Hey all,
This morning was rough..like really rough..as some of you may know I've been shooting for a mid-170s score and my PTs were on par with that grade.
This morning though, I just felt like I got hit by a brick wall. I don't feel confident in my score at all.
I wanted to know, what are the potential advantages of canceling? Do law schools only look at your top score, or do they average them? Does it depend on the school? And if so, which average and which take the top ones?
Thanks,
Paul
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Keep your head up, everyone! There is always December.
I bombed the easy LG bc my brain just shut down :( I'm not canceling.
My first section was an experimental reading comp. section. But I didn't realize it was experimental until the end :(
The proctor called 5 minutes when I hadn't even read the final passage...I started tearing up right there and my confidence was just shot..idk it was a bad experience
@jhaldy10325 Yeah. I've decided not to cancel and just see what my score is like. Praying for a big curve.
And yeah, that RC experimental just wrecked your mind...it didn't seem fair at all. I heard the experimental games weren't too bad or mind-crushing, not sure about LR.
It's annoying because it doesn't feel like everyone took the same test. It feels like, at least from what I've heard, a lot of the people who got RC as their experimental had a big confidence hit that permeated throughout the rest of the exam.
I wanna see c'est la vie, but it just all feels so wrong :(
@jhaldy10325
Do you mind me asking why you took the test again this cycle? If you already got scholarships and acceptance to your top school, do you just take the LSAT now for fun? masochism? :)
I had experimental RC as my section 1 too. It destroyed me; they totally overshot the difficulty level. I've never been so happy to turn the page and see RC welcoming me back from the break. I wish they'd consider how that affects people through the rest of the test before creating an experimental like that. It shouldn't happen.
As far as cancelling, you should lean towards not cancelling, but only you can evaluate your performance under the circumstances of that hanging over your head. For what it's worth, the same thing happened to me last September, and I scored a 170 which got me about 250k total scholarship offers as well as an admit at my top choice school. It wasn't what I'd hoped for, but it took me far.
Good luck making that call, and if you decide to hang on to it, hope the wait isn't too bad!
@stephencarpinello514 said:
Even if you decide to cancel give it a day to settle in first. I've read about a person who strongly considered canceling their score, realized they were over reacting, and then recieved a 180. Don't be the unsung opposite half of that story.
I do not think I am in this particular boat, unless I guessed correctly on like 9 straight questions, but I appreciate your positive attitude.
Even if you decide to cancel give it a day to settle in first. I've read about a person who strongly considered canceling their score, realized they were over reacting, and then recieved a 180. Don't be the unsung opposite half of that story.
I had almost an identical experience as everyone on this thread. I am going to be honest, I really needed this thread right now because I've been distraught all afternoon. I guess we double down and try again.
There are virtually no advantages to cancelling.
No schools average. Some people claim that Yale does, but there is no evidence for this. There is in fact evidence that they do not. Schools only care about the highest.
My advice: do not cancel.
Google "Do Law Schools View Multiple LSAT Attempts as a Negative?" for a blog post by Spivey. You should not care about a lower score on your record.
@acsimon699 See, I wouldn't even say that the passages in the experimental were difficult. In fact, they felt kinda straightforward and simple..but for some reason it just felt long and I ran out of time..Idk why...maybe the passages were longer? Not sure.
@vanessadfisher628 said:
@jhaldy10325
Do you mind me asking why you took the test again this cycle? If you already got scholarships and acceptance to your top school, do you just take the LSAT now for fun? masochism? :)
Don't mind at all. The issue is that the scholarship money and the top choice admit did not overlap, haha.
@pcainti665 said:
@jhaldy10325 Yeah. I've decided not to cancel and just see what my score is like. Praying for a big curve.
And yeah, that RC experimental just wrecked your mind...it didn't seem fair at all. I heard the experimental games weren't too bad or mind-crushing, not sure about LR.
It's annoying because it doesn't feel like everyone took the same test. It feels like, at least from what I've heard, a lot of the people who got RC as their experimental had a big confidence hit that permeated throughout the rest of the exam.
I wanna see c'est la vie, but it just all feels so wrong :(
Yeah, it's tough to carry something like that through the whole test. The LSAT is hard enough without having to bear that kind of emotional weight.
@nchodori680 said:
@alarictaves950 said:
@rileymajeunefagan676 said:
No schools average. Some people claim that Yale does, but there is no evidence for this. There is in fact evidence that they do not. Schools only care about the highest.
This may or may not be applicable to OP, but Toronto does definitely average. It's possible that nobody in the US does, but it's not accurate to say that "no" school does it.
From UofT's website:
"Repeated Attempts: If more than one LSAT score is reported, all LSAT scores will be seen and considered by the Admissions Committee. Generally, we place emphasis on the highest LSAT score reported"
@dml277475 said:
@alarictaves950 said:
@rileymajeunefagan676 said:
No schools average. Some people claim that Yale does, but there is no evidence for this. There is in fact evidence that they do not. Schools only care about the highest.
This may or may not be applicable to OP, but Toronto does definitely average. It's possible that nobody in the US does, but it's not accurate to say that "no" school does it.
May I ask if you found reliable sources that explicitly say Toronto averages multiple LSAT scores? I'm looking at their website right now and it says:
"If more than one LSAT score is reported, all LSAT scores will be seen and considered by the Admissions Committee. Generally, we place emphasis on the highest LSAT score reported."
https://www.law.utoronto.ca/admissions/jd-admissions/application-procedure
This is very interesting - I don't remember the exact language, but I'm 100% certain that their site has not always said this. UoT is known up here for their 'holistic' approach to applications, and their LSAT policy has always reflected this. That paragraph is new, so I wonder if they might've changed their policy... Anyway evidently I'm wrong.
@alarictaves950 said:
@rileymajeunefagan676 said:
No schools average. Some people claim that Yale does, but there is no evidence for this. There is in fact evidence that they do not. Schools only care about the highest.
This may or may not be applicable to OP, but Toronto does definitely average. It's possible that nobody in the US does, but it's not accurate to say that "no" school does it.
May I ask if you found reliable sources that explicitly say Toronto averages multiple LSAT scores? I'm looking at their website right now and it says:
"If more than one LSAT score is reported, all LSAT scores will be seen and considered by the Admissions Committee. Generally, we place emphasis on the highest LSAT score reported."
https://www.law.utoronto.ca/admissions/jd-admissions/application-procedure
@pcainti665 I totally feel you on hating the uncertainty. I'm now thinking back to all these questions and desperately trying to remember what I chose and what my reasoning was (aka trying to blind review without even having the test in front of me lol).
I woke up today definitely leaning towards canceling, but I absolutely don't think you should. It sounds as though worst case scenario for you is a 167/8 (forgive me if I'm still low-balling)…those are very respectable scores. My predicted worst case scenario is much lower. So I might cancel, but I absolutely don't think you should.
@pcainti665 good call! sorry I was late to the discussion (I just finished the test in Asia). You won't lose anything by not cancelling (you will have access to your answer sheet and look up your weakness).
@acsimon699 That was how I felt too! I just felt like I was moving so fast that I must have missed something..like I could easily see myself getting -3 to -4 on each LR section, and then -5+ on Reading Comp. Maybe perfect on the games, but then again who knows?
@alarictaves950 said:
@rileymajeunefagan676 said:
No schools average. Some people claim that Yale does, but there is no evidence for this. There is in fact evidence that they do not. Schools only care about the highest.
This may or may not be applicable to OP, but Toronto does definitely average. It's possible that nobody in the US does, but it's not accurate to say that "no" school does it.
From UofT's website:
"Repeated Attempts: If more than one LSAT score is reported, all LSAT scores will be seen and considered by the Admissions Committee. Generally, we place emphasis on the highest LSAT score reported"
first time I took the LSAT, i thought i did horribly but it ended up being 169. That type of score may be below your target but is in the mid-range for most of the T14. glad I didn't cancel since it's still a useful score
I was sorry to find this in the message board earlier. I wrote this morning, was blank beforehand, but then sped through most of the sections so quickly that I wondered if I was trippin'. Seeing this, though, sucked because I know that you are a high scorer that was probably playing in your mind with the possibility of some lucky things happening and you pulling a 180.
In any case, I would say hold your head up. Don't cancel (as people said, it doesn't really do anything for you at this point--besides perhaps preserve some personal pride), and plan to write also for December. I would take a month off, though, as far as practice is concern. To forget this test, and forget some of the material with the PTs. Your skills shouldn't drop off too much, and should be readily retrievable after only a few weeks of refamilarizing yourself with test materials.
Perhaps, also working on some general testing techniques will also help. Performance anxiety can be a mofo--and it's even worse when it's completely debilitating. And, for the record, I hope that this is all moot, and you received that 175+. Cheers--A.c.S
@alarictaves950 Yeah after that :)
Whether it was an hour or two after, there was atleast some sense of immediacy that isn't granted with the actual LSAT :(
@pcainti665 said:
Like with PrepTests after each PT I could go back and check my answers immediately and figure out what I got right and what I got wrong, reinforce the right logic, etc.
But... blind review... :(
If you think you are freaked out now, wait until grey day. That's serious anxiety!
@rileymajeunefagan676 I think there's something unsettling about not knowing your score immediately after taking the exam..Like with PrepTests after each PT I could go back and check my answers immediately and figure out what I got right and what I got wrong, reinforce the right logic, etc.
But with the real LSAT, there's just so much uncertainty left out there. Was my reasoning right? Did I make a silly mistake? Did I diagram that right?
All this uncertainty has me feeling so uneasy, especially since the whole test felt really really fast. Idk. I don't know if it's just post-LSAT stress or an actual warranted freak-out.
@pcainti665 i think you are totally selling yourself short. Sure it's possible that you scored a few points lower than normal, but it's entirely possible you scored average or better. If you finished each section with time to spare, no way should you cancel.