This question highlights how important writing a low-res summary is! I had a hard time keeping track of different perspectives that I am trying to make it a habit to create my own low-res summaries while reading the passage for the first time. During the RC questions, as they will inevitably ask about different perspectives that was introduced as well as the author, it's super helpful to jot down each pov that's introduced!
Had D then switched to A last second. Completely didn't even realize that I chose A based off the author's opinion and not the many lawyers. This was hard to realize as the two perspectives are generally in agreement, with only a slight difference.
Note to self: Remember even perspectives that are in agreement can differ in the "why they believe" aspect.
@dbasalone No, it suggests that many people can't distinguish between the author's perspective and the perspective of many lawyers (I think it's especially hard here because these two perspectives aren't in opposition).
I wonder if the trend that more people chose A than D would hold true for blind review as well. The fact that (A), the trap answer, was presented first in the answer choices makes it even harder for people under time pressure to not fall into the trap. However, it doesn't mean that (A) is right
@Rena12345 I mean I totally hear you, A is clearly the wrong answer for the LSAT, and I think your point about it being the first AC and the statistical effect that produces is a good one. But in general, if you write a piece that most people interpret in sense X, even if you actually meant to imply sense Y, you really did imply sense X.
@dbasalone Definitely, I think for most pieces intended for casual consumption (where everyone has ample time to read), that would be the case. But the LSAT is intended to test us, so I guess they'd need challenging questions like this one to differentiate between different levels of reading comprehension at the higher end of the curve
@dbasalone No, it empirically suggests that many people misread the question stem and overlooked the part where it says "many lawyers believe". A is clearly the wrong answer, and if you chose it, it's because you were careless in reading the question stem.
@dbasalone I'm sorry you feel that way. I was merely making the point that it's difficult to arrive at A as an answer if you notice that the question stem makes a distinction between what "many lawyers" believe and what the authors believe. But you know what? I bet you won't make this mistake on the test now, because you have this memory. Good score, here we come!
need to learn to be PATIENT PATIENT PATIENT. so much of RC is just about understanding what the question is asking and what the answer choices are saying. EVERY WORD MATTERS. also a little motivation for everyone who also chose A because they didn't read the rest of the choices carefully: stupid mistakes are the best kinds of mistakes. once you learn to not make the same kind of mistake again, you will gradually improve. be kind to yourself and you got this everyone!
someone plz help this is like the fifth time on RC i get it right rly quick and then think nawwww I cant be getting it that quick and then re read and change it
@erarabiameyer I did the same thing...I think it may just take practice trusting ourselves. But what I noted was that the passage never said anything about lawyers perspective for choice A, just the author's perspective. So it can be confusing.
DO NOT.... I REPEAT>>> DO NOT convince yourself that a question is right and half butt read the following answers just to say you "read the rest of the answers" but immediately delete it with no thought on what it even says just because you think you found the answer
I don't understand how A is any "wronger" or D is any "righter." Just like D is implied in the opening paragraph, how is A not implied in the last one. Is it just the"lawyers" part?
It is just the lawyers part -- the question asks us what the passage supports concerning what many lawyers believe. Nothing in the last paragraph provides evidence that many lawyers believe the points being made there.
Answer choice A is conflating what the author may believe and what lawyers believe. The passage only says that lawyers think it should be used when the information would be more damaging if the other side raised it, and that they think stealing thunder is effective.
Kevin, as I'm studying, I'm trying to look for patterns to help me on test day. Like in this question, I've noticed that the majority (three out of the five) answer choices start with "the decision should...". If there are repeat instances in which an answer choice starts off, is it clever to hone in on the majority aka (C), (D), and (E) here?
Or, is this recognized pattern unfounded, meaning that I should not automatically rule out any answer choices.
It's a bit too cute for my taste -- I can't say that this kind of pattern DOESN'T exist...but I definitely don't think it's worth thinking about this. There will be enough exceptions to whatever pattern exists, if any, that it'll hurt you more than help.
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bruhness
FMLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Absolutely killing it (on BR lol)
Ctrl F was really useful for this one lmao
Ouch
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@AndyTzul
boom. clap.
This question highlights how important writing a low-res summary is! I had a hard time keeping track of different perspectives that I am trying to make it a habit to create my own low-res summaries while reading the passage for the first time. During the RC questions, as they will inevitably ask about different perspectives that was introduced as well as the author, it's super helpful to jot down each pov that's introduced!
Had D then switched to A last second. Completely didn't even realize that I chose A based off the author's opinion and not the many lawyers. This was hard to realize as the two perspectives are generally in agreement, with only a slight difference.
Note to self: Remember even perspectives that are in agreement can differ in the "why they believe" aspect.
If more people chose A than chose D... doesn't that empirically suggest that A is more strongly implied?
@dbasalone No, it suggests that many people can't distinguish between the author's perspective and the perspective of many lawyers (I think it's especially hard here because these two perspectives aren't in opposition).
I wonder if the trend that more people chose A than D would hold true for blind review as well. The fact that (A), the trap answer, was presented first in the answer choices makes it even harder for people under time pressure to not fall into the trap. However, it doesn't mean that (A) is right
@Rena12345 I mean I totally hear you, A is clearly the wrong answer for the LSAT, and I think your point about it being the first AC and the statistical effect that produces is a good one. But in general, if you write a piece that most people interpret in sense X, even if you actually meant to imply sense Y, you really did imply sense X.
@dbasalone Definitely, I think for most pieces intended for casual consumption (where everyone has ample time to read), that would be the case. But the LSAT is intended to test us, so I guess they'd need challenging questions like this one to differentiate between different levels of reading comprehension at the higher end of the curve
@dbasalone No, it empirically suggests that many people misread the question stem and overlooked the part where it says "many lawyers believe". A is clearly the wrong answer, and if you chose it, it's because you were careless in reading the question stem.
@DavidDuncan88 You having fun being a jackass to people in this thread? Go gloat somewhere else.
@dbasalone I'm sorry you feel that way. I was merely making the point that it's difficult to arrive at A as an answer if you notice that the question stem makes a distinction between what "many lawyers" believe and what the authors believe. But you know what? I bet you won't make this mistake on the test now, because you have this memory. Good score, here we come!
This is the first time I've seen a question where more people got it wrong than right. I got it right but I almost went with A. This question is nuts.
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this question is just insane, people literally got A more than they got D. like HUUHHH
i hate yo
@urmom lsac got me so effed up i can't even spell
I was on a roll until now... thanks for always keeping me humble, 7Sage.
can't even a get a "now this is a hard question" to make me feel better smh
need to learn to be PATIENT PATIENT PATIENT. so much of RC is just about understanding what the question is asking and what the answer choices are saying. EVERY WORD MATTERS. also a little motivation for everyone who also chose A because they didn't read the rest of the choices carefully: stupid mistakes are the best kinds of mistakes. once you learn to not make the same kind of mistake again, you will gradually improve. be kind to yourself and you got this everyone!
damn i rly need to stop over thinking I picked D and then changed to A in Br
someone plz help this is like the fifth time on RC i get it right rly quick and then think nawwww I cant be getting it that quick and then re read and change it
@erarabiameyer I did the same thing...I think it may just take practice trusting ourselves. But what I noted was that the passage never said anything about lawyers perspective for choice A, just the author's perspective. So it can be confusing.
Nah this question got me rethinking my life decisions, this whole section is KILLING ME Y’ALL
I thought D meant that if the lawyer steals thunder, then the opps will try to produce an advantage based on the mention of negative information.
Now this one pmo
skill issue
lol
DO NOT.... I REPEAT>>> DO NOT convince yourself that a question is right and half butt read the following answers just to say you "read the rest of the answers" but immediately delete it with no thought on what it even says just because you think you found the answer
that is what I did on this question. SMH
When the curve goes all the way to 180 you know the question is evil
I don't understand how A is any "wronger" or D is any "righter." Just like D is implied in the opening paragraph, how is A not implied in the last one. Is it just the"lawyers" part?
It is just the lawyers part -- the question asks us what the passage supports concerning what many lawyers believe. Nothing in the last paragraph provides evidence that many lawyers believe the points being made there.
Answer choice A is conflating what the author may believe and what lawyers believe. The passage only says that lawyers think it should be used when the information would be more damaging if the other side raised it, and that they think stealing thunder is effective.
Kevin, as I'm studying, I'm trying to look for patterns to help me on test day. Like in this question, I've noticed that the majority (three out of the five) answer choices start with "the decision should...". If there are repeat instances in which an answer choice starts off, is it clever to hone in on the majority aka (C), (D), and (E) here?
Or, is this recognized pattern unfounded, meaning that I should not automatically rule out any answer choices.
Appreciate the response. Thank you.
It's a bit too cute for my taste -- I can't say that this kind of pattern DOESN'T exist...but I definitely don't think it's worth thinking about this. There will be enough exceptions to whatever pattern exists, if any, that it'll hurt you more than help.