A tip for anyone struggling or looking to cut down on time: focus on the indefinite pronouns, "any," "most," "more," etc., and then find the answer where the conclusion and premises's indefinite pronouns (or their equivalent) match the question stem. Good luck!
In my eyes it's very much intentional. trying to occupy as much of your time as possible. I will be starting from the bottom or middle on these questions because I rarely see A being the correct choice.
Why wouldn't the "if" claim in E be a problem? I understand the similarities in logic but I'm confused because normally we would knock a parallel/analogy question if the stimulus wasn't a conditional, yet the AC was.
this was very ez to me got it without even reading the full questions just the conlusions. The conclusion needs to have "every" needs to be strong followed by probs will. It said any which means every, then followed by problaby, it cant say most b/c most is not all.... the majority of them did not have a definiate term in the conclsuion but E.
#feedback This is not related to this question, but is there a resource on 7Sage where we can practice translating conditional statements? I am pretty decent at writing them out on paper, but I struggle to do them solely in my head. I think having some statements to translate with answers, not necessarily from a PrepTest, would be super helpful!
Yup, we do have this! It's under our foundational concepts, under the "Conditional and Set Logic" module. Here's one of the many: https://7sage.com/lesson/skill-builder-group-1-translations/
Hi, I know that they mentioned in the video that answer choice C flips the conditional claim at the end. But if you negate it, isn't that exactly what would happen?
You would need C to say "If you are hired as an editor, then you probably won't be sympathetic to farms."
The AC, negated, would show the same thing. Would you need it written the same way in the stimulus? I thought negations did not matter bc only the reasoning does.
@shreyavpatel1@gmail.com its a most claim so the negation would be "some". so we can't conclude that if you're sympathetic then you must not be an editor because some editors are sympathetic
How do you realize quickly that this stimulus is not conditional or causal. You see indicators like "most" and "any". Is it just from reading and having an understanding of the stimulus. I understand that this is an analogy, but could someone explain why this example is not conditional? #feedback
I found this to be quite difficult because identifying a past-to-present analogy can be quite easy to miss. Here's how I look at it.
The stimulus isn't purely conditional because it utilizes words such as "most" and "probably." So, these relationships are weaker than "if A, then B." In my experience, I notice that when stimuli use weaker language, the logic is not always fully causal and requires some of what is happening here.
Importantly, the word "Any" here is establishing a weak if/then relationship as well. The last sentence (Conclusion) is the same to:
"If you are a proposal AND you are endorsed --> you will PROBABLY pass
When you have "Any" like this, you are making a reference to a hypothetical future event. The same goes for "if" in the conclusion: unless there is an actual concrete example, it is a hypothetical.
The premise is making an comparison to a past correlation between the two things in the sufficient condition. So, the correct answer will follow this argument structure of a hypothetical conclusion (that uses words "any" or "if/then") preceeded by a correlation that has existed in the past.
#help I am confused on what the transition is from causal logic mapping forms to just notations of the prompt, can someone explain it more here please?
I may have missed the mark here, but I would guess that the transition is just moving to faster, simpler versions of the mapping as you practice and become better such that drawing a fully diagrammed map is unnecessary.
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A tip for anyone struggling or looking to cut down on time: focus on the indefinite pronouns, "any," "most," "more," etc., and then find the answer where the conclusion and premises's indefinite pronouns (or their equivalent) match the question stem. Good luck!
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Thanks for the advice! I look forward to implementing it.
This has definitely been the most helpful strategy for me so far with these!
I swear 90% plus of these parallel analogy questions have been E.
In my eyes it's very much intentional. trying to occupy as much of your time as possible. I will be starting from the bottom or middle on these questions because I rarely see A being the correct choice.
Is there somewhere that I can find a list of all the different types of reasoning? #help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXhMp9J1oFA&t=246s This is a good list of common types!
I have never struggled this hard on a question type ugh
Is there a list of types of reasoning we should expect in this section? Like past-future, part-to-whole, etc. #feedback
The citizen's league endorses me. I'm just that guy?
#ImOnaNewLevel
Past-to-Future analysis seems manageable
Why wouldn't the "if" claim in E be a problem? I understand the similarities in logic but I'm confused because normally we would knock a parallel/analogy question if the stimulus wasn't a conditional, yet the AC was.
@Epicness Wondering the same aswell
@Epicness "Any" in the stimulus basically means "If it happens again...".
If I die in this video game, I will.....
Any time in the future I die in this video game I will.....
Both just mean "If it happens, the following will happen"
While isolating the word makes it less obvious, in context, they basically mean the same thing.
@Epicness also any is a sufficent indicator and so is if
this was very ez to me got it without even reading the full questions just the conlusions. The conclusion needs to have "every" needs to be strong followed by probs will. It said any which means every, then followed by problaby, it cant say most b/c most is not all.... the majority of them did not have a definiate term in the conclsuion but E.
@erarabiameyer Has this reliably worked for you or does this strategy sometimes fail?
if the stimulus uses most and the answer choice doesnt use most can I cross it out?
mostly
#feedback This is not related to this question, but is there a resource on 7Sage where we can practice translating conditional statements? I am pretty decent at writing them out on paper, but I struggle to do them solely in my head. I think having some statements to translate with answers, not necessarily from a PrepTest, would be super helpful!
Thanks!
Hey there!
Yup, we do have this! It's under our foundational concepts, under the "Conditional and Set Logic" module. Here's one of the many: https://7sage.com/lesson/skill-builder-group-1-translations/
Happy studying!
I got this right and its a video lol, imma still watch it. why nottt
MAKE IT STOPPPPP
Hi, I know that they mentioned in the video that answer choice C flips the conditional claim at the end. But if you negate it, isn't that exactly what would happen?
You would need C to say "If you are hired as an editor, then you probably won't be sympathetic to farms."
The AC, negated, would show the same thing. Would you need it written the same way in the stimulus? I thought negations did not matter bc only the reasoning does.
@shreyavpatel1@gmail.com its a most claim so the negation would be "some". so we can't conclude that if you're sympathetic then you must not be an editor because some editors are sympathetic
Are most of the flaw questions in the lsat using casual logic?
How do you realize quickly that this stimulus is not conditional or causal. You see indicators like "most" and "any". Is it just from reading and having an understanding of the stimulus. I understand that this is an analogy, but could someone explain why this example is not conditional? #feedback
Same question
@rdwade02 @TishaBrahmbhatt
I found this to be quite difficult because identifying a past-to-present analogy can be quite easy to miss. Here's how I look at it.
The stimulus isn't purely conditional because it utilizes words such as "most" and "probably." So, these relationships are weaker than "if A, then B." In my experience, I notice that when stimuli use weaker language, the logic is not always fully causal and requires some of what is happening here.
Importantly, the word "Any" here is establishing a weak if/then relationship as well. The last sentence (Conclusion) is the same to:
"If you are a proposal AND you are endorsed --> you will PROBABLY pass
When you have "Any" like this, you are making a reference to a hypothetical future event. The same goes for "if" in the conclusion: unless there is an actual concrete example, it is a hypothetical.
The premise is making an comparison to a past correlation between the two things in the sufficient condition. So, the correct answer will follow this argument structure of a hypothetical conclusion (that uses words "any" or "if/then") preceeded by a correlation that has existed in the past.
Great lesson
#help I am confused on what the transition is from causal logic mapping forms to just notations of the prompt, can someone explain it more here please?
I may have missed the mark here, but I would guess that the transition is just moving to faster, simpler versions of the mapping as you practice and become better such that drawing a fully diagrammed map is unnecessary.
That's right. The dream is no mapping at all! You just see it in your mind.