Hey all I’m studying for the LSAT averaging a 140 pretty low I know but I know I can get up to at least a 150. Do you think that achievable for the October test and if not the November test? If so any tips? My issue is focus and the LR section

I've been studying for the Nov LSAT for about 2 months now with basically no improvement on my score--my initial PT was 159, then dropped to 151, 160, 161, and then 157. I'm super confused as to why this is happening and wondering if anyone has tips on how to be more diligent when studying or has had the same thing happen to them. I've been working through the core curriculum and BR every test

How soon can we have access to the September 2019 test? Is it usually the day after score release (Oct 14)?

Hello everyone, I have taken the lsat before, ive taken practice tests, and studied a lot. So its not my first rodeo. I continue, however, to not reach my minimum score of at least 160, I stay in the 150s - making silly mistakes, understood once I review. In your experiences, it is possible from here to know - keeping in mind I have a demanding day job - to reach that 160+ score. Thanks! Any advice is welcome!

Thank you in advance for any advice!

I have a weird history with the LSAT where I took the 2018 September LSAT cold because I have old school lawyers in my family that said "you don't need to study for the LSAT. If you don't do well you're not meant for law school." So I went in thinking I could do it. Obviously, I scored poorly and was very upset. I also didn't know anything about the LSAT at the time so I didn't know that cancelling a score was an option. (I apologize if y'all are eye rolling while reading this...) I graduating in May and decided to study over the summer, getting my PTs up in the 160-165 range. I went into 2019 September LSAT knowing I would perform in that range if I did well on Logic Games. Well, like most people LG killed me in the first section and I was looking for another LG the rest of the test. I cannot gauge how I did on the other sections even though I didn't feel like I struggled on Reading Comp as much as I have on PTs this summer. I cannot remember anything about the LR sections which makes me so nervous.

I was already registered for the November LSAT so I am definitely taking that now. I am just so confused reading everybody's posts about what law schools consider with multiple LSAT scores. How would it look if I have a terrible score from last year, a cancelled score for September, then retake November and score much better?

I will absolutely be submitting an addendum regarding last year's test but I just don't know what to do. I know this score will be higher than last year, but if it isn't dramatically higher I feel like law schools will look at it and say "she only improved that much after a year of studying?" and put more weight on last year's score.

Please help!!!!!

It's been a long time coming but for the first time going into a take, my PT average is a couple points above my target. I can't even begin to describe what a difference this makes (mentally). Good luck on Saturday everyone, and try to take it easy in the days leading up to the test!

Currently, I am averaging -3/-4 per section and I would like to get that down to -0 to -2 per section. I struggle most with Sufficient Assumption, Strengthen, Resolve the Paradox, Weaken, and Necessary Assumption type questions, but I think rather than a question type...it's more about level 4 or 5 difficulty questions. Recently, I've also been missing these questions in Blind Review so I'm not sure what's wrong or if I am overthinking them.

Also, I finish RIIGHT on time or guess on 1-2 questions. I know speed comes with improved skill, so any tips on how I can finish consistently with ~2 minutes left would really help!

How should I proceed? I don't really have much time left and I don't have time to order and go through the Loophole :(

I'm really glad that I've come a long way in LR because I used to miss around -8 to -10, but I really want to score the best I can!

I would really appreciate advice and tips on maximizing my improvements given a limited time frame!

HI Guys!

All the test centers in my province are saying they're "unavailable" but I've booked a seat, how does this work? Will I get a seat, because I've already paid... I'm freaking out...

Does anyone remember having the question about EE Cummings and his use of metaphor? I had three LR sections and I want to know if the section including this question was my experimental. It was my first LR section (first section of the test).

Here's my trick for recognizing the right AC in Str / Wkn questions and a helpful method in BR too. Take an argument (P + C) then say BUT... then read the AC. For example,

Weakener: "Bob is a dancer. He must be good at dancing. BUT ___ (a survey says Bob is the worst dancer in history)." The AC fits pretty well and reads more easily.

The same works for a strengthener, just add AND... "JY is pretty smart thus he must be totally awesome :D AND ___... he won the Nobel Peace Prize." See? Adding But or And makes the AC read more smoothly.

This is really helpful for me in Str / Wkn questions, I just say "ok this was P, this is C, And / But...AC" and often the right AC is much easier to see.

In BR this technique helps me turn wrong ACs into right ones and vice versa, and after BRing a question like this I feel much more confident in my understanding of the ACs and the question as a whole.

I am a test taker whose native language is not English, I have studied this test for about 4 months starting the end of May, LR is especially difficult for me, I have done the LR ranging from -3 to -9, which is not really good . The only section that has clicked with me is the LG section, after doing around LG sections for around 50 PTs, I have been consistently getting -1 or -0. I have done 10PT LG sections from PT40-50 two days before the September exam and get almost all -0. Then I bombed the LG on the actual test, I think it is really difficult, maybe the most difficult I have ever seen. After finishing the first game, I have already spent 9 or 10 minutes, i started to panic, the second game and the third game seems especially hard, I did some initial setup and cannot see many inferences, I start to skip games to the final one and finished that one with little time left, I think I guessed around 8 questions randomly in the final minute. Maybe the reason I did not feel too depressing is because it is my first official test, I just want some experience. But the LG section definitely made me fearful afterwards. Usually LG is the section that I count on to minimize the total errors for other sections.

If LSAC continue to be like this, I know I would never finish a section like this no matter what, But I just want to do my best as a foreign test taker.

What do you guys thinks starting from this point on? How do you plan to drill your LG sections? Do you guys think that picking 4 hardest games from certain PTs and make them a problem set and start drilling them within 35 minutes would work?

I didn't pick the right answer choice (C) only because I did not understand what it was saying at all. What does it mean when it says the "first thing's having caused the second?"

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Is there a possibility of getting our scores before 10/14? This was my first time taking the LSAT, I'm very apprehensive about my score I don't believe I did what I'm capable of.

I am trying to decide about canceling or keeping my Sept score and wanted to get some other opinions. I have two scores on file from June (158) and July (160). I had been consistently PTing in the mid 160s (164-167) before Sept and my goal score was a 164 since it's the median for my top school choices though I would be ok with any increase, even 1 point, after this test. LG crushed me (barely completed 2 of the games and guessed on most) and ruined my confidence going forward on the other sections so I don't have a clear memory of how I did on them (though I remember feeling relatively good about the LRs and most of the RC).

Is it worth taking the chance of a score decrease and keeping the score or better to cancel and go forward with applying to schools with the 160 even though it's below the median/most of my PTs? (My GPA is right at the median for most schools I'm looking at and I have some other aspects of my application that should give me a bit of a boost).

Thanks in advance for any advice!

I had LR LG LR LR and RC in that order. The last two LRs were 26 questions and the first was 25 questions. Do you guys know which of these was the experimental ? I can’t remember specific questions for each of the sections but if you guys know maybe how many questions total the test was i can figure it out.

Hi All, I'm racking my brain right now with these SA questions, and I would greatly appreciate the community's help. While I can sort of diagram out the right answer, I don't exactly get why certain elements don't work.

For example:

If the support states that:

Don't Sleep -> Tired -> Prone to Mistakes

and the Conclusion is:

Don't sleep -> Fired

Why is the Sufficient Assumption: "Prone to Mistakes -> Fired" and not "Tired -> Fired"?

I've been studying for the LSAT for about 3 weeks, mostly on logic games, probably put in about 80 hours so far. My very first look at any of these games, I went through a PT and got 19 or 20 right... but I did it without a time limit and spent 3 hours on the games.

After my practicing/studying, I've got it to where I'd guess I can go -1/-2 on the LG in a PT in about 60 minutes.

Obviously, 60 minutes doesn't cut it. Under real test conditions & timing, I'm looking at more like a -9 on the LG. I did have one PT where I got -5, but there was a lot of luck involved (I didn't have time for 6 or 7, and guessed A and got like 3 or 4 of these blind guesses correct).

Any thoughts on what's realistic to hope for in terms of improvement before the October test? I don't have time to foolproof hundreds (or even dozens) of games. It's been a while since a game stumped me, but I'm still not necessarily making the right calls on when to split & try to draw out tons of inferences vs when to forge ahead with what I've got and let it play out in the questions. And even when I do make the right call, I'm still probably taking 25% to 50% too long on everything.

I have a head for logic; on my last PT under test conditions I went -1 on RC and LR combined. But speed has just never been my thing.

Thanks.

Is anyone else having issues with this? It seems like they are making it extremely difficult. I called the tech support and they couldn't help me. Now I'm on a 30 plus minute hold with LSAC. It seems like it would be easier for everyone if they just allowed us to take it on test day at the location. Even if they have to reserve computers for that portion. This is just ridiculous.

I was self-doubting after the test and had to distract myself. I've read somewhere that not only the "curve" is pre-calculated based on previous experimental sections, test-takers are actually compared with others in their score band, because a question that is "very difficult (5/5)" for sub-160 test-takers might be an "average(3/5)" for 170 test-takers.

I'm making an inference on this. Under extreme circumstance, if one section is SOO difficult that only genius (1%) of the population can perform well. Then would it result in a curve that looks like this?

170: -10

160: -40

Sorry this has nothing to do with actual test, just food for thought out of curiosity.

Also, flowers for all who sit for September test. 🌸🌼

And some kittens/doggies. 🐱🐕

I saw powerscore predicted the curve at -12. What do you guys think?

After taking that LG section 2 and feeling defeated for the rest of the test, I’m hoping for -13/-14.

I am putting this question out there, because after flagging this question and blind reviewing, I still got it wrong.

Currently, I am blind reviewing my process to improve my LR form, and I am also blind reviewing to address any gaps in understanding.

For this question, when it came to form. I felt pretty good

My steps:

For step 5, I was able to break down the grammar of the conclusion and the premise. But during the test, I could not see the gap clearly. So I flagged it. I was able to eliminate answer A, B, and C easily. I did not eliminate D and E. I came back to it and chose E.

Specifically, I chose E because the argument seemed to state that contemporary artists are mistaken, Mistaken about what? I presumed on their belief that their works enable many people to feel more aesthetically fulfilled. However, the premise focuses on "more great artworks" that human being could appreciate in a lifetime. So I thought I saw the gap, that the inability to appreciate work over a lifetime could not be lead to people feeling more aesthetically fulfilled.

As I read answer choices E, it seemed to match that during testing condition, but I am unsure it did during BR. Definitely, the difficulty in the answer choices factors in the difficulty of this question as well.

Let see if the flaw in answer E is actually evident in the stimulus

To paraphrase E: The argument assumes, without providing a reason, that the number (count) and variety (diversity) of great artworks already in the world affects (makes a difference to) the amount of aesthetic fulfillment derivable (coming) from any contemporary artwork.

It seems that E is incorrect, because it seems that it is not the number and/or variety of great artwork that makes a difference, it is the inability of human being to appreciate it all in a lifetime. So E seems wrong for the reason. But I still have my doubts on why E is wrong.

But although, I understand what answer choice D is saying. I have no way of understanding how the stimulus would be vulnerable to that criticism. Love to have a some help here clarifying this flaw question.

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Is anyone else planning to cancel their score?? What are the pros and cons of canceling my score this time? How is it gonna affect my admission process?

Y'all. WTF was this test. LG destroyed me. I'm so upset.

I already have 2 cancels on record - 1 from 2017 when I had a panic attack during (lol) and the other from the July test because I saw my score and didn't like it and wanted the free October retake. I don't actually have an official score on record but I feel like there is a chance that today's score might be lower than what I cancelled in July.

Today's test was unexpected. I feel like if I cancelled today, 3 cancellations would look really bad-- but does it look worse than a terrible score because LG totally f*cked you? lololol

Thanks for the help!!

KJS

I had two sections of LG. THEY ARE RIDICULOUSLY HARD! I had no mental power left after those two sections!!! How do you guys feel about those two sections??

The first question to the second game needs to be re-evaluated. I wasted so much time on this “easy” question and I still couldn’t figure out which one didn’t follow the rules. Anyone else had trouble?