haha I know the feeling @rachel649 I looked up my undergrad tickets and every single one was retired!!! Even my 11 year old Masters was a miss, people had moved to different schools or retired. I was lucky and had completed a graduate certificate in 2013 and had a teacher that loved me, otherwise it would have looked weird if I didnt have an academic one. Im just 2 years or less behind you :)
I'm 40! Yikes! Going to a Law School fair with many schools present on the 24th. Appreciate that input from yours, @346 There is no way I could attempt to get an academic rec... also went to a big state school, and the one I knew the best was very elderly. Work experience FTW!
OK oldsters, I just went to the LSAC Fair in NYC and did a lot of asking. Here are some things I learned that generalize:
1) if it's been more than 10 years, your academic letter is important but not as essential. What is essential is good proof you can do well in school. Reading, writing, analysis. I don't think I'll have a great letter from a professor and the answers I got were all over with regards to how much of a problem that would be, especially with an employer letter that can talk about those things. This helped me calm down a little bit. Schools vary! Check twice!
2) if you are in your 30s you will be among the oldest in your class most places. Asking the % over 30 got me much more useful info than that "# of years out of school" # most schools have. People would say "oh a huge percent of our student body is nontraditional" and they mean returning after 5 or 6 years, not 10+.
3) the personal statement! This one from all accounts does need to answer what you've been doing since undergrad or at least why law school now. Everyone I talked to said some variation of "oh we love returning students, they bring so much wisdom and experience and that is what we want to understand" so there you have it. You already knew that though. I think I am going to try to call the prelaw advisor at my undergrad school which is evidently something one can do as an alumna that I wouldn't have thought about doing (I was at a big state school.)
I will say getting in front of actual schools was incredibly useful, both for my sense of what they were like and what it was to be in a teeming room of mostly much younger people. The admissions people were not thaaaaat useful to be honest (every school has exceptional faculty, clinic opportunities to all that are interested, a tight-knit student body, etc, etc...) but some people were much more interested in talking about being an older student than others which was edifying. Also, the students who were there were very useful and open to being grilled and THAT ruled. It also really hammered home that for me I am going to need to visit schools in order to get a real sense of what is going on and what the differences are between schools and how I might fit in.
@93621.krebs I would like to start August 2017, but worry that a February test date will hurt my chances. Would love insight if anyone has any!
I feel you as I'm kind of having a similar dilemma. I work full time now, studying, and ideally I would like to start next August and apply this cycle, but I've decided the answer to this is to make sure my LSAT score is where I need it to be, then take, then apply. Any other order just doesn't make sense. Such as taking the LSAT in Feb if you are not ready.
Depending on where you're scoring now and what your ultimate goal is, you may be ready by February. It will be on the late side and some school don't consider Feb scores. So b sure to look into your target schools and see if they will accept a Feb score (plenty do).
Essentially, I would say that you'd be better off properly studying until you meet your goal and then applying, be it in Feb 17' or next fall.
Better to have a great LSAT score next cycle, apps ready, and apply on the first day than to apply on the later side with an LSAT score that doesn't represent your true potential.
Very happy to see there are others on 7sage! Nice to e-meet you all.
26, finished my MA last December. Took the test five years ago, totally bombed it (should've cancelled my scores) and quite bummed hat there's a phantom sixth year of score eligibility.
Re-taking in December, but having second thoughts, as it's a bit more difficult to study properly with a full-time job and a job on the side. I would like to start August 2017, but worry that a February test date will hurt my chances. Would love insight if anyone has any!
PS. Available to be an accountability buddy and/or PS reader :)
@tutordavidlevine115 yay it's almost your birthday!! happy early birthday :) will you be taking the day off the lsat?
:) Thank you !
Probably not haha. I've kind of been in the zone lately and I try to make sure I get some solid time in everyday except Sunday. I am probably going to call it quits sooner and go out for a nice dinner and maybe even have a few drinks.
@tutordavidlevine115 yay it's almost your birthday!! happy early birthday :) will you be taking the day off the lsat?
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haha I know the feeling @rachel649 I looked up my undergrad tickets and every single one was retired!!! Even my 11 year old Masters was a miss, people had moved to different schools or retired. I was lucky and had completed a graduate certificate in 2013 and had a teacher that loved me, otherwise it would have looked weird if I didnt have an academic one. Im just 2 years or less behind you :)
I'm 40! Yikes! Going to a Law School fair with many schools present on the 24th. Appreciate that input from yours, @346 There is no way I could attempt to get an academic rec... also went to a big state school, and the one I knew the best was very elderly. Work experience FTW!
OK oldsters, I just went to the LSAC Fair in NYC and did a lot of asking. Here are some things I learned that generalize:
1) if it's been more than 10 years, your academic letter is important but not as essential. What is essential is good proof you can do well in school. Reading, writing, analysis. I don't think I'll have a great letter from a professor and the answers I got were all over with regards to how much of a problem that would be, especially with an employer letter that can talk about those things. This helped me calm down a little bit. Schools vary! Check twice!
2) if you are in your 30s you will be among the oldest in your class most places. Asking the % over 30 got me much more useful info than that "# of years out of school" # most schools have. People would say "oh a huge percent of our student body is nontraditional" and they mean returning after 5 or 6 years, not 10+.
3) the personal statement! This one from all accounts does need to answer what you've been doing since undergrad or at least why law school now. Everyone I talked to said some variation of "oh we love returning students, they bring so much wisdom and experience and that is what we want to understand" so there you have it. You already knew that though. I think I am going to try to call the prelaw advisor at my undergrad school which is evidently something one can do as an alumna that I wouldn't have thought about doing (I was at a big state school.)
I will say getting in front of actual schools was incredibly useful, both for my sense of what they were like and what it was to be in a teeming room of mostly much younger people. The admissions people were not thaaaaat useful to be honest (every school has exceptional faculty, clinic opportunities to all that are interested, a tight-knit student body, etc, etc...) but some people were much more interested in talking about being an older student than others which was edifying. Also, the students who were there were very useful and open to being grilled and THAT ruled. It also really hammered home that for me I am going to need to visit schools in order to get a real sense of what is going on and what the differences are between schools and how I might fit in.
Hope this helps!
I'm 29! Just saw this thread for the first time, I'm so happy not to be alone!
I feel you as I'm kind of having a similar dilemma. I work full time now, studying, and ideally I would like to start next August and apply this cycle, but I've decided the answer to this is to make sure my LSAT score is where I need it to be, then take, then apply. Any other order just doesn't make sense. Such as taking the LSAT in Feb if you are not ready.
Depending on where you're scoring now and what your ultimate goal is, you may be ready by February. It will be on the late side and some school don't consider Feb scores. So b sure to look into your target schools and see if they will accept a Feb score (plenty do).
Essentially, I would say that you'd be better off properly studying until you meet your goal and then applying, be it in Feb 17' or next fall.
Better to have a great LSAT score next cycle, apps ready, and apply on the first day than to apply on the later side with an LSAT score that doesn't represent your true potential.
Thanks so much you guys, it really means a lot and makes me so happy! :D
@93621.krebs i'm also 26, finished my MA august 2015. :) planning to write the dec test as well :O
23 but feel quite old lol!
Happy Bday @tutordavidlevine115!
Very happy to see there are others on 7sage! Nice to e-meet you all.
26, finished my MA last December. Took the test five years ago, totally bombed it (should've cancelled my scores) and quite bummed hat there's a phantom sixth year of score eligibility.
Re-taking in December, but having second thoughts, as it's a bit more difficult to study properly with a full-time job and a job on the side. I would like to start August 2017, but worry that a February test date will hurt my chances. Would love insight if anyone has any!
PS. Available to be an accountability buddy and/or PS reader :)
Happy Birthday @tutordavidlevine115 ! May your journey to 30 be full of joy.
Happy birthday, junior! ;)
hi5 and awesome to "meet" the other olders. Let's do this!
Thank you @jhaldy10325 ! :)
:) Thank you! It is officially my Bday here in the states!
Happy birthday @tutordavidlevine115 !
@tutordavidlevine115 I admire your commitment! it's officially your bday in canada so happy birthday :)
:) Ok, but I will be back in 6 years!
Hahaha! :) I hope so too!
LOOOOL you guys are so mean! leave us youngins alone :P
http://fla.fg-a.com/grandparents/grandparents-dancing.gif
You're seriously awesome! wow.
Cracking me up - I started this journey at 48 and finally took the dang thing at 50 while still preparing for a retake:)
All the best to the late bloomers!
And to quote Garth Brooks, "I am much to young to feel this damn Old"
@tutordavidlevine115 hope you find someone like me to share my notes with in 1L to keep you young, heehee:)
Lol. Get out of here kiddo;)
Lol Steph ;)
... I feel so damn old it isn't even funny. I feel like my 21st birthday was 6 months ago. I can't believe I am almost half way done with my 20s...
:) Thank you !
Probably not haha. I've kind of been in the zone lately and I try to make sure I get some solid time in everyday except Sunday. I am probably going to call it quits sooner and go out for a nice dinner and maybe even have a few drinks.
Kicked out of the "Older" group...
TONS of members here are 30+.
@tutordavidlevine115 yay it's almost your birthday!! happy early birthday :) will you be taking the day off the lsat?