Hi,

I took a diagnostic about 3 weeks ago and scored a 157. Since then I've taken maybe 6-7 tests and have been scoring around 170 on the last few without doing any actual studying, just glancing at why I got questions wrong and particularly emphasizing the LG section because that's what I struggled with most on my diagnostic. I'm not trying to brag or anything but I want to know realistically what it takes to get from high 160's/low 170's to consistent high 170's. Also I have over a year to study until I'll be applying to law schools.

Thanks

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Just want to hop on here and discuss some methods to get me to a 176 PT.

You've got to have a concrete approach to the questions. Here's how I break it down.

LG:

Do all the curriculum, follow all the advice. Here's my supplemental advice.

Must be true questions:

By nature of the question, the stimulus in the question HAS to lead you to a certain conclusion(s). Think about that when you are applying the additional premise to your game board or working off of the game board for those questions that have no additional premises. Look at every rule, and if you see that this specific question could lend itself to two game boards, quickly and carefully draw those out! You might, and likely will find, that X is in spot 4 in both boards, or that R is in group C in both boards, and there's your answer. You have to push through on these questions.

Could be true questions:

These, in my opinion, are harder, because the answers aren't always so easy to spot. Of course plug in any additional premise to your board and solve as normal, but if you're stuck thinking "I can't tell which direction to go", then start plugging in answers and see what will happen. It seems like a lot, but there are only 5 answers, the first one might work, the third one might work, or sometimes it's the last answer, but you've got to be able to decide that you need to shift out of "make your own inferences" mode into Test the answers mode. Knowing when to do this will precious time.

Can't be true/could be true except:

JY discusses this in many of the explanations, but it warrants my repetition. If a particular answer choice contains a game piece placement that seems to interact with many rules, i.e. it triggers a contrapositive and a not both rule, or it makes the game board have limited space for consecutive pieces, try this answer first. Not blindly jumping into answers and trying to sense the "pressure" from certain answers is a needed skill to get these harder questions right and right fast.

LR and RC:

I will be entirely honest, I did not go through the LR or RC curriculum on 7sage. I'm sure it is amazing curriculum; but I myself used a tutor when I was in the low 160s struggling on mostly LR and RC. But here is a drastic clue. You HAVE to have approaches to each question type, unless your last name is Kent and your girlfriend is Lois Lane. Knowing how to approach a flaw or an NA or a PSA is crucial. It creates structure to your test taking experience, and in theory, should result in the correct answer each time. Don't just like generically think "ok something has to be wrong here" when a flaw question is raised. Rather, realize its a flaw question, and proceed down a list of steps. Personally, I have this approach to flaws. I see that it's a flaw, and I know that I can predict the obvious answer, in which case I find the answer that exactly matches my thoughts and move on, or I summate the argument. By summate, I mean, "ok, its saying that because of this and this, this happens". People don't realize the power of what they're reading. The author is saying that because of x y and z premises, the conclusion is supported. But is it really?

All in all, that's just an example of an approach, but you need to have an approach to question types in LR. For RC, I'll say this, if the question references a certain line or idea, refer back to that line, but read the context above it first. Also, don't just stop at the end of the referenced material. If the mentioned idea/topic continues for the next few sentences. Glance back over that. The hard questions have their answers lying in the context of their references. One might then ask, "well aren't I wasting time??". Here's the answer. If you've read carefully before hand, then no. You'll have gone through the other questions easily because you took your time to understand the passage, and making certain that you comprehend the referenced stimulus in a question should not put you at a disadvantage for that passage as a whole.

But the emphasis is on the caveat. "As long as you've read carefully". Take the time, and I mean take the time. After each paragraph, I basically go through each idea I just read in those chunk of lines. Characters, viewpoints, if they disagree with someone or something, if there are any lists (there are three theories about evolution, x, y and z). Sometimes I spend 3.5 minutes reading, if it's a comparative section with two passages, I've spent 5 minutes. But I had time remaining at the end of the RC section overall.

Just finished an LG set and wanted to review, but the explanation videos won't play. The rest of the site seems to be working fine and so does my wifi, so just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. Thanks!

So I haven't seen this question yet on the discussion forum (at least not a recent post) and I think it would be helpful for me and other people. Do people have tips on staying motivated on the LSAT journey?

I know from personal experience that I can get distracted a lot during prep, or just not have the motivation seeing that there is so much riding on this one score that the daunting pressure of it pushes me away from studying. There is also burn out because if I do study I put my all int it, dedicating all my extra time to it, and as a fulltime student (who is also a commuter) with a part-time job that does take its toll. That all being said I do know when to take time out for myself and am constant "treating myself" throughout the process, which I find very helpful for treating burn out.

However, to add on the the main question does anyone have tips for balancing keeping time for yourself, and also being motivated for LSAT studying?

Idk if I'm burning out but I was making big improvements in RC and now I just feel so confused. Any tips appreciated

Hi there,

How will the LSAT be administered in 2022/2023? I have finding mixed answers online.

Will it be live proctoring or remote proctoring?

Will the four sections be in a specific order (i.e., LG, RC, AR, LG? or a different order)?

Will it be online? If it is online, is it similar to how the tests are offered on the 7Sage platform or is it totally different? Will we be able to highlight/margin notes/scratch paper?

Thanks, any information would be much appreciated!!

Hi there,

I recently took the LSAT for the first time back in August this year and am now preparing for the November LSAT, I originally took the Princeton Review course but now switched to 7Sage to primarily for the video explanations feature and blind review help. I was wondering if anyone thinks I can realistically see an increase of 5-10 points on the next test? I plan to spend 21 hours/week (3 hours/day), the only thing I'm worried about is that I am in my final year of university with a full course load and am also applying to law school at the same time. Does anyone have any tips or tricks they think could help me? Anything is helpful!

Thanks.

Hi everyone,

I'm a non-traditional student and have been studying for about a year. I work full-time at a law firm, have a wife and kids. I have a 1 1/2 year old and a 16 year old. I work days and my wife works nights, when I get home from work I have to watch the baby and on Thursdays and Fridays I have to go to my 16 year old sons football games. So basically everyday I start at 5:30am and don't have a break until 8:30pm at the earliest at which point my mind is just numb. My study times are 5:30am-7:30am but I've just lost the motivation and I've started to go to the gym in the mornings instead.

I pushed really hard for the August LSAT and didn't perform as well as I'd hoped. I got a 152. I know I need to re-take the LSAT and get a better score but I'm totally burned out. When I try to study it just feels like my mind is numb and I just can't seem care or focus. It's been about a month now, and I was scheduled to take the October LSAT, but I haven't been studying and I'm probably just going to have to move it to next year and apply for 2024 at this point.

Has anybody experienced this burnout and does anyone have any tips to get past it? Thanks!

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I just took a pretest and had gotten 25 wrong. How should I review or go over the ones I got wrong. What excersise should I undergo to make sure I have gotten a proper understanding as to why I got these questions wrong and how can I improve. Also should mention the ones I got wrong were specifically in LR & RC I'm -0 in LG.

Hi,

I have a really hard time processing information digitally. It's part of my ADHD. When I take a test that is on paper by hand it's much easier and quicker for me to process the information and work with it. When I take the PTs digitally I find myself having to write out the questions by hand in order to solve.

I've been having trouble finding out on LSAC's site if all LSAT test takers truly must adapt to digital or if there is a way to take a hand copy paper test.

Has anyone had experience with taking the test on paper by hand post the transition to digital testing? If so, how did you go about navigating this?

Appreciate any helpful words,

Emily

Hi everyone, Im taking my first LSAT in October and I'm wondering how people have been prepping to take the test with the proctor. I PT pretty high but I'm concerned that the extra stress of navigating a new system is gonna freak me out and kill my score a bit. Any suggestions on where/how to simulate test day conditions?

Also, anyone who has already taking a real LSAT using ProctorU, are there any things/glitches I should look out for or be prepared for? I'm hoping to avoid as many surprises as possible lol

Hey everybody!

I am taking the November 2022 LSAT. I have a 100% time accommodation. Obviously, I need to take PTs the length of the actual LSAT with my accommodations, but 4 hours and 40 minutes seems like a ton of time to spend when I'm not even sure the unscored section will be logical reasoning. Does anyone have any advice or insight?

Thanks so much!

Hey guys, I'm a little tough on time and I'm trying to make it through the whole syllabus. However, watching all the question example videos take a long time! I understand that they are helpful in grasping the concepts, but should I spend more time doing practice questions or watching JY explain them?

Hi guys. I already wasted my 4 chances of LSAT, with one score cancelled, before knowing 7sage and looking up to my 5th test this Oct but I have completed only 30% of the 7 sage curriculum and feels unprepared. Because all my previous scores are way below my goal score so upcoming tests are the watershed for me.

I'm thinking about cancelling the Oct LSAT but before that I wanted to make sure. My question is, if I took my first LSAT in June 2021 and 4th LSAT in January 2022, when can I take my 6th LSAT after taking 5th in October 2022? Is it 2027?

Also, if I decide to take my 5th LSAT later such as June 2023, am I not eligible to take LSAT until 2028?

It's really frustrating to accept the bad choices I made but I am really eager to get into a Law school and overcome this situation. Can anyone give me answers? Thank you in advance and hope you guys have good luck in your LSAT journey.

I have graduted from university with my bachelors and now I am currenlty studying for the LSAT. Last week I sought out an evaultion for ADHD, was subsequenlty diagnosed, and then provided with a prescription for adderall. Will this negativley affect my Character and Fitness questionare for the mental health category??? (depending on the state I end up in)

OK... Save the anti-drug bashing, but constructive criticism is invited. I've taken it since college and I've done pretty damn well with it. Now with two months left before the Dec. exam I'm starting to wonder if this is hindering my abilities. Sometimes it works great, other times not so much... For example, I'll dominate an LR section but the very next RC section I'll get lost in a passage and start to panic, which then throws me off come question time and vice/versa. I've been studying since June with it currently scoring in the high 150's low 160's... Is there anyone else here taking it who has a successful strategy with using it correctly? Perhaps a certain time of day you take it? Any specific foods you eat to maintain energy? I'm worried if I stop taking it altogether it will throw me off and by the time I recover and begin to excel it will be too late for the Dec. administration. Any suggestions or pity party invitations are graciously accepted, haha. Cheers #addywoes.

Hello everyone. I was hoping I could get some thoughts on score fluctuations. For context, I usually score in the low 150s (sad, I know), however, my last PT was a 158 (BR: 164). Is there a chance this was an outlier? Under my analytics page, my score has slowly been increasing every PT but for the most part there are fluctuations in the curve on some PTs. Last week, I scored the 158 but exactly one week before that I had scored a mere 149 while scoring a 148 the week before that one. Could this be a sign of improvement? Or a simple outlier? I guess I won't know until I PT again but was hoping I could get some opinions anyway! Thanks.

Hi, I'm a freshman for lsat. Is there anyone who is able to help with my question about whether the drills on 7sage are free or not. Many thanks in advance.

Hello everyone. I am considering investing in 7sage tutoring for the November LSAT but would like to hear first if anyone finds it helpful/beneficial before I invest in it.

Hi 7Sage peeps, does anyone know if we're allowed to use a monitor while connected to a laptop? Specifically, only the monitor screen will be in use, while the laptop screen will be completely off. ProctorU states:

"Multiple monitors/displays are not supported. If you have more than one monitor, you will need to disconnect all but one."

In my case, where only the monitor screen is on and the laptop screen is off, would that be an acceptable setup according to the requirements?

According to a previous discussion post, the user was told on test day that he could NOT use a laptop/monitor setup, despite verifying with ProctorU that his setup was acceptable prior to the test. That post can be found here:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/29956

Any answers that could shed some definitive light on this question are greatly appreciated!

Hey everyone! I took the LSAT for the first time in September, and been very frazzled past couple of days trying to figure out which one of my logic games was scored. One was relatively-ish easy, the other...let's not talk about it. I know PowerScore usually goes into which ones they think were scored and was wondering if anyone knows how long after they usually get those out. Thank you!

After months and months of study! This was the last section to really come into clarity. Wanted to post this to let anyone out their struggling know that you can overcome that obstacle! Keep pushing through, and try different avenues. It took a combination approach for me to figure this one out. Very thankful to 7sage and my tutor for all the help.