs and, to a lesser extent, on games that I foolproof. If I do not misread rules, I am confident that I can do well on almost any game. I think nerves also play into my inclination to go at warp speed. Does anyone have any advice for methods I can practice to bring a more balanced approach to my LG sections?

Working a LG in the LSAT trainer (p.210), and I need further explanation on why this is the correct answer choice. Specifically Q2. I am including Q1 for context.

Seven coffees - F, G, and H from Brazil, and L, M, N, and O from Colombia - will be showcased on three different displays. One coffee will be displayed by itself on stand 1, and the other six coffees will be evenly split between stands 2 and 3. The following conditions apply:

F is displayed on stand 2

One of the displays will have exactly two Brazilian coffees

L and M must be displayed together

F and H cannot be displayed together

Q1) If O is displayed on stand 2, which of the following must be true?

(A) H goes on stand 1

(B) H goes on stand 3

(C) G goes on stand 2

(D) N goes on stand 1

(E) N goes on stand 2

ANSWER: (C) G goes on stand 2

If Oc is on stand 2, the only place Lc/Mc can go is stand 3. This forces Gb on stand 2, since there needs to be a bb combo, and Hb can't go with Fb.

1: Hb or Nc

2: Fb, Oc, Gb

3: Lc, Mc, Hb or Nc

Q2) Which of the following must be false?

(A) A Brazilian coffee is displayed by itself

(B) A Colombian coffee is displayed by itself

(C) One stand displays only Colombian coffees

(D) Two stands each display both Brazilian and Colombian coffees

(E) No stands displays only Colombian coffees

ANSWER: (E) No stands displays only Colombian coffees

For (E) to be true, each stand must have at least one Brazilian coffee. However, this cannot be true. Therefore, (E) must be false.

My thinking... If I take the diagram I used to answer Q1, which is

1: Hb or Nc

2: Fb, Oc, Gb

3: Lc, Mc, Hb or Nc

and I assume Hb is on stand 1 and Nc is on stand 3, I get

1: Hb

2: Fb, Oc, Gb

3: Lc, Mc, Nc

which follows all the rules, and has a stand that displays only Colombian coffees. So how is the answer choice, "No stands displays only Colombian coffees" - MUST BE FALSE?

I appreciate the help. I promise I am joining 7Sage after I finish the LSAT trainer. Thank you!!

How to go about drilling LGs after having foolproofed Pt 1-35?

Hi All-- I was wondering if November was too late to apply? I already took the LSAT once before, I sprained my ankle in the prep center but still took the test so I did terribly. Would November (which means scores/application in December) mean I'm getting into more competitive territory application wise? I've heard the later you apply the tougher your chances are. I've been out of undergrad/grad school for 5 years now and don't want to put law school off any longer so will be applying this year and just want to know if my chances would be slightly lower if I applied with November scores.

Thanks!

For anyone else who needs to see this...

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/3598/burnout-and-you

Hi,

I am enjoying learning lsat through LSAT Trainer. I was not sure if I can post a question regarding the contents in that book. But I was too confused, so I came here for a help.

I am confused because I do not see the difference btw the two statements.

1.Mistakes necessary characteristics for sufficient ones, and falls to consider other factors necessary or potentially important to the conclusion.

2. Takes for granted that having characteristics important for an outcome is enough to reasonably expect that outcome.

Can I just all say that it confuses a necessary condition for a sufficient one? Its hard for me to see the subtle differences that the author made.

I am confused why B is not right? I was focus on the words "Tanner was more persuasive"

Admin note: edited title; please use the format of "PT#.S#.Q# - [first set of words]"

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-70-section-4-question-19/

Hi! I took the June 5th test and got a 159, I was averaging around a 163 before the test.

I signed up for the July 15th test but I took a 3 week break and then couldnt get back up to my regular above 160 scores. So I withdrew and didnt take the test. The fact that I couldnt bring my score back up made me think that I have to review foundational information.

I want to take the test again, and would start studying around September 1st. I'll be working part time around 15 hrs a week and would like to get a165 or above if I retake. I think i have an OK foundational knowledge but would want to revisit material.

How do I know which test to aim for and which 7sage package to use? Should I combine this with any of the Power Score bibles?

How long does it take to get through 7sage’s lessons/course material?

Thank you!

it's just occurred to me that we will not have the leisure of writing out the rules and trees on the digital LSAT as we did on paper. do proctors provide sheets for space to make markings or are we going to screwed? lol

I have noticed recently that I almost always take a long time on the first game. For instance, if 7Sage indicates that the game should be completed in 7 minutes, then it would take me 2 minutes longer. Regardless of the game type, this has happened both during warm ups and full length PTs. I’m either taking too long to diagram or have to refer back to the game board multiple times when answering questions (less confident?) This in turn messes up my timing for the rest of the section where I feel rushed.

Does this happen to anyone else? And what would be a good strategy to fix it?

I have yet to solve one LG on my own even without any time restrictions. I do very well with LR and RC, but for some reason LGs have been beating the crap out of me. It is difficult for me to fully comprehend how I should initially set up my game board, better yet make any inferences consistently. Mind you, I am still in progress with the LG section of the CC—but am nearly finished—but regardless, it has been totally disheartening for me.

How long did it take for you guys to fully grasp LG?

Thx.

Does it work well together with the content in the CC for 7Sage?

Should I do one before the other? I'm about to start the CC for LR soon with Ultimate+.

I've got plenty of time since I'm registered for the April 2020 LSAT.

Thank you!

Does anybody have any advice for practicing logic games when you have spare time at the doctor's office, in between meetings, etc.?

Whether that be completing a full problem set off my phone or writing out a quick diagram, I am hoping for some suggestions as to how to practice without my laptop on me!

Thank you :)

I am studying from a LR LSAT book and it has it diagrammed as

Man->many parts.

I thought “is required” is a group 2, so shouldn’t man be the necessary clause like many parts->man?

Does anyone have any tips or advice on how to improve on LR speed? I average about 2 minutes per question (and I feel like I am rushing). Although I am slow, I am mostly accurate.

I would love to hear all of your thoughts :)

Hi guys,

I was just wondering how do you mark or circle the lines in RC on a tablet. When i was doing passages on paper i always circle or underline the key words i think is important so is it the same way in tablet?

Is it recommended to take the unclosed test? Am aiming to get into the 2020 session into the University of Toronto, so was planning to do the October test , so I had two more chances to take repeats for a better score. Any suggestions?

Hi all,

I've been studying for a little over 7 months but I've always had trouble with Sufficient Assumption and Pseudo Sufficient Assumption questions. I get them right a lot of the time but it takes forever, and writing out the lawgic often makes it worse for me.

I don't think JYs method works for me very well. I understand the principles of lawgic but I have a lot of trouble when the logic chains they present use slightly different subjects/are not worded in the same way. It's also really easy for my brain to get it all jumbled.

Anyone else have this issue? What worked for you?

Are there other methods for approaching these outside of writing out logic chains that can work?

#help

Not sure how to word this but;

how do you all set up your in-out board to represent a not both rule when the rule has an and/or statement in it.

For example If A is in then B and C are out or vise versa.

If it was just A -> /B then I know I can put A/B in my out group, but I'm not sure how to represent it when there's an and involved.

Does that make sense?

I've found that the Problem set creator automatically gives you under 35 minutes to complete single LR section. Is there a way to change that so it's the full 35 minutes?

I'm only 40% of the starter curriculum and the test is now in a month! I know I can't get through 100% of the curriculum simply because I don't have enough time in the day to dedicate to studying since I have other responsibilities. Anyone else feel nervous? (Also first time taker here)

hi all

so I have not been as diligent with my studies as I should have been over the summer because of some unexpected life events. I do most of logical reasoning+reading comprehension qs right however I am still struggling with games as I started to study it pretty recently. Do you think I should postpone my exam even though September is disclosed and I can get a performance sheet back? This one would be my first Lsat exam ever so I can't tell if I'm just freaking out or not. Please help with any advice you can give TIA