anyone know how much sufficient and necessary is used in actual law school? just curious

I'm confused to when to diagram. some inference Q are obvious with logical indicators. Some are hidden or have causation in the argument and qualifiers (maybe, could etc). When do you diagram? what's the general rule?

Example: If the Logic games section is harder could that mean an easier RC section? Or is it always 100% independent of each other?

My issue is that I have taken a few tests and gone -10 on games but had really great other sections is it just unlucky or part of the LSAT writers doing?

Hi all, could someone help me see why B is not supported? The way I see it, the scientist shouldn't be allowed to profit from his technology... But if he isn't ALLOWED to do something, isn't that a restriction? And doesn't that go against the statement "Society should not restrict the performance... except to prevent negative effects" ?

His profiting wouldn't cause negative effects; it just wouldn't spread the benefits around. The second part of answer B says that allowing others to profit wouldn't diminish the scientist's own profits. But that's irrelevant, isn't it? Either way, it's still limiting/restricting the scientist. This seems inconsistent to me.

Thank you so much! I feel like I'm missing something very obvious here.

Hey Everyone!

So, LG and RC have always been my weakest sections. I'm working on RC now, and don't feel like I should post a thread requesting help since I haven't been able to isolate what it is about the section that drives me crazy -probably timing.

However, I've been drilling LGs on and off for the last 4 months, and I've yet to complete an entire section. The most I've completed were 3 games, with a -1 score between the three.

That said, I know my issue with LG is timing and sometimes the initial set-up. It takes me anywhere from 10-15 minutes to complete a game, regardless of how simple the game is. That said, is there any advice you guys and gals can offer? Now that I have another 6-8 months to study, I'm going to implement the "fool proof" method more than I have before.

Also, regarding LG when should we try to draw out all of the possibilities? Often I'll look at my initial set-up and think "Well...there are probably a ton of possibilities...off to the questions!" I then find out from J.Y's video that there were only 6-8 possibilities. After watching the videos, I beat myself up about not realizing that I could have cut my time in half by just writing out/finding all of the possibilities. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

My issue with determining whether I can write out all of the possibilities is timing. I worry that I'll waste time only to find out that there are more possibilities than I assumed, and that my now-random hypotheticals won't apply to any of the questions.

Hey 7Sagers! Had a student email me in with this question and I thought you could help out. Here it is:

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I finished your online course while ago and I'm doing PTs now. I have a question while I'm trying to improve my LG that you didn't mention in the online course. How do I decide whether to pull out all the subgameboard in such a short time?

I found to pull out all the subGB really useful for some of the LG questions like PT69 S2 G3, some are absolutely unnecessary. However, for some of the questions, like PT70 S3 G4, it looks like a game that you can, and might need to draw down all the possibilities by reading the rules but actually the questions are super straight forward. Drawing out the subGB is just burning out time and I didn't get enough time to transfer my answer to the answer sheet which is crucial.

I used the method in the course, which is, do the LGs which I think I haven't mastered multiple times. I always can finish the game within time and without mistakes by the second or the third time because I already knew how do I setup the game board and whether I should split it.

So, inside 35 mins on test day, how can I decide very quickly that if I should split the game board without wasting time? I found it is especially hard under pressure.

I had a hard time distinguishing the actual flawed reasoning here. I initially chose A because the logic matched perfectly, but changed my answer to E because E was more obviously flawed. My question is: when in doubt like this, is it best to just match the logic perfectly without worrying too much about identifying the flaw itself and just move on?

Here's JY's explanation: http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-69-section-1-question-14/

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Any chance of a pre sale for pt 76 explanations?

Dear fellow 7sagers,

The upcoming test will be my third and so last LSAT I'll be taking before I apply to law schools.

But there is a problem, namely, that I can't locate PT 76 anywhere.

I've taken all the PTs besides 75 and 76 and it's really important to me that I take PT 76 before test date.

Do any of you guys know where I might get it? If it is the case that it hasn't been published, do you know when it might become available?

Thanks!

Hi guys, I'm new here.

Someone might ask the same question before, but I'm wondering if any of you have used/are using both Velocity and 7Sage? I'm currently using TestMaster's Full Online Course. My TM account only gave me about two months of access of its online materials. I'm a full-time student and when my account first expired, I only finished 30% of the lessons. I had to spend another $700 on an extension, which only gave me two more months!! My TM account is about to expire again in two weeks.

So now I'm looking for a prep course that can supplement my study when I start doing PTs. I've watched some videos from both Velocity and 7Sage and both seem great to me. I plan to take the test in June 2016 and I have to start early because of my other school obligations. I would really appreciate it if you guys can give me some detailed comparisons between the two, specifically the 7Sage Ultimate+ and the Velocity Online Course!! I'm aiming for 170+. Any other test prep suggestions are welcome too.

Thanks!!

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Hey all,

I'm reaching out since I have run into a few problems with the LSAT that I didn't anticipate, as I'm sure some of you have as well. I started studying through this course over the summer, and planned to take the test in October. Then, probably around August, I decided to sign up for the December test only and not take it in October. Over the summer, my PT scores were slowly creeping up, but now that I am at school (a pretty challenging one at that), my scores have started to plateau at a point where I am not at all satisfied. I was around a 162-163 over the summer, but once school started, I kept at the curriculum (doing 2 tests and BR a week, along with the LSAT Trainer), but my scores have fallen to a lower plateau (158-160). I am signed up for the test in December, and still plan to take it then, but I am most likely going to take the test again unless there is some kind of divine intervention on test day. I am not really sure why my scores are falling, maybe its because I wasn't holding myself as strict as possible to the time restraints over the summer, or possibly vice versa, but I need advice regardless. By this point, I have done most of the 7sage curriculum and just finished PT 69 yesterday. But with finals around the corner, I was going to take at most 1 more PT before the real thing on the 5th. I was thinking about possibly taking the test in June, but I am not sure what my plan of action should be. I was thinking I should maybe go through 36-72 PTs again with a stricter sense of time, or at least focus on certain parts of the previous tests in places that I am having trouble in. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

When I do games, does not matter which type, I prefer to make as any boards as possible because this decreases the probability that I will get answers wrong. However, on some games, there are many probabilities and it takes more time than I want to spend on creating new boards. But, when I attempt not to make as many boards, it seems that I get more answers wrong.

Any advice on how I can come to a happy medium?????

I just had a very poor performance on a PT. I missed 3/4 LR questions because I did not know them no excuses. BUT I missed another 7!!! Because I misread something in the stimulus or did not correctly read it. How should I interpret this? I am at a point where I feel that I could go perfect majority of the time because I truly do know the test, however this PT score hurts. What should I do here?

I have been "just about to start" my LSAT prep for way too long now. I am a 2015 graduate with a full-time paralegal job and I first intended to study during college and take the June 2015. Bought Blueprint and never used it (senior thesis was too time consuming). Blueprint expired and I didn't renew. Then, December was the goal, but I didn't start prep and decided February would be better. I still haven't started and I'm worried that now I should take June, but I don't want to keep this cycle going. When I get home from work and my 1.5hr commute each day, I just don't feel motivated to study.

Part of what's holding me back is that I bought Blueprint and didn't use it, so I'm afraid of buying another course now and then having the same thing happen. My diagnostic was 153, with -16 LG, -8 RC and -5/6 LR. It is obvious that LG needs the most work. I feel comfortable with the type of thinking that LR and RC require, and I honestly feel that PTs will really help me in those areas, but the fact of the matter is, I have no LG competency right now, and in order to make PTs worth my time (and to avoid wasting them), I need to learn how to do LGs. I would like to score above 165.

I'm left with the question of whether I really need to spend money on a course (if I do, I think it will be 7Sage), or if the PowerScore Logic Games Bible can teach me what I need to know to start doing PTs. If I do 7Sage, is the Ultimate really necessary? Maybe a few meetings with a tutor would do it? Honestly, I'm lost, and some guidance would be very helpful.

My completed syllabus shows 99.8%, even though I have completed the entire course (sans the preptests which have a separate meter). Am I missing something here, or is it just stuck? It's making me a little nervous that I've missed something, and it doesn't seem like I have.

This is a necessary assumption question. I correctly identified what is the premise ( aesthic value --> possible for at least two readers to agree on the interpretation) and the conclusion ( objective evaluation of a poem is possible -> popular belief is false). I realized the gap immediately but still had an issue with the correct answer.

I see how the contrapositive of (D) would make it necessary for the conclusion but at first glance I thought it was a possible mistaken reversal. I assumed it would be aesthic value -> objective evaluation. Can someone please explain how to better approach NA questions when they play on conditional logic and a possible rule of thumb. Perhaps a better illustration of the conditional logic chain would help in absolute terms (ex. A -> B -> C etc.) Thanks!

I've studied for the LSAT for the past 8 months and have written the LSAT before so it won't be my first (or even second) sitting. I've been writing a PT most, if not every, weekend for as long as I remember. I'm scoring in a range on my timed PTs that if I were to get the average of those scores on test day I could close this chapter of my life and be happy (again, if I score closer to my BR scores I'll be even happier!).

Despite all this and feeling confident I have some nerves that are starting to build as we inch closer to the exam. I find that meditation (love that 24 minute one on the site) is helping a lot but still sometimes late at night my mind begins to wander. Anyone else feeling the same?

Maybe when that happens I should go for a midnight jog.

I fully completed the 7sage course and wrote practice tests 59-74 scoring between 158-160 constantly, however, I wrote the October test and failed miserably ( less than 150). while I was writing the October exam I managed to finish all the sections and felt pretty good about the majority of the sections, so the score I received didn't make sense to me, I'm not sure if getting 158-160 was just a fluke or if it is something about test day, Can you give me some tips on how to prepare for December and how I can score better.

Hey Everyone!

With the December test coming up, I'm seeing more and more of these threads appear. That said, I really am in need of some guidance. I was scheduled to take the October test, but realized that I was nowhere near my target score. I thought to myself, "surely, if I take it in December i'll be ready!" Turns out, I was wrong. Here's some background information about my situation:

Cold diagnostic (July 2015): An embarrassingly low 137. LG and RC destroyed me.

Most recent PT and average, respectively: 157 and 155.

UGPA: 3.94 (or 3.95...probably the former)

Target PT: 165

Target schools: UCLA, Northwestern, USC, UCI, Iowa, and pretty much any school in the T25 (I prefer to attend the ones listed).

So, what you all think? Postpone, again, and take it in June? Or, take a shot and cancel if things don't go well? I've gotten pretty good at ball parking my PT scores.

I feel like I'm wasting a ton of money by constantly moving/withdrawing. At this point, if I withdraw I will have spent around $260 to not take a test. I figure, I may as well take it just to get the experience.

P.s. My issue is with time...I can get -0 to -3 on every section...I just need 50min/section.

By the way, do cancelled tests appear on your record? I know they count as 1 of your 3 takes, but do schools actually see that you took the test?

Thanks!

Hey Everyone!

Just out of curiosity (I've already decided to withdraw from the December test), do schools seldom admit students who do not fall within their "25%, 50%, and 75%" LSAT/GPA numbers?

A friend of mine graduated from USC, and mentioned that he knows two people who were accepted with LSAT scores that were about 5 points below the "25%" number. I'm not sure if he was referring to USC law, but either way, how common is something like this?

I know that my GPA falls within the "75%" for the vast majority of schools, but my LSAT is lacking. Regardless of where I apply, I am aiming for a 165+, for the purpose of receiving a decent scholarship.

Just wondering why that is, if that is the case?? I mean they still are administered official LSATs why not weigh them equally to tests administered in other months...

Hey y'all, looking to get a few people together (via Skype) to cover 1 PT every weekend leading up to the December 2015 LSAT. The sessions will be on either Saturdays or Sundays, and the time depends on where people are located. Being that there is enough pressure on us all, I'd like to get together a nonjudgmental, yet serious group of people together.

PayPal has a feature called Bill Me Later where you can pay with credit, and as long as the $ is paid within 6 months, no interest is charged. The ability to pay over the course of 6 months would really help a lot of students who'd rather not have to pay everything all at once. Cambridge LSAT accepts PayPal and and I was wondering why 7sage doesn't. I think this added feature would help attract even more students. Would it be possible to add PayPal as a payment method?