Although removing the modifiers helps to understand what's going on, it seems to be time consuming and would take away time for the test. I guess w/ practice it will become quicker and easier.
I almost got mad before I finished watching questioning why we are adding the modifiers back in! But yes, removing them for the core comparison is helpful and then add them back in later. I like this.
@AichaCisse They're talking about a comparison. When you compare two things, one side is usually being described as having more of some quality ("winner")!
If I remove the modifiers and go through the steps, would I need to add those some modifiers back during the test, or can I move forward answering to save time?
Ancient remedial herbs that combine a large variety of different compounds are much more likely to retain their effectiveness against new, resistant strains of bacteria than are modern standard synthetic antibiotics that have been overprescribed for the last several decades.
A vs. B
Ancient remedial herbs vs. Modern standard synthetic antibiotics
What is the relationship we are comparing?
Which medicine is much more likely to retain their effectiveness against new, resistant strains of bacteria.
Winner?
Ancient Remedial Herbs.
Ancient Remedial Herbs are much more likely to retain their effectiveness against new, resistant strains of bacteria than are modern standard synthetic antibiotics.
Short version: Herbs are more effective than antibiotics.
Is it absolutely necessary to add the modifiers back in once you know who the winner is? Would it really ever change the answer or is it more like checking your work? I'm a little worried that I'll take too much time going through taking them away just to add them back in again.. advice?
@KathrynKvasnak The questions on the LSAT are likely to trip us up about the modifiers, which are extremely likely to be twisted around in the wrong answers. So, we need to add them back in so we can answer exactly the way the question wants us to
When you are actually studying or testing, how can you realistically break down sentences quickly enough so that you understand them and don’t get caught up by the complicated modifiers?
@Calibjamess I'm late to this but I think reading the news and nonfiction every day has genuinely helped me so much! I'm able to parse this sort of stuff almost instinctually because of how much I take in. That may be a more long-term thing though?
"I’m curious if anyone uses the highlighter feature to simplify sentences (after removing modifiers), similar to what Jay does in the video (starting at 1:00/3:45). I know there are three colors for highlighting. If you use this method, how effective has it been for you? Do you have a specific strategy for simplifying sentences? I’m a visual learner and like to be strategic, so any suggestions or insights would be appreciated. Thanks!
Im struggling identifying the "winner" cause, to me, ancient remedial herbs are not more likely to retain effectiveness against resistant strains of bacteria than standard antibiotics. Are these assumptions we are suppose to make? How do we know which is the winner?
@Nickgigs I felt the same. My assumption, derived from a previous lesson, is that questions on the LSAT are best answered without any 'background knowledge'. If you try to forget any previous schema and focus solely on the content of the prompt many questions are easier to digest.
I did this without removing every modifier. I chose a middle ground. I only added the modifiers that seemed pertinent. In my mind, everything after "that" was too much information to process, so I removed it.
E.G.
1: Ancient Remedial Herbs v. Modern Synthetic Antibiotics
2: Retain effectiveness against new, resistant strains of bacteria
What can be helpful is using ChatGPT or writing up your own comparative sentence examples that have modifiers (which are lots of descriptions around subjects, verbs, and objects); then practice diagraming those sentences until you feel comfortable with them. It definitely took me a few practice runs!
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Although removing the modifiers helps to understand what's going on, it seems to be time consuming and would take away time for the test. I guess w/ practice it will become quicker and easier.
This makes the passage much easier to read and understand
this saves me so much more time. NOW JUST PRACTICE
Maybe a good way to deal with this on the exam would be to jod down quick little reminders of what to keep from the stimulus.
h effect against bac. than antib.
This was so helpful
How J.Y. just dropped all the modifiers is crazyyy. I'm trying to get like that lol!
Might seem futile, but wouldn't strains be the object with of bacteria being the modifier? For the characteristic being compared
okay this was really helpful cause why they be saying ALL that
this really isnt that hard
i love this method
I almost got mad before I finished watching questioning why we are adding the modifiers back in! But yes, removing them for the core comparison is helpful and then add them back in later. I like this.
By the winner you mean that will be the answer of the question asks?
@AichaCisse They're talking about a comparison. When you compare two things, one side is usually being described as having more of some quality ("winner")!
If I remove the modifiers and go through the steps, would I need to add those some modifiers back during the test, or can I move forward answering to save time?
@MR.Washington the latter.
AVB- ancient remedial herbs that mix alot of compounds v modern synthetic antibiotics
COMPARISON- retaining efectiveness
WINNNER- ancient remedial herbs
REFERENTIALS- their=herbs, that=antibiotics
Simplified version: herbs are more effective than antibiotics
Ancient remedial herbs that combine a large variety of different compounds are much more likely to retain their effectiveness against new, resistant strains of bacteria than are modern standard synthetic antibiotics that have been overprescribed for the last several decades.
A vs. B
Ancient remedial herbs vs. Modern standard synthetic antibiotics
What is the relationship we are comparing?
Which medicine is much more likely to retain their effectiveness against new, resistant strains of bacteria.
Winner?
Ancient Remedial Herbs.
Ancient Remedial Herbs are much more likely to retain their effectiveness against new, resistant strains of bacteria than are modern standard synthetic antibiotics.
Short version: Herbs are more effective than antibiotics.
Things are clicking!!
Is it absolutely necessary to add the modifiers back in once you know who the winner is? Would it really ever change the answer or is it more like checking your work? I'm a little worried that I'll take too much time going through taking them away just to add them back in again.. advice?
@KathrynKvasnak The questions on the LSAT are likely to trip us up about the modifiers, which are extremely likely to be twisted around in the wrong answers. So, we need to add them back in so we can answer exactly the way the question wants us to
When you are actually studying or testing, how can you realistically break down sentences quickly enough so that you understand them and don’t get caught up by the complicated modifiers?
@Calibjamess I'm late to this but I think reading the news and nonfiction every day has genuinely helped me so much! I'm able to parse this sort of stuff almost instinctually because of how much I take in. That may be a more long-term thing though?
"I’m curious if anyone uses the highlighter feature to simplify sentences (after removing modifiers), similar to what Jay does in the video (starting at 1:00/3:45). I know there are three colors for highlighting. If you use this method, how effective has it been for you? Do you have a specific strategy for simplifying sentences? I’m a visual learner and like to be strategic, so any suggestions or insights would be appreciated. Thanks!
@Jaime.vel878 I do and it's so effective
Im struggling identifying the "winner" cause, to me, ancient remedial herbs are not more likely to retain effectiveness against resistant strains of bacteria than standard antibiotics. Are these assumptions we are suppose to make? How do we know which is the winner?
@Nickgigs I felt the same. My assumption, derived from a previous lesson, is that questions on the LSAT are best answered without any 'background knowledge'. If you try to forget any previous schema and focus solely on the content of the prompt many questions are easier to digest.
@Nickgigs it doesn't need to be actually true. just go based off of whatever is written here
herbs v antibiotics
retaining effectiveness v bacteria
herbs
I did this without removing every modifier. I chose a middle ground. I only added the modifiers that seemed pertinent. In my mind, everything after "that" was too much information to process, so I removed it.
E.G.
1: Ancient Remedial Herbs v. Modern Synthetic Antibiotics
2: Retain effectiveness against new, resistant strains of bacteria
3: Ancient Remedial Herbs
I'm curious to see if anyone else did this.
Ya, I did the same thing.
can we pls go back to the elephants lmao
I still do not understand fully how to pack away all the modifiers... :(
What can be helpful is using ChatGPT or writing up your own comparative sentence examples that have modifiers (which are lots of descriptions around subjects, verbs, and objects); then practice diagraming those sentences until you feel comfortable with them. It definitely took me a few practice runs!
This is a pretty smart practice. Might start working this into questions I'm struggling with.
THIS is such a great idea I don't know why I havent thought of it before. Thank you