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LG is consistently my worst section on PTs. When I try a Logic Games section without the pressure of finishing in 35 minutes, I usually do pretty well (maybe 2 or 3 wrong answers), but when I do a timed section, I'm getting 8 or 9 questions wrong and sometimes I run out of time completely.

I think my problem is keeping track of the time, though I don't have this issue with LR or RC. I feel confident in my ability to make inferences and diagram games, but I'm sure there are ways to improve that as well.

Any tips on keeping time/moving quickly through logic games? Am I just being impatient? It's just frustrating because I can see improvement in every other area that I'm working on.

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I chose (A) because I thought verbal explanations of those medical experts are not effective enough for judges and jurors to understand such testimony, which is explained at the end of the final paragraph, and "appreciation of the difficulty involved in explaining medical data" is explained in line 57-59.

(C) also looked a good choice, but I couldn't find the exact moment of "acceptance of accuracy of such testimony" in the passage.

Could you clarify why could (C) be better answer choice than (A)?

Thank you!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-62-section-1-passage-2-questions/

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https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-68-section-4-game-4/

Hi, I'd like to share a method I used for pt68 game 4. At first glance, it seems like you have to brute force this game; however, you can solve it in a more efficient manner. With this method, this game took me a little under 9 min. Before starting this explanation, I will assume you understand the rules but let me know if you would like that explained as well.

The first step is to understand what the possibilities are in this game. It seems like anything could happen, but we are actually quite limited once we apply a few rules. One technique I found helpful in this game (and other similar ones) was to split via the Q3 rule. One with Q3 (therefore making the rule irrelevant) and one with Qnot3 (therefore triggering Q-S). By doing this, we no longer have to worry about whether or not to apply the conditional rule. Another thing I added towards my rules was that there must be something in between J and G (since they are both finance); the rule ended up looking like this J-X-G-R (just remember the X means "something"). This same concept can be applied to the Qnot3 rule; the result is Q-X-S-Y (the X here and the other X does not necessarily have to be the same thing, it's just there to represent the "something" that has to be there).

So let's start with the Q3 game board. With Q3, next we want to look at J; J has a minimum of 3 things after it so it would seem the only possible spots for J would be 1,2,4. It turns out 1 is not possible because there's nothing that can go in between J (1) and Q (3) other than Y, but Y has S before it. Therefore, we only have to look at J in 2 and 4. Whether J goes in 2 or 4, G and R must go after Q, otherwise we would violate the consecutive rule. If J is 2, we need something in 1 that is NOT finance. This means either S or Y, but not Y because of the S-Y rule. If J is in 4, G must be in 6 (can't put G next to J) and R must be in 7. To go in between J and G, we need something thats NOT finance. Again, this means S or y, but not S because of the S-Y rule again. This leaves us with S and H for 1/2 but since Q and S are of the same group, they must be separated by the H.

Gameboard 1.1 S J Q _ _ _ _ G-R, Y, H These 4 letters can go anywhere as long as they maintain the sequence required and the no consecutive rule. There's a few possibilities here, but it's really not that many nor is it complicated to see.

Gameboard 1.2 S H Q J Y G R (it's completely filled!!)

Next up is the seemingly complicated Qnot3 split. It ends up not being filled in at all, but we only have to remember 2 sequencing chains. As mentioned earlier, Qnot3 triggers our conditional rule leaving us with Q-X-S-Y. This sequence along with the previous J-X-G-R sequence is all we have to keep track of, and H. Once we place one letter, things will start to fall into place.

Gamebaord 2 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [Qnot3] Q-X-S-Y J-X-G-R H(just dont put this next to G or J)

The questions go by pretty quickly.

I'll skip question 17.

Question 18. If Y is 4th... it is best to just look at one gameboard first to see what we can eliminate quickly. Let's put Y4 into 1.2. The result is S J Q Y G R H. B, C, E get eliminated. So we are left with A (J2) and D (Q3). The next board to look at is our only other possibility, which is 2. If Y is 4, then according to our sequence, we must have Q-X-S in 1,2,3 respectively. J can't 5,6,7 since there's 3 things after it so the only spot left for J is 2. The result is Q J S Y G R H. A (J2)

Question 19. If G is 4th, could be true, let's look at a board that has a lot filled in (ie 1.1) So S J Q G _ _ _ with R Y H to place. Scanning the answer choices quickly, you should see E (Y6). We can simply have S J Q G R Y H. E (Y6)

Question 20. Quick and easy, scan through the choices to see if we have anything filled in from our boards. B (H2)

Question 21. For this question we will have to do a bit of work, but nothing too hard since we only have simple rules to follow. If J is 3, we can only be looking at gameboard 2. _ _ J _ _ _ _ ... X-G-R will go to the right of J. What can go to the left of J? We can't put S on 2 because there's 2 things before it and we can't put Y on 2 because there's 3 things before it, so we're left with Q and H; H and J also can't go next to each other so we must have H Q J _ _ _ _ S-Y G-R . Since this is a could be true, the answer choice will most likely be one with S, Y, G, or R. That leaves us with A, D, E. G can't be 4th since J is 3rd [BYE A]. S can't be 2nd since Q is 2nd [BYE D]. Y 5th is ok ... H Q J S Y G R E (Y5)

Question 22. S could be what except...check your previous work!! S1 is in 18. S3 is in 18. S4 is in 21. We don't have anything for S5 or 6, but that's ok because now we only have to test 1. I would choose S6 because that will force Y7. _ _ _ _ _ S Y (this will be gameboard 2 so just fill it in using our remaining sequence chains) We can have J Q G R H S Y. S6 works so our answer will be D (5)

Question 23. To do this question most efficiently, you'll have remember our earlier rules about sequences. If we put R4, that forces J-X-G into 1,2,3 respectively thus placing us in gameboard 2. J _ G R _ _ _ Q-X-S-Y H The only thing that can go in between J and G is Q and H, but not H since it's finance (along with J and G) therefore.. J Q G R _ _ _ S-Y H R and S are both nutrition therefore we are forced into this result J Q G R H S Y C(R4)

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I've been taking practice tests for about a month now (only 1 or 2 a week) but every test I've taken my score has gone up. It's making it really challenging to anticipate where I'll be on test day. Any thoughts?

Diagnostic: 156

June 2015 test: 160

Recent practice tests:

Pt 62: 165

Pt 63: 166

Pt 64: 167

Pt 65: 168

Pt 66: 169

My hope is to take PT 67-70 before test day, maybe those will give me a better picture?

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I was recently given advice on how to do Reading Comp and the instructor said to first glance over the questions and get a general idea of what the questions are going to ask (i.e look for key phrases/words that are specifically ask about). This process is supposed take no longer than a minute and it is supposed to be "whatever jumped out at you and stuck as you glanced over the questions in that minute." After which, you would continue your normal RC process (but now when those words pop up as you read the passage, you'll have more awareness as to their importance.)

I can't recall if this method was specifically endorsed or discouraged on 7sage, so I thought I would ask the community.

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The conclusion here is that "crying must have the effect of reducing emotional stress".

The first time I read the stimulus I thought the flaw/gap here was; we are not sure that crying itself decreases stress, maybe the hormones causes the person to cry to reduce stress.

So I chose "C", because I assumed the answer choice stated: that the stimulus failed to address if the hormones led to decrease of stress by crying, or crying led to the decrease of stress by removing hormones.

Isn't that another legitimate flaw here?

I could see how "E" is right, how the argument confused that hormones might be the cause of the stress, rather than a response to stress...but that was way out of my radar.

How do I make sure I don't make these mistakes again?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-68-section-2-question-24

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Yep, it has hit me again. I've seen my last two PTs sink below my average and I'm starting to get negative thoughts about game day. I want to take 4 more PTs and BR before the 24th. Should I just take off two days? I get super guilty if I take a couple of days off but I think I really need it.

Any advice is greatly appreciated!

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Those who have taken pt-73 as a timed test, how did you score in its LR compared to other 70s tests?

This question was fairly confusing.

We know from the premises that humor is important for comedy. C says that comedies should find their humor in stylistic portrayals.

So stylistic portrayals are very relevant and important for the comedy film Quirks, because that is where comedy is expected to find humor. Thus, criticizing Quirks for being non-realistic is wrong.

D doesn't counter the argument's conclusion that the criticism of film for not being realistic is wrong. D can not be seen as justifying the conclusion because though it says the film is successful, it doesn't mean that criticism of the film for not being realistic is not valid. A film could be successful and still deserving of criticism for not being realistic.

why is C not the best choice?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-73-section-2-question-06/

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I usually finish answering all the questions in the nick of time or have to skip a couple of them.

My current strategy is to first skip all the parallel method of reasoning, parallel flaw, or long principle questions, (regardless, not even assessing the difficulty) then attempt them all at the end. Thus, the skipped (guessed) questions usually end up being those questions.

Do you think it’s a good strategy or should I make a change? I will appreciate your thoughts/experience!

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N.A Defender Type Answer Choices and Strengthen Eliminating the Weakness Answer Choices

I somehow feel that those two answer choices are very similar. Does anyone here have opinion on how those two answer choices differ? Those question types are both assumption type questions, and I assume that is why I feel those two are from similar (not the same) grounds.

For example, this is an made up argument but...

Assumption: This september, there are more people coming to watch movie in theatre A.

Conclusion: Therefore, theatre A would collect more profit this month.

Strengthen (Eliminating the Weakness AC) and NA AC could be both something like the theatre did not offer large price discount this September.

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Hi,

I'm taking the 7sage starter pack and I just got to Must be True questions. I really want to go faster on my valid logic arguments, but I don't want to waist LSAT questions before I'm actually comfortable with valid logic formulas. I was wondering if there were any sort of website or books that could give me drills for logic problems. Thanks!

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I need help in understand why D is wrong. I understand why E is correct. My reasoning is below, if you think my reasoning is faulty please let me know!! Thank you!

So I diagrammed the stimulus as such:

SAT --> PCS --> --LPR --> SGM

--SGM --> LPR --> --PCS --> --SAT (this is the contrapositive)

A) This answer choice is going in the wrong direction. We cannot infer anything about squeezing foreign competitors out of the global market, from a country raising prices.

B) Faulty conditional logic. We know a chain of conditions that can lead to a country being squeezed out of the global market, however, we cannot use that condition as a sufficient condition. It takes a necessary condition and makes it sufficient and uses a previously used sufficient condition and makes that necessary. This is an incorrect reversal.

C) I eliminated this because of the clause "their foreign competitors must have adopted new manufacturing techniques", just because they lowered their production costs more rapidly it doesn't mean that they adopted new manufacturing techniques, it could have been because of some other reason.

D) This is what I am unsure of. I said this is wrong because it is comparative, it's bout what happens to a particular country not comparing both countries. However, I think two countries are being compared which contradicts my whole reasoning. So, if someone could help me out in understanding why D is wrong, I would be most appreciative.

E) This is the contrapositive of the first two premises and thus the correct answer.

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So, I got this question right and I understand why the correct answer is correct and the others are wrong, but I need a little help figuring out C. Is it wrong because of the word only?

A) Murray never states his opinion on this, he just states that Jane claims this and her criticism is wrong in she does not criticize others.

B) M doesn't say whether it is wrong or right, he is just critiquing J's argumentation. J never says she thinks this is wrong although I think it is implied in her criticism of the politician.

C) I was deciding between this and E, I ultimately went with E because I thought only was too strong and there could be reasons other than her dislike such as the potential principle that it is wrong to accept gifts from lobbyists.

D) Jane agrees with this, Murray we don't know how he feels. All we know is that he doesn't like Jane singling out the one politician.

E) I would say this is true because of both arguments. M says regardless of Senator Brandon's involvement at least others have done the same. J acknowledges that she has not criticized the same point in other politicians indicating that Senator Brandon is not alone in this practice.

So, if someone can help me understand C better or let me know if I am on the right track, I would be most appreciative!

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I am BRing this question and am having a hard time convincing myself why the answer is A. not E. any input would be helpful.

Descriptive Flaw Question:

Scientists found that there is a greater frequency of illness among people who sleep atleast 8 hours per night than there is for people who sleep significantly fewer hours. This shows that mild sleep deprivation isn't unhealthy and probably bolsters your immune system

A. Another factor that contributes to both phenomena - Sure this seems reasonable maybe eating a bunch of kale makes you sleep terribly and also makes you get sick less often so sleep deprivation doesn't bolster your immune system

B. Wrong - The passage doesn't take a position on whether sleeplessness is the ONLY factor that contributes to immune system development, this is not a flaw with the argument

C. Wrong - An amalgamation of LSAT buzzwords that is meant to attract plebs

D. Wrong - I don't think it takes for granted that an observable correlation would occur, it sounds like the passage establishes that something observable happened and tries to explain it.

E. The passage says "wow people get sick less frequently when they're sleep deprived, it must be that sleep deprivation is not unhealthy" this flawed reasoning seems to be exactly what is described in answer choice E. Because illness is not associated with sleep deprivation then sleep deprivation must not have other negative consequences. What if sleep deprivation also gives you cancer, what if sleep deprivation also makes you fall asleep at the wheel. This flaw just seems considerably larger to me than any issue of not considering that there is a third factor at play as per answer choice A.

Any insight on this question would be greatly appreciated.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-74-section-1-question-18

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Hi guys,

I've reached a precarious situation in which my performance on the RC has become a trade-off between time and accuracy. If I try to run through the passages quickly, I tend to get many answers incorrect. If I try to spend more time on each question, I generally increase my chances of getting those questions right but I find it difficult to finish the last passage (not necessarily the 4th one). Does this happen to anyone else? How can I resolve this conundrum?

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Hi all,

I've been reviewing my PT performance, and I seem to be missing the hardest problems in LR (across a variety of Q types). Any recommendations for how to improve on the hardest problems in LR?

Thanks!

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Hi,

I'm not sure why C is the answer and D is not.

I thought all the sentence before the last one support the last sentence.

It seems like C comes from the second sentence.

In this stimulus there are two "but" and was not sure which is middle-conclusion and which is the main conclusion but I thought it's more natural that the first one supports the second one.

Could anyone explain why C is the answer? And why D is wrong?

Thanks in advance

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-78-section-3-question-18/

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