Hi, just joined 7Sage and had a quick question that I thought I would try to clear up before the LSAT on Saturday! (:/ pretty nervous).

I've been studying on my own for a while and have made pretty good progress in terms of where I am now and where I started. Everything that I've read, whether here, a Kaplan source, or other test prep materials suggest that you find the conclusion first for the LR questions. Now I've digested this and if you hand me a question I can point out the conclusion and premise(s) without any problem usually. What I'm curious about is, for those that are scoring really well on the LR sections (like let's say no more that -3/4 per section) or finish them with a lot of spare time, or both if you're an LR beast, do you actually go into the question, having read the question stem, and just first look for the conclusion and circle, underline, mental note whatever, and THEN read the rest?

What I've been doing, and I've improved but I still cut it really close to time in the LR sections (and I think this is partly because of getting stuck on long time sucking questions or when I have those epic mind civil wars over two remaining answer choices), is I just read the whole stimulus and just make a note of what is background/premise and what is conclusion. I don't actively SEARCH for a conclusion indicating word, read the conclusion and then read the rest. Just read it all the way through once, and maybe sometimes I have to go back and reread a line or two once I've identified the conclusion/premise.

I know it's probably not the wisest thing to try to switch this up before Saturday. But I've been wondering if the hard practicing suggested in the beginning of learning how to tackle LR questions with drills on Conclusion and Premise identification is just for you to understand the difference in the beginning or if actually helps with speed/accuracy if you just kind of chop up the stimulus like that.

Anyways, any thoughts/advice would be great. It would be nice to reduce my missed questions in LR for Saturday, even missing 3-4 less than I am right now could realistically put me in the low 170s which would be lovely. In addition to practicing for the last days of keeping mindful of timing, not getting stuck and, for the most part, going with intuition for those answer choices you bounce back and forth between, anything to help me anchor down these sections a bit more would be amazing.

Cheers to everyone taking the test on Saturday!

My question is in reference to rolling admissions for law schools. Which do you believe is better? Applying with a 162 on the September test (so sending in applications mid-October) or a 166 on the December test and applying very early January? Most schools I am applying to have a March 31st deadline. Will financial aid be completely gone by January?

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I'm wondering if it's best to start with later answer choices on some of the harder LG questions (rule suspension, 5 IF). Obviously these are time sinks intended by the test makers - especially because if you don't notice any special restrictions you need to try all choices... so it seems like they purposely make the answer choice later ones (E,D..) So is it in our interest to start with later answer choices if we need to test through them?

Any tips/guidelines on what to write on your review sheet?

After doing the Stained Glass game (PT 62, Game 2), then watching JY's explanation, I realized I made a major time-waste error when I split the game based on where I placed R....

It seemed like a good idea at the time... but I realize now that it would create 6 different boards...

Anyone have general guidelines on when to split and when not to split?

Is it worth doing simple stats to realize there would be 3x2=6 different gameboards and not worth it?

Are there other rules/guidelines anyone suggests?

Hey, hello guys. I'm new to this thing, but not new to LOGIC. Are there any places in which I can go and meet people in hopes of finding a good study buddy? I'm in the Tampa/ St. Pete area. I'm willing to cover those to cities.

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Most of us are taught to make inferences for game Rules, but perhaps we should all be more on guard to make inferences when interpreting Questions….

Example:

LSAT 62 – Section 3 – Game 2:

When I hit question 11, I was already mentally exhausted so I didn’t make the key inference that JY pointed out…. that there was 1 g and 2 rs. Then it occurred to me that a lot of seemingly “local” questions state things a less than obvious way – and it’s far more effective to look for inferences IN THE QUESTION.

Again, I'm thinking we can all improve on effectiveness in LG if we also look to draw inferences in SOME questions - at least ones like in the example - they appear local but still too broad at first...

Thoughts?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-72-section-3-question-11/

Hi folks, I can't for the life of me figure out why the correct answer for question 11 in sec. 3 of the June 2014 test is choice A. (This is the question regarding citizen opposition to a new hiking trail on the grounds that users will litter.) Aren't both C and D better choices?

My thanks to anyone who has any idea!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-71-section-3-question-18/

I thought the answer might be D for a very different reason.... the circumstances are specifically described as being about people who don't already own the item, but the survey is about people who do own the item. ie... if you don't already own a GPS system in your car, don't buy one because most cell phones have them - and of course most people who already own a GPS system in their car will like it.... but, again, it's not worth buying because you likely already have a cell phone with GPS.....In sum, I can see that being the reasoning behind D, with the sample being the survey as a whole --- and the group actually referring to people that don't own these things already.

But I have difficulty seeing the explanation JY gave... we're often given survey results - and in surveys there usually is a discrepancy between people who respond and people who don't.... why are we splitting hairs over it here? ie 55 percent of respondents prefer candidate X.... In an LSAT question we normally wouldn't dismiss the result simply because MAYBE there's a discrepancy between respondents and non-respondents... I think LSAC would give us a differently worded question or maybe we'd have to guess the Nec. Assum. But respondent deviation seems way too subtle - even for LSAC - to be the reasoning behind choice D.

Thoughts?

After a ton of hard work, I'm breaking 170 and want to ensure 170 on test day or do better. I have only 1 new PT left which I'll take before the LSAT next week....

But for the rest of my time I'm debating whether to redo some old PTS (there were some recent ones I did before deciding not to take the December LSAT last year) or just watching videos from 7Sage that I haven't done yet.

I've taken other courses before so I only used about 1/4 of the 7sage course videos to help in Key Areas. But I do like the 7Sage method overall and I wonder if it's better to use the rest of the course material (and practice) to really refine my approach.

So redo a couple old recent PTs or more 7Sage videos and practice? Thoughts?

Hey everyone. I was just wondering if you had any advice re: the recentness of prep tests. I have done a fair amount of them, but none more recent than prep test 58. Is it necessary to do the absolute most recent ones or are the older ones sufficiently similar to what I can expect to see next week?

So my dog died yesterday. I know. She has terrible timing. Every drill I've done in the last 24 hours, I totally lose focus and wander off. I can't seem to think of any method other than to say "just focus" to myself. This method is obviously not great. I know I'm not the only one who has had distractions to manage. If anyone can share ways they combatted distractions or a wandering mind, any strategy to keep you on track, I would greatly appreciate it !

I have read the Reading Comprehension bible, LSAT Trainer, and Voyager's guide on TLS.com. I still can't improve on reading comprehension. I keep missing 8-10 questions every time. With just a couple of days I am freaking out. I wanted to take the September LSAT but this is the only thing scaring me for the test and I really do not want to take the December LSAT. Are there any other tips that you all have. Maybe I am just not cut out to do well in Reading Comp.

During a PT, does anyone skim the RC passages before you start? If so, do you find it helpful as far finding a pacing strategy through the RC section.

I noticed when I skimmed the upcoming passage 4 - to confirm the number of Qs, I was more confident about spending time on the hard passage 3 that I was working on.

What is your strategy for the type of questions that ask you to add the next sentence to the end the passage?

Hello, I am trying to improve on logic games and am wondering if recycling old games is a good strategy. I do not want to burn out through other logic games in PTs because I will need those for simulated test prep conditions.

In short, does using old logic games that one has already completed have any value when attempting to get better?

Can anyone explain to me in detail why "some" statements with negations in them are reversible? For example, "A some /B" or "/A some B"

I've been reviewing the lessons on some and most relationships, but I'm getting caught up over the reversibility of some statements with negations in them. It just doesn't make sense to me...maybe it's just a concept that needs to sink in?

Any help will be appreciated!

I've loved this course so far! However, one thing I struggle with more than anything is diagramming the Logic Games. For me, this is the hardest part of the section and I have lesser confidence in this section than all the others. Time and space for drawing is a constriction that further messes with my confidence, although I do diagram each clue out. My biggest program after is combining the clues. Can you offer any tips or suggestions?

As the test date approaches, I'm trying to study and improve as quickly as possible. I'm still making mistakes in the law and science related passages of RC. I've already been reading a lot of science sites/magazines, but I'm not sure what else I can do. Any recommendations would be immensely appreciated! :)

Wondering if the test actually starts at closer to 9 ie 20 to 30 minutes to take attendance and fill out forms.

Does anyone know?

I'm debating whether to get up at 7 or 630 cuz I want sleep but want the 2 hours for my brain to be fully alert.

So in my mind I attack NA questions pretty methodically: negating each answer choice and determining which one wrecks the argument, while also taking into consideration the bridge and shield types of assumptions that I learned about here (and the powerscore lessons too for that matter). I'm still fucking up. I've corrected my earlier mistake, where I tended to conflate SA and NA questions, but I'm still missing a significant number. Is anyone else having this problem? Any advice?

When looking at the answer choices for SA questions would it be OK to immediately eliminate those that begin with only, always, no, etc.?

So I was reading through a Kaplan LR practice book (which I found mostly useless) the other day and came across a certain strategy that they suggest for attacking Logical Reasoning sections on the exam.

They suggest that you should do questions 1-17, and then turn to the end of the section and complete questions 26-18 backwards. The logic behind it is that there are easier questions hidden at the end of the sections to reward those who make it the entire way through, so you want to get those easy points.

Does anyone actually use this strategy or have any opinion on it? I know that there are sometimes easy questions towards the end of LR sections, but questions 20-26 also tend to have a few of the most difficult as well. I also thought that this may increase my chances at f*&#ing up the bubbling on my answer sheet.

Does anyone have any advice for improving my logic games score as quickly as possible? I'm happy with my reading comp and LR scores at the moment, but have found improving in games to be a slow struggle. I've been using JY's method, but with only two weeks left, I'm still only consistently finishing about 3/4 games in 35 minutes. Any advice would be much appreciated!

Hi guys - I've been having wildly varying scores in my RC sections during my PTs. I go from 25-26/27 and can drop to 18-19/27 on a bad day. Not sure what's going on here, especially given that my LR & LG scores are consistently where I need them to be. Any insight/tips would be appreciated. RC is killing me!