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Last comment tuesday, sep 06 2022

Is November LSAT too late?

The title says it all. I am a reapplicant and would like to better my chances.

When I first applied, it was the 2020-2021 cycle and I applied the first week of February, hoping that my January score would help. With this fear of the past, I worry if the November LSAT is too late, since I know many people take it August or September. Appreciate your thoughts!

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Anyone who took the August test and is retaking in October willing to share their study schedule for the next month? Bonus points if you work full time.

I was PTing in the high 160s-low 170s, got a 164 on the August test. Returning to studying after taking a few weeks off and struggling to come up with a schedule/strategy that will help get me a 168 or higher in October while working full time without burning out.

ALSO, if you are a tutor or know anyone who will tutor me for a few hours a week at a reasonable price (~$50/hour), hmu.

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Last comment monday, sep 05 2022

LOGIC QUESTION

I have a logic question I was wondering if you could help me with.

So I was doing a MBF question on Test 41 section 1. Essentially, the stimulus gives you two conditionals.

I know you cannot get a contrapositive out of A (Most)-> B nor out of A (some)B. So my question is is why can you not do this logical move, when you start with the original conditional statement

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Contrapositive

A->B:

By inference we can say A (most)-> B

By inference we can say A(some)B

The contrapositive being~B->~A:

By inference we can say ~B (most)-> ~A

By inference we can say ~A(some)B~

While I know that we cannot get a contrapositives from “most” conditionals and “some” conditionals, from this chart it seems like we can?

I understand from ALL you can imply MOST, from MOST you can imply SOME or from ALL you can imply SOME.

So what I am missing or not realizing?

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Hi! As the title says, I'm looking to tutor someone. :) My diagnostic was a 152 in April 2022 and my favourite section to teach is Logical Reasoning which ironically was my worst section at first. I really enjoyed the process of navigating the logic in the LSAT and I hope I get to continue being involved with the LSAT by tutoring!

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    Hi friends!

    I am a little confused and want some clarification. I have been doing prep tests and not stimulating the modern, meaning I am taking all 4 sections which makes sense because that is what I will be doing on test day. The score that I get back counts the 4th section when I perform in that mode, right? Should I do my own calculations on the sections supposedly scored and use that to keep track of my scores or is the score given by 7sage my anticipated score?

    I hope this makes sense. help pls :-)

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    Even though I really want a LOR from this Professor, I feel like I'm far to busy with schoolwork and studying for the LSAT to sit down to learn how to write a LOR. But at the same time, I think he's asking me to write it because he is far to busy. I already have 4 other LORs from employers and other professors, is it worth it for me to stress out over this single LOR? Should I kindly ask him to write it or should I just give up on his letter entirely? The thing about this professor in specific is I've known him and kept in touch with him for about 4 years, so I feel that his LOR will shed light on our long-standing academic relationship. Any advice?

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    What does your daily study routine look like? How many hours? What do you do?

    I'm currently doing about 2-3 hrs/day prepping for October, mainly drilling and reviewing full sections. I don't know if that's too little/too much (working too). Thoughts?

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    Looking to score over a 160. Just took the August test and got a 152.

    I did Princeton Review and Kaplan and was not a fan of either. I need a structured study plan to get me to my goal. Needs to be flexible.

    Weakest section is Logic Reasoning. The strongest is Logic Games, but I want to get my LG down to (-2) max. I'm anywhere from a -0 to -5 on an LG section.

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    Hey guys,

    I've been studying for around 4 months and I've been getting quite discouraged by the big differences in my practice test and blind review scores, and was hoping to see if i could get any advice from anyone whose had similar experiences as me.

    I have done around 20 practice tests and noticed that when i do them completely untimed, I get high around a 170 (give and take 3-4 points) However, the problem is that when i do them under timed settings, my score drops all the way down to 159-160s... its really concerning me, especially that i have a test scheduled this September.

    Any advice would be appreciated! (Would also like to know how long you guys think the process of passing this timed vs untimed hurdle might take)

    Thanks,

    -K

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    Last comment thursday, sep 01 2022

    Should I retake the LSAT?

    August LSAT is my first official LSAT attempt, I got 165. This score is 5 more points than the 75th percentile of my target school. I think chances to be admitted is quite sure. So right now my question is that should I retake the LSAT to secure more scholarship? I checked the 509 report, I think maybe I can get more than half scholarship. But it is still too expensive for me, I need the full scholarship.

    So here is the question:

    1.Go ahead to apply with my current score. The good thing of this is that I save time and don't have to do it again. And also I can submit early, I think this would increase my chance of scholarship, but I am not sure, pls correct me if I am wrong. The bad thing is that my score is not super high enough to secure full scholarship. But, wait, am I wrong to think in this way. The higher above 75th percentile, the bigger scholarship?

  • Retake in October. The good thing is that I may be able to get a higher score. Yes, may be able to. So it is not necessarily true I will get a higher score. And how much higher? I am looking forward to 169. I am not super confident of this. But I do think I have the chance.
  • So if I get higher score, then apply on Nov 2, is my chance to get full scholarship biggest?

    The bad thing about this plan is I retake, but not good score, then I am late in applying. And then does it mean I screw myself?

    Really need advice!

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    All,

    After repeatedly getting diagnostics in the 130's I decided to get 7sage in January 2021. I foolishly believed that I only needed help with Logic Games and put the bulk of my focus there but I realized Logic Games was taking me a REALLY long term to get through so I decided midway through 2021 to go through the entire CC in order beginning with lesson one. I also decided I wouldn't do another PT until I have finished the CC and have a solid understanding of how this exam works. Sometimes, I would spend hours slaving over a topic until I understood it and as such my progress through the CC has been slower than I hoped for. Am I taking the right approach? Is there a better approach to this?

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    Last comment thursday, sep 01 2022

    Can I retake just the writing?

    Is it possible to retake just the writing without the whole LSAT? I'm happy with my score but don't love my writing sample.

    Sorry -- I'm sure this answer is already out there somewhere but I'm having a weirdly hard time finding it.

    Thank you!

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    Hi everyone, just received my first LSAT score and wanted to share my thoughts on what helped me get there. Like some people on this forum, I started prepping late and was working full time while doing prep.

    I started prepping for the test in May 2022 with the intent of taking the test in August. At first, I thought "nah I have so much time", so I took the entire May to just slowly work my way through Powerscore's LG bible. I then did my first PT, scored a 158 and was sort of encouraged by this score because I needed a 166 to get into my target school, and I wasn't quite aware of how hard/easy it is to increase your score. I was also working full time through the summer, though my job was chill so I wasn't coming home feeling like I'm done with life, which I'm sure helped with the prep. My weakest section was LG (when I started, it would take me about two hours to complete one logic game), and my RC/LR were generally in the -2 to -6 range from the start (my undergrad was in philosophy so I suspect it helped).

    My main issue was getting overwhelmed with the LGs. I would get stuck on a question, then start freaking out that I'm spending too much time on this question so I won't finish the section on time, so I might as well just quit. My PTs quickly went into 165-166 but then I stayed there for two-ish months, then I slowly started getting 168-169, and just the week before the test I scored my first 170. I then did my actual test and received a 171 this morning.

    With this out of the way, here are some things that I believe helped me score a 171 on the test day:

    No PTs on the test week. I knew that if I scored low, I'd be discouraged and it would impact my test day performance. My mental fatigue was starting to show, so I knew that even if I did several PTs on the test week and did well on them, I would get super tired and my brain would turn into mashed potatoes on the test day. Whatever gains were promised by trying to develop the stamina during the final week didn't seem to justify the risks.

    Eating a big, delicious breakfast on the test day. This one might seem like a very minor point, but once you consistently score within your target range, then you have the ability that you need to do well, doing well on the LSAT comes down to winning the mental game. Eating breakfast sausages with bacon and eggs really helped me win the mental game and feel good before the test.

    Don't burn through the study material just because you feel like a loser. This one was big for me. I would take a PT, then score 3-4 points below my average, then I'd get mad at myself for being stupid, then I'd take another PT, do even worse, then the cycle repeats. By the end, I have wasted the study material and learned nothing valuable. You can spend hours doing really inefficient prep and learning next to nothing just because you feel like "I must keep prepping! My life=prep, nothing else matters". This was my mindset very often, and it only made me feel worse for not progressing faster. Instead, what I found helpful was to allow your mind to really rest. My best PT performance was after taking a week-long break and doing zero prep during this week, and I think that doing something similar during the week before the test helped me immensely.

    Having a game plan for when you're experiencing test-day paralysis. If you're like me, then you worry that you'll get stuck and unable to progress through the test, which will start a chain of psychological events that make you shrivel up on the inside and want to terminate the test right then. Acknowledge this and develop an action plan for what you do when this happens. For me, it was a very deliberate breathing exercise, where I would take 15-30 seconds (yes, you must sacrifice time to gain something more valuable -- a clear mind and an ability to keep going) and do deep breathing.

    Understanding that the LSAT is not a mysterious magical ritual. This one was by far one of the most helpful things in winning the mental game. To do well on the LSAT, you don't need to grasp some deep mysteries and hope that it works. The LSAT made by humans like you and I, who're sitting there and creating problems with predictable patterns. It is a standardized test whose complexity is limited by the ability of those nerds (sorry LSAT-makers) to create convoluted problems. They're trying to confuse you and scare you, but they're just applying simple psychological tricks -- you're better than that, you can recognize these tricks, understand how to solve these problems, and be smarter than them.

    If anyone has any questions, feel free to post them here or DM!

    All the best to you my friends

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    Hi people,

    Since my wifi is much better at my office than at home I'm planning to take my test there. My office computer setup is a laptop hooked up to a second monitor. That means that I'm not staring right into the camera (I look at my monitor, and the camera is on my laptop). Is that setup allowed, or do I need to be using a device that I'm looking at straight on? It'd make sense if I couldn't use the standalone monitor and needed to use my laptop instead, but it would be awesome to be able to use a bigger screen during the test. Thanks in advance!

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    The first time I took a logic game section, I didn't get a single question right. Logic games were the death of me. Every time I took one, I would literally start crying.I decided I wanted to just keep going and going until I got what I wanted. I would wake up at 6am, and study for two or three hours before my college classes started. I studied for over 400 hours total. It was one of the hardest things I have ever done. Today, I got my score back. A 174. I couldn't have done it without 7sage. The course saved me.Now, so many doors are open.To whoever is reading this, please remember, YOU CAN DO IT.

    Do not give up. The time will come. I never thought I could've done this, but somehow I did! Thank you to this wonderful community for all the support along the way.7sage is such an amazing platform, and I cannot recommend it enough. I am canceling my account, but for a very happy reason :)

    Much love,

    E

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    Last comment thursday, sep 01 2022

    154 --> 169 Thank You 7Sage

    I didn't think I would ever write one of these posts but alas.

    In 2019, I started with a diagnostic score of 154. After studying for two years, I scored a 166 in the September 2021 test. I dipped to a 163 in the October 2021 test. After that, I was incredibly discouraged, took a break from studying, decided not to apply to law school that cycle, and even contemplated whether law school was right for me. I restarted studying this past summer, aggressively PTing, drilling, and reviewing, and I'm so happy I was able to increase, even if if it's only three points, my score to a 169.

    Could not have done this without 7sage's thorough explanations and resources -- thank you.

    My two things of unsolicited advice:

    (1) Where there's a will, there's a f**king way.

    This journey was incredibly challenging -- mentally and emotionally -- to the point where I asked myself repeatedly whether I even wanted to pursue the law. I felt like I had hit a wall, not once but multiple times, and kept going using brute force because I wanted it. If you want it and if you are willing to put in the work, you can -- and will -- achieve it.

    (2) This is your journey and no one else's.

    You know what's best for you. You know what study method works for you and how much you need to study to achieve the score you want. For me, because I'm not innately smart, I knew I had to put in more than five times the work than the average person. I answered every PT question, including RC, LG, and LR, from PT 15 and up at least five times (for LG, I did every question six to ten times). I know, crazy. This strategy doesn't work for everyone, but for me, I knew I had to drill these questions several times to develop my ability to recall different patterns (LSAT is all about pattern recognition). Figure out what works for you, and develop your own strategy. Block out the outside noise from your parents, tutors, or other high scorers -- they don't know what works best for you, only you do.

    Good luck!

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    Last comment thursday, sep 01 2022

    Should I retake?

    I received a 172 on the August test, which was my first attempt. I have a 3.95 uGPA and am not URM. I have a graduate degree and am in the process of getting another. I also have some relevant legal work experience. My PR was a 177 (with a 180 BR). I think I could do better than 172 if I took it again, but ideally, I would like to stop studying.

    I'm hoping to go to HYS or Chicago, or to get substantial merit aid from another T14. Do you think it's worth retaking? Or are my chances decent as is?

    Thanks!

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