@ThomasMunnia When the word "should" pops up in a conclusion or a premise that is trying to indicate a rule of sorts, it's prescriptive. It's not saying that the conclusion or rule HAS to be this, just that it should. It's a little looser.
Idk if this will help, but I ignored a and c because they felt too strong, and if felt like you could not use the information provided in the stimulus to actually prove that.
So do we approach these questions the same as PSA and SA questions?? I changed my answer from B to C just bc I felt like B was intuitive, but C negated I thought canceled the argument. Not sure how to approach this question.
What are other reasonings an argument can employ?? I was debating between b and c and of course, I choose the wrong one. I go back and see I couldn’t figure out the reasoning of the argument which I think is what didn’t allow e to chose the right answer. #help! If anyone can tell me what the reasonings are, that would be awesome. Either way, I probably have to check out prior lessons and go back to the basics lol
to me this question type feels so intuitive but I can't make the reasoning as to why I think an AC is correct conscious enough to describe consistently. Any tips?
i got this right but i do not understand which premise is the necessary condition. Is it necessary to display harmony to mimic nature, or is it necessary to mimic nature to display harmony?? #help #feedback... I absolutely despise necessary/sufficient condition questions :(
"The design of Japanese gardens should display harmony with nature" is one of the premise.
"Rocks found in nature also vary widely in appearance" is another premise.
The conclusion is "rocks chosen for placement in such gardens should vary widely in appearance".
Necessary condition refers to a conditional relationship (if..., then...), which isn't present here. So there isn't one here. Instead we're looking for a necessary assumption.
The way I see it, answer choice D is incorrect because it strikes the bridge between harmony and nature as an absolute. Ex. "The zen garden your rocks go into must be natural to be harmonious." I think D would have been a better answer choice if the stem stated that "all rocks that go into your garden must be from nature."
B was correct for me because it was more vague but also because it bridges between harmony and resembling nature. For all we know and care, the rocks could be plastic, but as long as they vary in sizes and imitate nature then there is harmony.
Negation to me is dangerous, but the negation of B would be something like;
"In the selection of rocks for Japanese gardens, imitation of nature DOES NOT help to achieve harmony with nature."
Well if that's true, that means placing rocks vary widely in appearance (to imitate nature) does nothing to further a Japanese garden to its goal; displaying harmony with nature.
While, yes, you can negate this AC to help us understand why it is correct, it isn't the reason why it is correct in the first place. We had a gap that HAD to be filled for this argument to work. That is the more important reason for selecting the AC, versus just simply falsifying.
Not only that, negation of the other AC isn't all that useful, as they had way more glaring issues as to why they are wrong.
As JY said in the beginning, it is more important you understand the different ways of an argument can present itself, which in turn makes you capable of knowing what is necessary.
I see how D is wrong in the context of a NA question, but I am struggling to see why D would be wrong as an SA question. If being natural is identical to being in harmony with nature, then wouldn't the placement of the rocks in a "natural" way then by extension mean they are in harmony with nature? Wouldn't that bridge the gap?
Well, that is presuming that "being natural" and the "imitation of nature" are the exact same thing. Which isn't particularly true, or at the very least not supported in our argument.
Another assumption is that placing rocks widely in appearance is attempting to be natural!
I find it way easier to conceive these questions as using POE to eliminate every not necessary answer choice. It just seems easier to see what isn't necessary than what is, especially when you have to consider that the NA may be a SA too.
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SCORE but timing is bad over 1 minute. Any tips on being faster? I am using POE but I think going back rereading does hold me back a bit
SA was easy but NA is difficult. I get the answers right but I don't know WHY I'm getting them right. I can't explain it
yayay got it right! :)
Getting these NA questions right is my reward for suffering through the SA module
@iriswu84153 HAHAHAHHAHA
@iriswu84153 so real
@iriswu84153 same here :)
What does it mean when the teacher says at 1:05-1:30, specifically the prescriptive rule.
@ThomasMunnia When the word "should" pops up in a conclusion or a premise that is trying to indicate a rule of sorts, it's prescriptive. It's not saying that the conclusion or rule HAS to be this, just that it should. It's a little looser.
SA was easy for me NA is so hard!!!
I am getting them right, but it is hard for me to tell the sufficient vs the necessary assumption right now. I am hoping I get sharper with practice.
Idk if this will help, but I ignored a and c because they felt too strong, and if felt like you could not use the information provided in the stimulus to actually prove that.
Clarification: This is a rule application question?
LOCKED IN!!!!!
So do we approach these questions the same as PSA and SA questions?? I changed my answer from B to C just bc I felt like B was intuitive, but C negated I thought canceled the argument. Not sure how to approach this question.
What are other reasonings an argument can employ?? I was debating between b and c and of course, I choose the wrong one. I go back and see I couldn’t figure out the reasoning of the argument which I think is what didn’t allow e to chose the right answer. #help! If anyone can tell me what the reasonings are, that would be awesome. Either way, I probably have to check out prior lessons and go back to the basics lol
oh wow so this is gonna be one of those sections huh..
I got this right, but I always feel like the explanations in the video are overly complicated. They actually confuse me even more.
@miriamp same
to me this question type feels so intuitive but I can't make the reasoning as to why I think an AC is correct conscious enough to describe consistently. Any tips?
@LowOriginalConnection I feel the same way. I cannot map out my reasoning, but rather I rely on intuition.
i got this right but i do not understand which premise is the necessary condition. Is it necessary to display harmony to mimic nature, or is it necessary to mimic nature to display harmony?? #help #feedback... I absolutely despise necessary/sufficient condition questions :(
@Nickgigs
"The design of Japanese gardens should display harmony with nature" is one of the premise.
"Rocks found in nature also vary widely in appearance" is another premise.
The conclusion is "rocks chosen for placement in such gardens should vary widely in appearance".
Necessary condition refers to a conditional relationship (if..., then...), which isn't present here. So there isn't one here. Instead we're looking for a necessary assumption.
my thoughts (could be wrong)
I don't understand the "Imitation" part. I did not get this from the stimulus which is why I got the question wrong. #feedback
@IsabellaP
This is how I understood this question:
The stimulus/conclusion says: rocks for Japanese gardens should vary widely in appearance because rocks in nature also vary widely in appearance.
Paraphrased, it's the same as: a component of Japanese gardens should be similar to, or imitate, nature.
Another premise is that the design Japanese gardens should display harmony with nature.
So what's the missing assumption here? That imitating nature helps to display harmony with nature.
Can someone alternatively explain why B is right and D is wrong?
Thanks!
The way I see it, answer choice D is incorrect because it strikes the bridge between harmony and nature as an absolute. Ex. "The zen garden your rocks go into must be natural to be harmonious." I think D would have been a better answer choice if the stem stated that "all rocks that go into your garden must be from nature."
B was correct for me because it was more vague but also because it bridges between harmony and resembling nature. For all we know and care, the rocks could be plastic, but as long as they vary in sizes and imitate nature then there is harmony.
omg these lessons make me overthink these so much. these should kind of be common sense and now im getting mad.
inner peace
I got this right but I also want to get better at negating.
I got the right answer by asking what is necessary not by negating.
can someone negate the answer choices and specifically B showing how effective the right answer shows when negating.
#feedback
#help
Negation to me is dangerous, but the negation of B would be something like;
"In the selection of rocks for Japanese gardens, imitation of nature DOES NOT help to achieve harmony with nature."
Well if that's true, that means placing rocks vary widely in appearance (to imitate nature) does nothing to further a Japanese garden to its goal; displaying harmony with nature.
While, yes, you can negate this AC to help us understand why it is correct, it isn't the reason why it is correct in the first place. We had a gap that HAD to be filled for this argument to work. That is the more important reason for selecting the AC, versus just simply falsifying.
Not only that, negation of the other AC isn't all that useful, as they had way more glaring issues as to why they are wrong.
As JY said in the beginning, it is more important you understand the different ways of an argument can present itself, which in turn makes you capable of knowing what is necessary.
I see how D is wrong in the context of a NA question, but I am struggling to see why D would be wrong as an SA question. If being natural is identical to being in harmony with nature, then wouldn't the placement of the rocks in a "natural" way then by extension mean they are in harmony with nature? Wouldn't that bridge the gap?
Well, that is presuming that "being natural" and the "imitation of nature" are the exact same thing. Which isn't particularly true, or at the very least not supported in our argument.
Another assumption is that placing rocks widely in appearance is attempting to be natural!
Ohhhh that makes sense, I think I’ve spent too much time at Disneyland viewing that which imitates the natural haha. Thanks!
Trying to convince myself this is easy and common knowledge
Is it correct that some elements of the conclusion need to be in the answer for an NA question? LIke the answer needed to mention rocks right?
I find it way easier to conceive these questions as using POE to eliminate every not necessary answer choice. It just seems easier to see what isn't necessary than what is, especially when you have to consider that the NA may be a SA too.
Had B first and under time but changed it to D and went over time because all my confidence is shot from the last couple of lessons....
it's so over for me....