Hey 7Sage,

12 days until the Sept exam, WOOT! I am seeking advice on what PTs to do in the next two weeks. I have already done nearly

all the exams. My only completely untouched exams are old exams -- 39 and 44. Maybe also 10 and 13. Thus, I don't think I should focus on those in the next two weeks, although they are new to me. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think I want to look at the newest PTs again, since they're nuanced compared to older tests. I have done 70-72 and 75-80 once each. I figure I will do 3 more before the 16th. Should I do 78-80? Does it matter? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Did anyone find a more simpler way to tackle game 4 in this pt?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-64-section-2-game-4/

Are we supposed to assume that these chemicals are initially "harmless" or that the dilution process caused them to become harmless? There is nothing in the passage discussing whether or not the chemicals are harmless.

No other answer choice makes sense, but Answer choice A requires some form of assumption to be made.

some insight please.

Unfortunately, I find myself frequently narrowing down RC answers to two choices, then picking the wrong one*. This is especially the case with MAIN POINT questions (although I have no problem identifying conclusions in LR stimuli).

While I know the common types of incorrect ACs (out of scope, too narrow, unsupported, etc.), that knowledge doesn't seem to be helping me, especially in a time crunch.

I've also come across seemingly conflicting information in my study materials* concerning main point questions: some say it has to encompass all the main points of the paragraphs (or else it's too narrow), while others say it should just focus on the main conclusion and any subsidiary conclusions shouldn't be mentioned (or else it's too broad). Which is correct?

It's hard to find the right answer when I'm unsure exactly what it needs to include (or exclude).

ANY help is greatly appreciated, especially that which I can apply within the next couple days (if possible).

Thank you!!!

Background:

**(I've just been studying on my own with the help of some misc. prep books and free online materials [ya girl is broke], but need some additional help.)

From my understanding, RC seems to be subjective. I'm still unsure on which approach to use as all of them give me similar results.

How do you all approach RC? Suppose you have a passage in front of you. Do you refer back to the passage? How long do you usually spend on reading the passage? Do you notate at all? What were your RC scores when you first started and what are they now?

Thanks!

This is by far my worse section. I'm currently scoring a 161and missing like 10 questions on RC. Any tips to lower that to at least - 6.

Hey guys! Can someone please help me with understanding exactly how to do BR for reading comp? It's seems much more intuitive to me how do to BR for LR and LG but not so much for RC. Thanks for your help:)

I've been studying for this test properly for about a year now, meaning that I've been taking practice tests and blind reviewing them. I've been somewhat familiarizing myself with the LSAT material for about two years now but only last year did I start taking practice LSATs. I've taken 20-30 practice tests until now. I was feeling fairly confident until I took my last three LSATs, which are recent. I scored a 164 on two of them and a 163 on one of them. When I blind reviewed those exams my score went up anywhere from a 170 to a177. I'm aiming for one of the top 20 law schools and, therefore, my score of 164 won't cut it. What do you guys think I should do? and do you think that I could potentially achieve my BR score on a timed LSAT?

Thanks for your feedback.

Hi,

I'm having a lot of trouble eliminating D on this question, and would love some help if possible! My reasoning:

D) Was the species to which the recently discovered [earlier] dinosaur [X] belonged related to T. rex?

If yes, and T. rex descended from X, this seems to strengthen the author's argument as it suggests that the T. rex features evolved in an earlier ancestor that evidently did not require them for its size. In this scenario the features would have just been passed down to the T. rex, offering an alternate explanation to the scientists' hypothesis and strengthening the author's argument.

If no, and the T. rex and X were unrelated, I feel like this would weaken the author's argument as it would make it difficult to compare the two dinosaurs. Even if X did not evolve these features to support its size, T. rex still may have and it's just a coincidence that they are similar. This would leave us back where we started as the author's evidence for calling the scientists' hypothesis into question is now irrelevant.

Any help clearing this up would be greatly appreciated, I've spent way too long on this question :P

Please note that the information below will change to reflect the information we get! Contribute if you can via the official September 2017 LSAT discussion (linked at the bottom of this thread) without going into too much detail. If you think something is wrong or should be added, please post in the thread and let me know.

Real Sections:

LG:

-Types of Food/Specials in Different Restaurants

-Students/Assignments

-Investigators/Suspects

-Films/Theatres

RC:

-Forests/Deforestation and Plantations

-Judges/Opinions

-Native American Language/Radio

-Directive/General Theories (Marx/Freud)

LR:

-Cars Sold to Junkyards for Parts

-Moose/Deer

-Jazz

-Crows Divebombing/Masks

-Raven Feeding Experiment

-Cuttlefish

-Acme Automotive

-Cost of Energy Use/Two Towns

-Perimeter Lights/Vandalism

-Nuts/Calories/Weight

-Disease X/Protein/Heart Disease

-Computer/Basic Skills

-Shakespeare Play

-Morally Right/Wrong Criteria/Revealing a Secret

-Gold Artifacts and Mines/China

-Beads Used as Currency

-Homophones

-Tarantula

-Pet Owner's Allergies

Experimental Sections:

LG:

-Violins/Instruments

-People/Cities

-Foresters

RC:

-Astronomy

-WWI Activist

-Louvre

-Pyramids

-Quantum Theory

LR:

Art Critic/Opera

UNCONFIRMED:

If you can confirm that these are real / experimental, please do so by PMing me or posting in the main thread.

LG:

LR:

This thread is closed for discussion. Official post Sept. LSAT discussion stickied!

Wondering if anybody on here has just taken the Sept 2017 LSAT in Australia? It is different from the US version and hoping to gain any insight into the experimental sections/any general thoughts you had !

I had 3 LR so i know that my LG and RC were real.

From what i can remember:

LG1: One layer sequencing game

Had a Condition that M-W.

R either first or 6th

LG2: Something with artefacts

LG3:[completely skipped as pressed for time]

LG4: Double layer sequencing game

Buildings being erected either Upper or Lower (Buildings FGHI)

RC:

-reading about kente woven fabric

-reading about whether chemistry and physics are linked

-reading about law systems in UK and technology

Any info about how many questions were in each of your LRs would be super helpful!

Thanks :))))

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I am confused by question 8. I was down to C and E, ultimately chose E, but only due to pure luck.

I don't know why C is supported but E is not.

The potential support for C is in line 23, where it says "one problem in studying the effects of drilling waste discharges..." But it just says there is a problem in studying. It doesn't say that the study is done. Perhaps the study wasn't done due to the problem. Who knows? Another potential support is just the whole second and third paragraphs of Passage B. They tell us that WBM is less harmful than OBM to the environment. That potentially implies that a study was done?

The potential support for E is in line 32, where it says that Drilling mud is normally released during the drilling phase of a well's existence. We know that the mud is discharged, although we don't know if it is continuously discharged into the sea.

To me, C and E both have weak support. I don't know why C is more supported than E.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-54-section-1-passage-2-passage/

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So I got my score and ultimately got a 157. I'm bummed but...what can you do? I bought the 7sage starter and will be playing catch up on studying today. Does anyone have any tips? I have a goal of high 160's.

Hi there. I received my Sept LSAT score (167) last night and scored substantially lower than my prep-tests (avg173). I knew walking out of the test that my score would be lower as I screwed up the timing on my RC section pretty substantially and ended up rushing through the last passage, barely reading and answering the questions. My top school is NYU -- I was planning on applying ED and for the RTK scholarship. I am going to retake in December, but this eliminates the opportunity to apply ED and for the RTK scholarship ( I think?).

I guess I'm wondering if there are any other options-- is there any point in applying ED with my Sept. LSAT score and allowing my December score to come in later? Or is it possible to apply to the RTK scholarship with a Dec LSAT score (the application is technically due Jan 1st. but Dec. LSAT score release date is Jan 4th).

Applying as early as possible is something that has been emphasized so much by advisors that I guess I'm feeling apprehensive about a December retake, but I am confident that I can raise my score by at least 3 pts.

Any Advice would be much appreciated.

Hello,

I am looking for notes/comprehensive summary of the logical reasoning section for each question category. I would really appreciate if you message me your notes on the course.

Thank you so much!!!

So I have found, as with many others I am sure, that time is the enemy (in general but way more so on the LSAT) When fool proofing are you guys starting out timed then just reducing the time each round, or do you begin untimed? I am never sure exactly how much time to give myself. I am not 100% on games ever but with a solid 15mins I can figure just about anything out (sometimes I still miss a question), but I know I will NEVER have that for just one game. I am not sure with what games I should be giving myself 8-10 mins, and which I should be giving myself 5...i've been thinking for fool proofing to give myself 10 mins on all to begin with, then each round of 'retesting' reducing it by two minutes? does that sound like a good idea? I really need to improve my logic games because right now I am finishing PT tests and getting usually all of the questions I FINISH right, but only actually finishing 2/4 games, which as you can imagine is killing my score.

Hello all,

I was reviewing PT 77 S2 Q18 (link below) and was having a bit of trouble clarifying my thinking on it.

If an argument "fails to exclude" X, that means it does not explicitly rule out X, correct? This is different than "presumes" or "takes for granted" X where X would be an assumption the argument makes, right?

Am I thinking about this correctly?

Thanks for any help!

Link:

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-77-section-2-question-18/

Im trying to isolate why i found this section so hard. Anyone else have a hard time w it?

Has anyone taken this section before?

Luckily, I've been narrowed my LR score down to -2 ~ -3 per section in the 60s.

And I even had -1 on the first LR section of PT 67. But, I somehow got close to -10 or so on the second part of the LR.

This section doesn't really have many 5 star difficulty questions, but I found this section incredibily difficult.

Did anyone have similiar experience? How was your experience?

Thanks in advance! : )

So, I'm taking the December LSAT (my second test) and have just seen hardly any improvement on reading comprehension. I do well on the questions but hardly ever finish in time and end up guessing on most of the final passage. Any last minute tips to speed up??

Hello 7sage admin,

Could you guys put a target time on the RC passages? In the LGs, the target time is helpful, and I think that a target time for the RC passages would be super helpful, especially since the timing in RC feels much more unpredictable than the other sections. Obviously, everyone's going to be a little different based on background etc, but a ballpark figure would be awesome. Really loving the curriculum, keep up the good work!

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