@emill1517 My favorite way to think about unless is this:
"A will occur unless B occurs."
In my head, this means that the only way for A not to happen (/A), is for B to happen. So, if A does not occur, then B did.
Translation: /A --> B
In this example, "There will not be a good show unless there are sophisticated listeners in the audience"
The only way for there to be a good show, is for sophisticated listeners to be in the audience. If there was a good show, then sophisticated listeners were there. Therefore, good show --> sophisticated listeners
Honestly the best way for me to get this is to understand the arrow only moves one way. It can never point to the left, it always has to point to the right
This is my second pass at the conditional logic module and I can finally see some progress in my accuracy and PTs... for those of you starting out: PLEASE do not move on until you know this stuff like the back of your hand. I will save you time and effort. Conditional logic is a score killer.
Absolutely baffled how powerful this lesson is. I thought this would be somewhat helpful but dang... I didn't have scrap paper on me and got confused the second I had tried again with scrap it immediately became clear 😅.
coming back here after realizing i really suck at conditional logic all the way from parallel method of reasoning LR questions is rough. I feel like I was demolishing causal reasoning or anything that wasn't conditional up to that point but the moment I ran into something with this kind of logic I would be stumped for 5 minutes. Moral of the story for anyone just starting out in this journey, do not skip ahead, stay focused and you will be far better off in the future not coming back to lick your wounds.
I diagramed correctly but did not diagram the contrapositive. I think that made it difficult for me to see the correct answer. I got this one wrong but I feel like i learned something so I think that's all that matters now.
If you see an answer (like A) that is immediately right, in that it conforms to your diagram, should you just pick it and move on? As soon as I read A and looked at my diagram, I knew it was right but psyched myself out trying to map out the other answer choices.
@RamseyEaton same thing also happened to me I'm wondering this. My guess is this is a speed test so it's probably a good idea to move on to the next question once you know for sure an answer is right. I am mostly only referring to conditionals though because they are mapped out and must be true. It buys more time for other questions that might take a while
For anyone who thinks the foundation lessons are too easy or straightforward, please don't skip them. During my first LSAT, I skipped them because I thought everything was straightforward and got this question wrong. This time around, I'm going through the foundations in depth and got this right (just went four seconds over the time limit)
@KhushyMandania this was also my experience! Made the effort to memorize all the group conditionals indicators this time and understanding/doing much better! :) *high five*
I got it right on the blind review, but I think it's because I focused more on the order and structure of the passage rather than just looking first at the answer choices. Fully understanding what you are reading first in order help's you figure out an answer choice that's 100% correct/provable.
I mapped out the question correctly into lawgic but failed to understand the answer selections for how they would map out on the lawgic mapping. Need more practice with understanding the answer selections.
I picked D because that made the most logical sense to me. It's going to be hard to ignore my logic and use the lawgic. Hopefully the longer I do this, the easier it becomes.
Got it right in 4:43. It feels great, but I realize I wasted time.
I chose answer A within 2 minutes, but continued to diagram out. Looking back, and considering the time pressure of the LSAT, I'm thinking if I spot a right answer I should move on immediately.
Is this wise, or does this increase my chance of making a stupid mistake?
I understood "if" as it could happen but might not, so chose a...why I did that I have no idea considering all the lessons have stated simply if-then, but I understand now. Hoping I won't have to draw everything out every time so I can get faster :)
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I translated into lawgic and got the perfect chain. But still got the answer wrong.
Can anyone help explain unless better? For some reason I am really struggling with the concept.
@emill1517 My favorite way to think about unless is this:
"A will occur unless B occurs."
In my head, this means that the only way for A not to happen (/A), is for B to happen. So, if A does not occur, then B did.
Translation: /A --> B
In this example, "There will not be a good show unless there are sophisticated listeners in the audience"
The only way for there to be a good show, is for sophisticated listeners to be in the audience. If there was a good show, then sophisticated listeners were there. Therefore, good show --> sophisticated listeners
@ckilk Thank you, very helpful!
I diagrammed wrong but somehow got the answer right. I'll have to go back and review necessary vs sufficient since they keep messing me up
this took me ages but i got it right... me before this module would never believe it
Mapping this one out made it so simple for me. Actually feel like I made progress
Honestly the best way for me to get this is to understand the arrow only moves one way. It can never point to the left, it always has to point to the right
i diagrammed right but still messed up on the ac's wtf
This is my second pass at the conditional logic module and I can finally see some progress in my accuracy and PTs... for those of you starting out: PLEASE do not move on until you know this stuff like the back of your hand. I will save you time and effort. Conditional logic is a score killer.
Absolutely baffled how powerful this lesson is. I thought this would be somewhat helpful but dang... I didn't have scrap paper on me and got confused the second I had tried again with scrap it immediately became clear 😅.
coming back here after realizing i really suck at conditional logic all the way from parallel method of reasoning LR questions is rough. I feel like I was demolishing causal reasoning or anything that wasn't conditional up to that point but the moment I ran into something with this kind of logic I would be stumped for 5 minutes. Moral of the story for anyone just starting out in this journey, do not skip ahead, stay focused and you will be far better off in the future not coming back to lick your wounds.
I diagramed correctly but did not diagram the contrapositive. I think that made it difficult for me to see the correct answer. I got this one wrong but I feel like i learned something so I think that's all that matters now.
mom, i got it right
got it right but took me 4 min lol
Is anyone else getting the drills but missing these questions? ;-; Advice?
I can't believe I got this right :0
Writing down the lawgic really helped. Lets go!!!
If you see an answer (like A) that is immediately right, in that it conforms to your diagram, should you just pick it and move on? As soon as I read A and looked at my diagram, I knew it was right but psyched myself out trying to map out the other answer choices.
@RamseyEaton same thing also happened to me I'm wondering this. My guess is this is a speed test so it's probably a good idea to move on to the next question once you know for sure an answer is right. I am mostly only referring to conditionals though because they are mapped out and must be true. It buys more time for other questions that might take a while
For anyone who thinks the foundation lessons are too easy or straightforward, please don't skip them. During my first LSAT, I skipped them because I thought everything was straightforward and got this question wrong. This time around, I'm going through the foundations in depth and got this right (just went four seconds over the time limit)
@KhushyMandania this was also my experience! Made the effort to memorize all the group conditionals indicators this time and understanding/doing much better! :) *high five*
I got it right on the blind review, but I think it's because I focused more on the order and structure of the passage rather than just looking first at the answer choices. Fully understanding what you are reading first in order help's you figure out an answer choice that's 100% correct/provable.
I mapped out the question correctly into lawgic but failed to understand the answer selections for how they would map out on the lawgic mapping. Need more practice with understanding the answer selections.
@DouglasNeumeyer me too. Not understanding the answer selection has been my biggest down fall. I also think that I second guess myself a lot.
I picked D because that made the most logical sense to me. It's going to be hard to ignore my logic and use the lawgic. Hopefully the longer I do this, the easier it becomes.
@GSUDREAM I hope you are doing well!
@TeklaCo Not really lol. But thank you so much.
@GSUDREAM same here, we got this man
I did not get it right but after seeing the explanation I think I understand. Can I get more practice with this somewhere?
Got it right in 4:43. It feels great, but I realize I wasted time.
I chose answer A within 2 minutes, but continued to diagram out. Looking back, and considering the time pressure of the LSAT, I'm thinking if I spot a right answer I should move on immediately.
Is this wise, or does this increase my chance of making a stupid mistake?
I understood "if" as it could happen but might not, so chose a...why I did that I have no idea considering all the lessons have stated simply if-then, but I understand now. Hoping I won't have to draw everything out every time so I can get faster :)
Got up and danced after getting this right.