I understand that answer D is the best choice among all, yet I don't think the answer holds up under close scrutiny and that it is necessarily (it can be though and most likely is) inconsistent with Jo's statement:
1) Jo's claim is on the best programmers on the team and not on the most productive ones. Even though the best programmers are TYPICALLY (yet not necessarily) more productive.
2) BPs generally (not necessarily again) work best when working alone. Yet saying that they must be allowed to work by themselves doesn't mean that they can't work with someone together ever. It's simply stating that they should be given the option to do so.
So far, I'm following along with the content and the approaches to the question types well, but I'm struggling to meet the target time when doing drills and usually leave 2-3 questions blank to go over during BR. Any tips on getting to the answer choices faster?
My mind went blank when reading all of this for some reason. I was still able to get it right by choosing the answer that went on to negate the other answer choices.
I got this right but was confused about whether for a lot of the options we could say "consistent" for Jo when all we know is that she believes that productive → alone and, therefore, /alone → /productive and so we don't know she feels about /productive people... For A I was very tempted to say "unsupported" for Jo because she doesn't address /productive in her statement but after doing some research I realized that on the LSAT we must understand that if something does not contradict a rule (for example two productive people working together) then that is CONSISTENT with the rule. However, if it is the case that we don't have enough information to determine if something contradicts or is aligned with a rule THEN that is UNSUPPORTED - we just don't know. Here, in A and in other cases, we knew that /productive people working together was not breaking Jo's rule so that is considered consistent
But the passage does not state they "must work alone," it states they "must be ALLOWED" to work alone. Therefore, dosen't that mean they are simply given the CHOICE to work alone or with others?
Maybe I’m overreading things, but I think the rule is saying that the most productive programmers must be allowed to work alone, not that they must work alone. The word "allowed" seems important because it suggests they should have the option to work alone if it helps them be more productive, but not that it’s an absolute requirement. If they meant it as a strict rule, I feel like it would’ve just said “must work by themselves.”
I know it’s a small difference, but that’s how I’m reading it. And while it probably doesn’t make a big difference here, I feel like I often get questions wrong because I miss little things like this, idk.
Vanessa: computer codes must be written by a pair of programmers to prevent only one person from understanding the code that is being made
Jon: best programmers carry the team. they are really productive compared to the rest. these best programmers work best alone, so the most productive programmers must work alone.
What i am getting: 1. if you are most productive→work alone
2. if you are most productive→work alone
we are looking to find something that violates these principles.
A: fact is they are average so must work together. consistent with rules so out
B: again, not most productive so must work together, consistent with rules so out
C: again, not most productive so must work together, consistent with rules so out
D: yolanda is most productive, so she must work alone. but this answer says she's working with someone. violates rule so this is the answer.
E: again, not most productive so must work together, consistent with rules so out.
#feedback There's a typo in the "Let's Review Section" I believe it should say "Jo is talking only about the most productive programmers" as opposed to "Jo is talking only about the most production programmers"
I struggled on this one. This is how i explained it to myself --D is the answer because it is incosistent with the principle expressed. Since Yolanda and Mike are both very productive, they should be able to work alone according to Jo's principle. D has them working on the same station, which makes it inconsistent with the principle. In AC A,C,&D, they are mostly unproductive/not the best programmers so they dont have to work alone so it follows that they are either working together or on a single workstation. AC E follows Vanessa's principle. Hope this helps someone that is dazed like i was.
This is not a particularly difficult question and what I am about to say was not relevant in this case but I thought it might be worth noting in the off-chance there is ever a similar question. Jo's rule says the most productive programmers must be ALLOWED to work by themselves, not that they must work by themselves. Since the rest of the answer choices are easily consistent, that makes D the correct choice, however it should be noted that there would not be an inconsistency if in the answer choice Yolanda was allowed to work by herself but choose to work with someone else. It is implied that that is not the case with the use of the word assigned, but it is worth noting anyways that her working with someone else is not inconsistent by itself.
I am confused as to why the other 4 choices were eliminated when they are not consistent with Jo's rule. How is consistency justified in this question type?
The rule according to Jo is that most productive programmers ought to work alone but let's say the AC (c) states that one programmer is more productive than the other. How is this relevant to the consistent with the rule by Jo? Or am I missing an important detail?
How are we to use the two rules in order to do the POE?
for answer choice E, how can we assume that single work station and same work station both mean the same thing, I was going to choose E because it said same, but in the stimulus the rule was single work station ( I thought meaning their individual station)
Couldn't you could skim the answer choices for the phrase "most productive" and that would have to be the right answer as long as they're a programer since the way each rule treats that subset contradict?
How do we get faster at solving 'all except' questions? I fully understand your logic, but I feel like drawing and diagramming cannot be done when I only have 1 Min 20 seconds per question. This also applies to all of those questions that are marked very difficult, I feel as through I am going too slow when I get an acceptable number of questions right, but an unacceptable amount wrong when I write them at a test pace
Doesn't Venessa's rule contradict Jo's rule since "All programmers" would include even the most productive ones? I know I'm being nitpicky, but I'm really just wondering whether we are allowed to use Jo's exception because he speaks second, and therefore is thought of to be in dialogue with Venessa?
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Can we get some Fs in the chat for Logic Games? Lmao
I understand that answer D is the best choice among all, yet I don't think the answer holds up under close scrutiny and that it is necessarily (it can be though and most likely is) inconsistent with Jo's statement:
1) Jo's claim is on the best programmers on the team and not on the most productive ones. Even though the best programmers are TYPICALLY (yet not necessarily) more productive.
2) BPs generally (not necessarily again) work best when working alone. Yet saying that they must be allowed to work by themselves doesn't mean that they can't work with someone together ever. It's simply stating that they should be given the option to do so.
How is D consistent with principles expressed by Vanessa? we don't know if she agrees to Jo's principle?
Who’s taking in juneeee
I don't understand. do we need this or is it logic games and they haven't updated or removed it?
So far, I'm following along with the content and the approaches to the question types well, but I'm struggling to meet the target time when doing drills and usually leave 2-3 questions blank to go over during BR. Any tips on getting to the answer choices faster?
My mind went blank when reading all of this for some reason. I was still able to get it right by choosing the answer that went on to negate the other answer choices.
I got this right but was confused about whether for a lot of the options we could say "consistent" for Jo when all we know is that she believes that productive → alone and, therefore, /alone → /productive and so we don't know she feels about /productive people... For A I was very tempted to say "unsupported" for Jo because she doesn't address /productive in her statement but after doing some research I realized that on the LSAT we must understand that if something does not contradict a rule (for example two productive people working together) then that is CONSISTENT with the rule. However, if it is the case that we don't have enough information to determine if something contradicts or is aligned with a rule THEN that is UNSUPPORTED - we just don't know. Here, in A and in other cases, we knew that /productive people working together was not breaking Jo's rule so that is considered consistent
But the passage does not state they "must work alone," it states they "must be ALLOWED" to work alone. Therefore, dosen't that mean they are simply given the CHOICE to work alone or with others?
This was quick
rip lg section
#feedback Should be re-recorded to remove references to LG
Maybe I’m overreading things, but I think the rule is saying that the most productive programmers must be allowed to work alone, not that they must work alone. The word "allowed" seems important because it suggests they should have the option to work alone if it helps them be more productive, but not that it’s an absolute requirement. If they meant it as a strict rule, I feel like it would’ve just said “must work by themselves.”
I know it’s a small difference, but that’s how I’m reading it. And while it probably doesn’t make a big difference here, I feel like I often get questions wrong because I miss little things like this, idk.
Programmers = P1, P2, P3......
Programmer who is most productive = Pn.p
Rule 1: Code = P1 + P2
Rule 2: Code = Pn.p + none
D) Code = Pn.P + somebody , thus violating Rule 2 and therefore the correct answer.
dumbed down translation:
Vanessa: computer codes must be written by a pair of programmers to prevent only one person from understanding the code that is being made
Jon: best programmers carry the team. they are really productive compared to the rest. these best programmers work best alone, so the most productive programmers must work alone.
What i am getting: 1. if you are most productive→work alone
2. if you are
most productive→work alonewe are looking to find something that violates these principles.
A: fact is they are average so must work together. consistent with rules so out
B: again, not most productive so must work together, consistent with rules so out
C: again, not most productive so must work together, consistent with rules so out
D: yolanda is most productive, so she must work alone. but this answer says she's working with someone. violates rule so this is the answer.
E: again, not most productive so must work together, consistent with rules so out.
Damn that was hard! I can't believe I got that one right and the fish one wrong LOL
#feedback There's a typo in the "Let's Review Section" I believe it should say "Jo is talking only about the most productive programmers" as opposed to "Jo is talking only about the most production programmers"
these are the wooooooorst ):
I struggled on this one. This is how i explained it to myself --D is the answer because it is incosistent with the principle expressed. Since Yolanda and Mike are both very productive, they should be able to work alone according to Jo's principle. D has them working on the same station, which makes it inconsistent with the principle. In AC A,C,&D, they are mostly unproductive/not the best programmers so they dont have to work alone so it follows that they are either working together or on a single workstation. AC E follows Vanessa's principle. Hope this helps someone that is dazed like i was.
This is not a particularly difficult question and what I am about to say was not relevant in this case but I thought it might be worth noting in the off-chance there is ever a similar question. Jo's rule says the most productive programmers must be ALLOWED to work by themselves, not that they must work by themselves. Since the rest of the answer choices are easily consistent, that makes D the correct choice, however it should be noted that there would not be an inconsistency if in the answer choice Yolanda was allowed to work by herself but choose to work with someone else. It is implied that that is not the case with the use of the word assigned, but it is worth noting anyways that her working with someone else is not inconsistent by itself.
I am confused as to why the other 4 choices were eliminated when they are not consistent with Jo's rule. How is consistency justified in this question type?
The rule according to Jo is that most productive programmers ought to work alone but let's say the AC (c) states that one programmer is more productive than the other. How is this relevant to the consistent with the rule by Jo? Or am I missing an important detail?
How are we to use the two rules in order to do the POE?
#help
for answer choice E, how can we assume that single work station and same work station both mean the same thing, I was going to choose E because it said same, but in the stimulus the rule was single work station ( I thought meaning their individual station)
Couldn't you could skim the answer choices for the phrase "most productive" and that would have to be the right answer as long as they're a programer since the way each rule treats that subset contradict?
How do we get faster at solving 'all except' questions? I fully understand your logic, but I feel like drawing and diagramming cannot be done when I only have 1 Min 20 seconds per question. This also applies to all of those questions that are marked very difficult, I feel as through I am going too slow when I get an acceptable number of questions right, but an unacceptable amount wrong when I write them at a test pace
Doesn't Venessa's rule contradict Jo's rule since "All programmers" would include even the most productive ones? I know I'm being nitpicky, but I'm really just wondering whether we are allowed to use Jo's exception because he speaks second, and therefore is thought of to be in dialogue with Venessa?