For these kinds of questions, I'm starting to find it beneficial to pinpoint the conclusions of each argument and compare them to the best possible answer choice
advise: the key was when Sklar says "My objection to teaching chess to children..." directly gives us the answer that their disagreement is not about the reasoning behind their arguments per say, but wether we should be teaching chess to children at all.
I was overthinking this question but on my second read I realized Sklar says "my objection to teaching chess" which shows us what they are disagreeing about.
@KimberlyLuna Ive been reading this for lost of students in this course. IMHO i think MSS questions are hard/weird because they lack context and kind of feel like an alien is talking to you or like an NPC just started talking to you. PAI questions feel easier because they automatically provide context that you can frame your understanding around. PAI questions just dont feel as jarring and, for me at least, are less distracting and have less loose ends so your mind just thinks of less things that distract you from picking an answer.
I did the same thing. After, when comparing the 2 I thought "which one of these is an easier inference to make?" Then I saw that teaching chess was much easier to "assume" than the promotion of mental maturity. Like the video said, we projected our belief onto someone else's in that societal value and mental maturity are one in the same. Think about it, do those 2 things correlate with each other? Most of the time yea, but not always, so we can't be sure that is what he means.
I got this in under 20 seconds just based on "my objection to teaching chess" which to me is an immediate signal that this is the disagreement. Is this a bad tactic?
Is A wrong because Skylar doesn't really talk about mental maturity? Skylar just talks about mental activity which is different from mental maturity, right?
Anyone else get really hung up on the name Sklar? I kept thinking he was mispronouncing Skylar. But after doing the question and the entire lesson it finally hit me that Sklar and Talbert are both last names. #ADHD
Highkey, though if your falling for the traps, you are still having a good thought process, it just means your missing something or need to go one step forward. Keep going!
@MnM I try to work of my time during drills and PTs. For the questions between lecture videos I spend as much them as needed to get the answer right and properly understand the concept
@MnM Do not worry about timing yet. Once you can complete sections with around -3, and you have all the concepts down, focus on sharpening your intuition, and trusting your gut, while employing everything you learned at a faster pace. It will come naturally as you train with more condensed time frames.
@TylerMadani021 Agree. I don't think the target time should be the focus for now but instead understanding and getting the correct answer. If you are below target time, great! But it means nothing if you get the question wrong and didn't understand it fully
Alright look the first go around it took some time (like 19 sec over) but that's because ya boi was analyzing all the answers. On the exam we don't doubt ourselves frfr
Would it be a good strategy to see what one talks about and the other doesn't and eliminate the ACs? I am having difficulty with coming up with what is inferred.
Yeah I would say so! 100% of the time, if you know that one (or both of course, but minimally just one) speaker doesn't talk at all about (explicitly or implicitly) what that AC says, then it is wrong. Or more simply, if one speaker falls in the middle spectrum of mutually consistent, could be/could not be true, then it's wrong.
I got AC D fairly quickly but took awhile second guessing myself because it just seemed to simple of an AC to be correct. However I stuck with my gut and was correct. I think this is a good lesson to always trust your first instinct on test day.
I feel like the title of the question gave the answer away for me. The minute I read "Teaching Chess" and the question stem, I felt like I knew it was about whether or not we should teach chess
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You know that feeling when the answer is so simple it feels wrong? That's how I felt with this lol
I'm gathering that perhaps the most difficult part of the LSAT is knowing when to make inferences vs. knowing when to avoid traps set by inferences.
@JamieAAbrams no literally
getting a question right and then seeing the difficulty be a 1/4 LMAO
@DeborahAdel so humbling, esp after going way over the goal time😭
Got it right in 22 seconds and thought I was really getting it. Then I saw it scored a 1/5 on the hardness scale….ofc
a right answer is still a right answer!
For these kinds of questions, I'm starting to find it beneficial to pinpoint the conclusions of each argument and compare them to the best possible answer choice
advise: the key was when Sklar says "My objection to teaching chess to children..." directly gives us the answer that their disagreement is not about the reasoning behind their arguments per say, but wether we should be teaching chess to children at all.
this is definitely a "don't think to hard" question!
Placing this question after the implicit lesson really threw me! I was prepared for it to be wrong on principle!
I have to drill this into my head when I'm hesitant about implicit answers:
The right answer is not always the ideal answer for Point at Issue questions.
I was overthinking this question but on my second read I realized Sklar says "my objection to teaching chess" which shows us what they are disagreeing about.
I been getting PAI questions correct but not MSS questions lol
@KimberlyLuna Ive been reading this for lost of students in this course. IMHO i think MSS questions are hard/weird because they lack context and kind of feel like an alien is talking to you or like an NPC just started talking to you. PAI questions feel easier because they automatically provide context that you can frame your understanding around. PAI questions just dont feel as jarring and, for me at least, are less distracting and have less loose ends so your mind just thinks of less things that distract you from picking an answer.
I chose A like an Ahat. I had it narrowed down to A/D and went with A because it was wrong.
My mistake was taking "mental activity" as the same as mental maturity. This question was too easy to get wrong. Quite disappointing.
I did the same thing. After, when comparing the 2 I thought "which one of these is an easier inference to make?" Then I saw that teaching chess was much easier to "assume" than the promotion of mental maturity. Like the video said, we projected our belief onto someone else's in that societal value and mental maturity are one in the same. Think about it, do those 2 things correlate with each other? Most of the time yea, but not always, so we can't be sure that is what he means.
I got this in under 20 seconds just based on "my objection to teaching chess" which to me is an immediate signal that this is the disagreement. Is this a bad tactic?
Likewise. The disagreement was pretty explicit for a question type that asks us to look out for subtle objections.
likewise.
Is A wrong because Skylar doesn't really talk about mental maturity? Skylar just talks about mental activity which is different from mental maturity, right?
@KhushyMandania Correct! We're always looking for answer options that address something both interlocutors mentioned, so you're right on the money!
Anyone else get really hung up on the name Sklar? I kept thinking he was mispronouncing Skylar. But after doing the question and the entire lesson it finally hit me that Sklar and Talbert are both last names. #ADHD
Skylar White yo
the way I'm getting this wrong and falling for the traps, giving up does not seem like a bad idea
Highkey, though if your falling for the traps, you are still having a good thought process, it just means your missing something or need to go one step forward. Keep going!
Naurrrrr , you better be studying, you got this.
It is also easy to get confused and think A is correct because "diverting from mental activity" seems close enough from "mental maturity"
This question is no 1 star lol
@TeklaCo ikr like LSAC be serious
Struggling so much with timing. Easily a minute over, and I knew the correct answer immediately. This one felt too good to be true.
I'm constantly over the target time. Please share some tips for improvement?
@MnM Trust the instinct. You can easily spend another 15-20 seconds going over answers again and end up on the same one. Rip it and stick it.
@MnM I try to work of my time during drills and PTs. For the questions between lecture videos I spend as much them as needed to get the answer right and properly understand the concept
@MnM Do not worry about timing yet. Once you can complete sections with around -3, and you have all the concepts down, focus on sharpening your intuition, and trusting your gut, while employing everything you learned at a faster pace. It will come naturally as you train with more condensed time frames.
@TylerMadani021 Agree. I don't think the target time should be the focus for now but instead understanding and getting the correct answer. If you are below target time, great! But it means nothing if you get the question wrong and didn't understand it fully
Alright look the first go around it took some time (like 19 sec over) but that's because ya boi was analyzing all the answers. On the exam we don't doubt ourselves frfr
Thinking too hard about this question type.
Would it be a good strategy to see what one talks about and the other doesn't and eliminate the ACs? I am having difficulty with coming up with what is inferred.
Yeah I would say so! 100% of the time, if you know that one (or both of course, but minimally just one) speaker doesn't talk at all about (explicitly or implicitly) what that AC says, then it is wrong. Or more simply, if one speaker falls in the middle spectrum of mutually consistent, could be/could not be true, then it's wrong.
I got AC D fairly quickly but took awhile second guessing myself because it just seemed to simple of an AC to be correct. However I stuck with my gut and was correct. I think this is a good lesson to always trust your first instinct on test day.
I feel like the title of the question gave the answer away for me. The minute I read "Teaching Chess" and the question stem, I felt like I knew it was about whether or not we should teach chess
I knew the answer choice was D but i kept talking myself out of it!!!
i confused mental maturity with mental activity thinking that they had just reworded it in the answer choices