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Hi! I took the LSAT in November and got a 166, so this isn't one of those "I got 170+" stories.

Some background about me; a year and a half ago (July 2019) I had the brilliant idea that with my incredibly low gpa I couldn't get into any grad program I wanted but law school was much more "splitter-friendly" so I'll just take the LSAT and become a lawyer! I argue...sometimes. That's what lawyers do right? I was super lazy, unhealthy, played video games all day, and watch tv shows when I was too lazy to press buttons.

So I bought an LSAT test booklet (62-71) and was like ok Diagnostic time! I tried the first question (I think it was LR?) then the next. Couldn't even finish the section or the rest of the LSAT for that matter since I was so mentally exhausted and tired. And I missed half of the few that I got right when I later checked. Idk what diagnostic score that counted for, but somewhere in the 130s maybe. That was my starting point.

After revamping a lot of my life I ended up consistently getting a 162, then retaking and getting a 166 while scoring mostly in the 170s. After having gone through that, I look back and realize how fortunate (financially and time-wise) I was to have been able to make the steps to get that far. Which leads me to the point of the post.

Skipped background, here's the point; I've received a lot of free information on this and other websites, and having finished the past year and received essentially free tutoring from u/lsat_is_samsara (thanks a lot to that guy for his patience), I decided I'd like to offer tutoring like he did as well. Granted he's a genius, but whatever I can offer through zoom or discord I'd be happy to offer it to anyone who might need/want it.

I also have an ulterior motive; I actually enjoyed the process of trying to master the LSAT. And then finally accepting my test score rather than vehemently obsessing over a 170. Which I'm still somewhat sore over. I think the LSAT made me a better person and a better thinker. I swear the LSAC doesn't pay me to say these things; forcing myself to assess how I think and reason was very helpful in other aspects of my life (emotional health, decision making, investing etc.) So if I can help instill some of that in some of the prospective students who are maybe railing against the frustrations they feel about the test, I'd like to do that.

Some information/ideas off the bat from me; (this will be for people who maybe just started the LSAT, though feel free to read if you wish)

Logical reasoning; relationship between the premise/conclusion is paramount. Attack it with everything you've got, try to destroy the opposition for ever considering making such a fallacious argument.

Ex: If we hire more employees, we'll make more profits! You: What about the costs of scaling up? What if the market is already saturated with our product and our increasing production will drive prices down? What if tomorrow an earthquake happens, the employees die and they all had earthquake insurance?

Reading comprehension; my most difficult to improve, yet imo the most valuable to work on from the beginning. Read everything critically? Reading a novel? Why is the author saying this? How does relate to previous chapters? Reading a news article? What is the point of the piece? How does the author express their main point and whose view points are being used here? Question everything. And practice whenever you can. You will be reading a lot! Best fall in love with it.

A lot of people who strive to become lawyers come from non-stem backgrounds with low doses of math. I think this hurts people, especially for this test. Every answer is 100% correct. There is no "well let's agree to disagree". This is, basically, a math test. Instead of variables like x, y, z you have words that have values. And instead of asking you to solve for x, it asks you to find the flaw (or how to correct it). Some questions recently have definitely become much less clear cut, but the education of math has also become a lot more complicated as time goes on. This may appear like bad news, but the good aspect of this is, you can figure it out. It's understandable and reliable. Once you start getting a question type, you can rely on that experience to master other like questions.

LG; this is one which a lot of test takers complain that it's unrelated to law. To me, it's the most apt testing of one's "lawyering" skills. Granted my lack of experience in law may bias me, but LG is testing your ability to understand the rules of a system, and how to play the game. Imagine a client asking you about tax law. You have to know the laws/statutes (rules of the system) and what options your client has to optimizing their situation (playing the game). It becomes more complicated than that, but this is a pretty simple start to that mentality. Plus, this is the section you can practice and get 100% nearly every time!

If you have any questions, feel free to reach out! Otherwise if this was uninteresting to you, or if it didn't help, then I wish you well this new year and hope you get the score you deserve (if you're still taking it)!

And if you disagree with anything I say, please let others know in the comments; I might not think I'm wrong by saying the above, but someone else may read what I wrote and take it at face value. Unless they're practiced in reading LSAT stimuli lol.

EDIT: So a lot of people have been contacting me or writing here on how to contact me. You can message me personally here and if you're comfortable with a call, leave either an email or a number for me to zoom/call you along with a comfortable time/date so that we can schedule something this week! I am PST, and free generally after 3 pm! I do have other obligations so that is not set in stone, but I will do my best to circumvent it and respond to all questions/requests for tutoring.

Please hedge your expectations as I am not a professional tutor and will most likely deviate in some areas regarding their assistance! Good luck to all!

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Hi I completely bombed one of the tests on 7sage and would like to retest. Does 7sage allow you to take a test again and re-score? I can't seem to figure out how.

Thanks!

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I feel as though I am going crazy. I had done a number of prep tests before using 7sage but I kept track of which ones I had taken. I am doing tests I have not done before now and most the questions feel familiar. I know they use the same stem multiple times but I feel as though my good scores are coming from the fact I have done these questions before although I may not have done them before. Is this happening to anyone else?

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Is it possible to schedule the LSAT flex in the middle of the night? Taking the test in the middle of the night would be the most safe option for minimizing disturbances for my environment, but I was wondering if it was even possible.

Are available test times on a 24-7 basis for your region? In previous proctorU registrations I only looked at the specific time I wanted so I didn’t really look at how wide-ranging the times that they had were.

For instance, if I was in the region (Europe, Africa, and the Middle East), would the time slot “3 am” in the UK even be an option for me haha, or are all the time slots limited to just early morning to reasonable nighttime hours. If anyone remembers that would be helpful!

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Side note:

IF ProctorU has 24-7 availabilities, I am also of course curious to hear about any health/scientific comments on health impacts/performance of switching to a nocturnal life. (I used to wake up at 9 AM, sleep at midnight). It would be a major change, but there are 16 days to go until Jan 19 so I think it's possible to adjust to being nocturnal. Just not sure if there might be unknown consequences.

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Hi I am trying to sign up for the ultimate+ course and I'm seeing that it requires an LSAT prep plus for another 100 bucks. Can I not access the material unless I have the prep plus thing?

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Hi 7Sagers!

I am looking for advice regarding the best way to boost my score for a retake.

I was planning to apply for the 2021 cycle but have decided to wait, partially so I can apply ASAP for the next cycle to increase chances at admission/scholarships and partially because my LSAT score isn't quite where I want it to be/believe it can be.

Some background:

  • I self-studied last summer for around 2.5 months using Khan Academy and PTs, was scoring around 160-161, but I scored a 158 on the August LSAT.
  • I switched to 7Sage in October and have since been using that to do PTs, timed sections, and watch videos of areas that I need to strengthen. I have not done the core curriculum in its entirety - wasn't sure if it would be helpful since I had a foundation from studying the first time around and wasn't necessarily brand new to the test.
  • In December, I was still PTing around 160-161 (with the occasional higher score), which was frustrating because I felt like the additional studying hadn't done anything.
  • Since making the decision to wait a cycle, I have pushed my Jan test to April (would be open to pushing it to May if that's an option & is flex) with a goal of 165+ and am now wondering what is the best way for me to prepare during these next few months - focus on whole PTs? Do the core curriculum? Do a combination of the two at the same time? I'm worried that if I focus too much time on the curriculum, I am just delaying practicing my skills & will have less time ultimately to do PTs; on the other hand, it seems that the curriculum might be important in strengthening my foundation.

    I want to feel as confident as possible going into the next LSAT and would love any suggestions you all have for how to best approach studying this time around!

    P.S. I do work full-time in case that changes anything.

    Thank you!

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    I am struggling to make a problem set if I want to add LR,LG and RC. Is anyone else having this problem or know how to fix it. I just want to make a small multiple section quiz for myself. Any help would be great!

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    So after getting a 176 and 175 on two PTs (81 and 86) I took 75 as a flex and got... a 168. I tanked on RC (-6) and also did fairly bad on LR for what I've been scoring (-3). Bright spot was a -1 on LG but overall it was not great. I this is tied for my worst RC score (I also got -6 on PT 70 a few weeks) and I'm sort of deflated even though I'm aware that I'm probably more likely to get -2 or -3 on RC since that's what I usually get. I feel like I've neglected RC and honestly 7sage's methods don't help me. I've been listening to the Powerscore podcast and I've considered buying the RC bible and cramming it before Sunday. However, I'm worried about a) burn out and b) that I'm overreacting. I don't know if there was anything off about this PT although I might have gotten overconfident after hitting those high scores. Should I take more PTs before Sunday? The Powerscore podcast says no because a bomb might put me into a spin (already kind of happened).

    This was a mess of a post but any insight would be super helpful

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    Hi all!

    Taking January and just trying to avoid any potential mishaps as much as I can. Was curious about the devices everyone used to take their Flex exam on (for those who have already tested). I have a Macbook Air 2020 that I'm generally confident about but I also read somewhere that Macs are less compatible with the system - may have just been an anecdotal story though.

    Also any other tips for taking Flex? I've heard horror stories of proctors messaging test-takers and causing them to lose time, so I'm trying to avoid anything that could get me "in trouble" lol.

    Thanks :)

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    Hello 7Sage community!

    I feel as though this is a pretty common issue people have when it comes to test, so I thought I'd seek out the community's advice on the matter.

    I've always had a problem when it came to tests and being timed. I get anxious and basically skim through the question and answers, only to find that I've scored terribly low. And in turn, when I'm not timed and take my time reading and answering questions and answers, I find that I've scored pretty high.

    So I ask anyone/everyone who reads this to please leave some advice as to how I can be less anxious and improve my score while being timed.

    Thanks for reading. :)

    #help

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    Hello!

    I took the test the first time July 2019 right when they began to switch to digital (I had a paper test) and got a 163. This was after only a month and a half of studying, using only 7Sage and I improved from a 154 diagnostic. I am looking to take the test again before applying this fall and would like to improve my score to either high 160s (168-169) or to the 170s (which obviously would be ideal). Ideally I would take it in April (before I have to start going back into work). So I have a few questions:

  • Has anyone used 7Sage again for a second test and do you have any recommendations? Should I redo the classes? Only take tests? Just seeking experiences from people who used this program twice. I loved it so would like to continue to use it, but only if people found it helpful a second time around.
  • How many practice tests should I try and take from now until April in order to likely to be prepared to improve as much as I would like to?
  • Do people recommend private tutors? Or other types of extra help?
  • Do people find the Flex test easier with it being shorter?
  • Any recommendations from people who studied while having a full-time job? (I work 9-6 M-f)
  • Thanks in advance for any help or advice!

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    I'm taking the writing sample tomorrow. Here's what I've gathered from online advice:

    It isn't scored, but it matters insofar as it demonstrates ability to write an essay under timed conditions and that it roughly matches the quality of your personal statement (given the time constraints of the writing sample) to show that someone else didn't write your personal statement. Don't go in blind, but you shouldn't stress too much on this.

    What matters is ability to make a coherent argument from the information given. Don't bring in outside knowledge or try to make arguments unrelated to the information at hand in the prompt.

    Look at sample prompts and responses to get a general idea of how the prompt and essay could look. After this, do at least one simulated writing sample so you don't get cold feet on the actual sample.

    Different websites suggest different structures. I've seen sites suggest anything from 2-6 paragraphs. The 6 paragraph formats seemed unorganized and too long for the time constraints. The 4 paragraph seems best as it matches traditional essays, demonstrating writing ability, and it seems to best organize the information that is necessary for a good response to the prompt, given time constraints. These paragraphs may not be long; keep in mind your time limit. Here are the suggested formats for 2, 3, 4, & 5 paragraph essays:

    2: Body 1 (Argument for your position, with thesis). Body 2 (Counterargument against the opposition).

    3: Body 1 (Argument for your position, with thesis). Body 2 (Counterargument against the opposition). Conclusion (restate thesis and strongest points).

    4 (Best option in my opinion): Intro (Restate information given and provide thesis). Body 1 (Argument for your position). Body 2 (Counterargument against the opposition). Conclusion (restate thesis and strongest points).

    4b (IRAC): Issue (state the issue that you are being asked to analyze). Rule (state the criteria). Application (apply the criterion to both sides). Conclusion (explain why your position is best given the facts).

    5: Intro (Restate information given and provide thesis). Body 1 (1st Argument for your position). Body 2 (2nd Argument for your position). Body 3 (Counterargument against your position). Conclusion (restate thesis and strongest points).

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    Hi all,

    I did PT 86 on Law Hub (got a 175!) but when I was inputting my answers on 7sage to add the test to my analytics, the RC section had 26 instead of 27 Qs. Is this just me?

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    Is there a way to enter your answers for specific questions you attempt while drilling? It seems that you can only enter results for full preptests

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    Is there an explanation available for the tags on the practice tests? For example, SeqPure I understand, but what is MC or INFAP? It would be really great if there is a chart I could throw into Excel.

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    Hey folks! I just began studying for the LSAT full time (30hrs/wk) a few days ago intending to take July/Aug. I'm hoping to get some advice from you guys on a couple of things with regards to the CC.

    I am struggling to keep up with my generated study schedule. For example, a lesson like 'Intro to Arguments' may say that it requires 2hrs to complete, but I find that it usually takes me twice as long (or more) to actually finish because I handwrite notes, pause the videos, try the exercises, review, etc. Currently, the schedule says I should be done the CC in 2 months, but if its taking me double the time will it take me 4 months to finish? Is this normal or am I doing something wrong?

    I finished the 'Intro Arguments' and 'Grammar' lessons and I'm debating if I should jump ahead and start with learning LGs first? I've been told some people prefer learning LG, then LR, and finally RC. Thoughts on doing this or should I just stick with the order of the CC?

    Thanks guys!

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    I'm planning on taking the LSAT summer 2021, so hopefully there will be an opportunity to take the test in person at that point. However, the prospect of having to take it at home is really stressing me out. My family is all working from home (and will continue to do so for at least the next year), and I have a lot of noisy animals. My anxiety makes me very sensitive to noise, so I typically have separate room accommodations on all types of exams. The noise isn't something I can get used to (it's not simply an annoyance but is something that can actually send me into a panic).

    Has anyone with a similar issue found a solution? At this point, I'm thinking of saving up money to rent out a space for that day or something. Thank you! I appreciate any tips you might have. Best of luck to those prepping!

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    Hi everyone,

    I recently completed the 7sage Core Curriculum and was seeking advice on how to proceed with studying. On my first diagnostic test I received a score of 133. I first began the CC back in March of 2020, but was not very consistent in the beginning. I try to devote around 15-20 hours a week studying. It took me until the end of July to finish the LR part of the CC, as I did not really buckle down until the middle of April. While completing the LR section of the CC, I also read The Loophole in Logical Reasoning. I began the LG section of the CC in August and full-proofed every game offered in the CC. I finally finished the RC section of the CC at the end of December 2020. I took my first PT as a flex test (February 1997) and scored a 157 (-12/-7/-6 in LR/LG/RC). My BR score was a 169 (-8/-1/-3 in LR/LG/RC).

    It is very obvious I have an issue with LR. I definitely have some fundamentals to improve on, as I believe I lost a good portion of the knowledge I gained from completing that section of the CC earlier in 2020. I've read that doing untimed sections may help improve fundamentals?

    With LG, I used to be completely clueless. I think the CC has helped me improve tremendously, but I think I can do better. I feel like it may be a good idea to fool-proof the remaining games from 1-35, but if anyone has any advice I'd appreciate it.

    As for RC, I really feel like this section is a hit or miss. I did okay in my opinion on this pt, considering it was my best section while timed. I assume the only way to improve here is to just drill passages?

    I guess what I'm trying to get at is how should I proceed now that I've completed the CC. I very much enjoyed the structure that the CC provided and I'm sort of feeling lost now. I don't think I have the time to take a PT every week nor do I think it would be useful for me to do that right now. I am beginning to wonder if perhaps I should redo the LR portion of the CC, but this time much more quickly. Does anyone have any thoughts on where I should perhaps begin? I know it sounds silly, I am just very confused about this whole drilling process. Also, I'm not out here aiming to get a 170 or anything, if I could get a 160 on the actual test I'd be ecstatic.

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