Hello,

I've recently looked into getting a personal tutor and was wondering what suggestions you guys may have! I checked out the list of LSAT tutors that JY posted but I noticed that they are all basically American based. I would love to hear any Canadian suggestions you have. Thanks :)

How are you all fool proofing the logic games from PT 1-35 given the flex format? Are you still printing them out or doing them online and using scrap paper?

Hi all,

So I remember a time where the LSAT was 6 sections, the first 5 included two LR sections, one RC and one Games, with an experimental section, and the 6th section was an unscored writing sample.

7Sages tests, the ones you can print and take physically are 4 sections and they score calculations are based on all 4 sections. But apparently, the most recent non flex tests are 5 sections, including two LR, one RC, and one game, but one of the LRs are experimental? With the last section again being the writing sample.

For the LSAT flex, the sections are just three, one LR, one RC and one games, with a writing sample you have to do at some point prior. But I am told the score calculations between this and the above are no different.

I think there is a disconnect between how 7Sage scores it’s tests. How is the flex scored differently than normal?

I don’t know if that made any sense, I hope someone can help me put the pieces together.

@studentservice

When I create a problem set (PT 66 S3 Q12-18) I get all the questions correct but when I go back to "show existing problem sets" and scroll down to the one I created(PT 66 S3 Q12-18) it only says 94% correct even though I got all the question correct.

I'm planning on taking the April test. Given that I am not yet PTing at where I'd like to score, I'm also considering waiting another year before applying to law school. In this case, I will have multiple opportunities after the April test to retake. So far, I've only taken the test officially once. I know that many people take this test multiple times and that some people take it up to 5, 6, even 7 times. I'd like to save as many fresh PTs as I can for potential retakes, but obviously still continue working towards this upcoming April test.

I've done about 25-30 full PTs, and I have the following 20 PTs that are still fresh and untouched:

A, B, C, D, 80, 82, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, May 20, 37, 39, 42, 43, 49, 64, C2

I have about 5 weeks until the April test, and I am usually able to fully review 1 PT per week. So far, I've generally only taken 1 PT per week, at most 2 on some weeks. Given that there is a possibility that I will retake the test at least once more after April, how many PTs would you recommend that I do in these final 5 weeks? 1 each week? 2 each week? I do still have a backlog of some LR and RC sections that I've taken but have not reviewed yet, so I can spend some time reviewing those, too.

I haven't touched most of the 80s, although I did do 81 and 83 and did equally well on those as I did on the other PTs. I didn't find them to be too different from PTs in the 60s and 70s, really. How many of the 80s would you save up for potential retakes? How many PTs in general should I save for potential retakes? Which ones? Should I do the early ones now, like A, B, C, D, 37, 39, 42...?

I should note that LG is my weakest section and that I know that A, B, C, and D, and some in the late-80s have really tough LG.

Hey 0Ls, 1Ls, 2Ls, 3Ls, and Law School Grads:

After about a month or two of digesting the January LSAT and getting accepted into my top choice for September, 2021. The thought of law school and becoming a lawyer is daunting and worrisome. After some thought and reading posts like: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/23446/a-discussion-to-begin-a-debate-my-position-on-0l-prep, I am definitely going to prepare for 1L.

Here are some questions I hope you can help me with:

Is it beneficial to continue studying using LSAT prep materials like 7Sage?

What are Canadian equivalents to Hornbooks and Examples and Explanations?

Any other general tips, guides, studying that one should do before law school?

Please do not say something like "relax and enjoy the summer", as I am dead set on studying for 1L. Just asking for people's opinion on what the best plan of attack for 1L is.

Hi folks,

I just registered for the June test, so that's 3 months away. I've been studying since Jan and PT avg 158 (goal of 160-165). LG is actually my consistently highest score (avg -5 or so) with LR and RC between -7 to -10.

Should I prioritize getting 0/-1 on LG over trying to get gains on LR or RC? I'm also working on the Loophole and while it has great tips, I think I'm just too new to it to see results.

I also don't really have a ton of time to study thanks to a full-time job, so I know that my gains might be pretty limited for June.

Thoughts?

I find that when I am doing in out games with conditional statement rules, my diagram is logically correct nut looks different than the explanation videos and it is harder for me to get to the answer using my way. When I watch the vidoes, it is much clear to follow the path to the right answer using the instructor's videos. I can't seem to figure out how to follow his method of drawing the diagram on future similar games

For example, I did PT 36 Game 1 today and my diagram looked like this

O -> P -> not K -> T

-> W -> F or T

I plan to take the lsat twice, but of course I would try my best to prepare for the first take as well just in case that I may be able to pass it after the first take. So I wonder if I should finish all PTs before the first take cuz finishing them up may help me become more ready for the first one but I wouldn't have any PT to use if I decide to take a second chance.

What form of studying does the majority of your practicing consist of?

Is it times practice, with blind review after? Or is the majority strictly untimed, with an additional blond review right after? And for the preptest, are you timing those as well?

I feel i learn the most untimed.

I am at a impasse. I am trying to decide whether I should test in June 2021 or August 2021.

I finished my first practice test. My test score was 134 on my first try. The Blind review score was 141. If I test in June, I am on a three and a half month plan. If I test in august, I am on a 5 and a half month plan.

Is it worth a shoot testing in June 2021 because 3 months is the average study time or due to my situation should I study longer due to my time constraints?

Hi,

As I'm waiting to hear back from a few schools, I figured I could do something useful by helping other students improve their scores.

I went from 140 diagnostic to 175 on the actual LSAT. I'm familiar with the Loophole, 7sage, The LSAT Trainer

I can help with LG/LR. Would anyone be interested? I might take the first 5 people for now. Msg or comment below

I was thinking you guys come with specific Qs and I can help solve it.

Thanks!

I've listened to J.Y.'s excellent podcasts with high-scoring 7Sagers. I've been amazed by the amount of dedication all of these 7Sagers interviewed have shown, and I greatly admire the fact that some of them studied for this test over a period of 1-2 years or more. I think the perseverance all these people have shown is incredible.

In Episode 1, Josh (Can't Get Right) improved from a 152 diagnostic to a 176, taking the test 4 times with his scores being 163, 162, 170, and 176. This process took 2 years and some months.

In Episode 38, Sami went from a 152 to a 173, taking the test 7 times. Sami studied over a period of 3 years.

In Episode 39, Rochisha improved from a 164 to a 174, also taking the test 4 times. Rochisha studied for 2 years.

I myself have been at this test for quite some time now. In total, I have studied for this test for over a year now. I scored a 169 and I'm aiming for a score in the mid-170s to high-170s. I've been BR-ing consistently in the low-170s and mid-170s. LG is still my weakest section, though I have work to do in all 3 sections.

Given that I am not a North American test taker, there are fewer tests available to me and more time between each test. I wasn't fully focusing on the test the whole time. Some weeks I've gotten to study 30-something hours, most weeks at least 15-20 hours, and some other weeks no studying at all.

I was planning on applying this year, but I am considering waiting another year to apply while I continue to work and try to retake my test for a higher score. Given my personal timeline, if I were to retake the test, I would have to wait to apply in the fall of 2022 instead. My plan would just be to study part-time while I work since I'm already at a very high level in terms of my knowledge.

I love studying for this test and I have learned so much. I feel like I continue to learn a lot from it every single day. Just in terms of enjoyment and growth, I wouldn't mind spending even more time on this test. I'm very proud of the work I've put in and where I've scored, but I definitely feel like I could do even better and hit my target. For me, it feels like it's just execution that's missing, that I need to work on.

But another part of me also wonders if this is too much time to spend on a test. I wonder if I've been too focused on this one thing for too long now, and whether it would be a good idea to just apply to law school now and see where I get in, even though my current score-GPA combination is likely not good enough for my top choice schools.

For those of you who have studied for a longer period of time (i.e., at least 1 year, if not more), perhaps retaking the test a few times, how long have you studied for? How long do you plan on studying for? What were your reasons for studying for such a long time? Do you find this investment of time and energy worthwhile?

If you studied for the test for more than a year, how did you maintain a healthy relationship with this test? As J.Y. said in one podcast, a lot of high-scorers are very meticulous and even obsessive about this test. I find that I am like this too. But I also know that a healthy balance is important. How did you deal with the mental part of it all? How do you get back up after not getting the score you wanted 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... times?

I also know that, from an outside perspective, it can seem extreme to friends and family who do not have a great understanding of this test and the law school admissions process that someone is studying for a standardised test for such a long time. It might seem quite over the top to them, especially if they don't understand the difference that just a few points on this test can make. How did you explain your time commitment to friends and family? How did you manage this part of the equation?

Hello my name is Luan Phan,

I'm a first generation Asian - American with aspirations of attending a T - 14 Law School. I have been studying for the LSAT on and off throughout college and decided pretty late in my career to attend law school. However; I recently have just graduated college and I feel kind of lost on how to proceed forward and would appreciate any advice that is provided.

Some context into my situation - I did exceptionally well in college and received an A in all my classes as a Marketing Major and would now like to transition my life towards studying for this rigorous exam. I plan on taking the exam around Late July(Which is 5 months) and this exam is my entire focus for this time - period. How would you approach studying for the exam? I have completed some of the core curriculum, but will start over from the beginning again, since I had to stop studying due to graduation and the circumstances of the ongoing pandemic.

I don't really have anyone to ask for help because none of my friends are pursuing the same career aspirations or have similar aspirations as mine, that is why I am reaching out to those who are more experienced. I'm really anxious and scared because my family and friends believe in me, but I just need a little bit of help in the right direction.

Update: Thank you so much for all the help that was given to me! I am truly appreciative and was at a very mentally tough place in my life this past month. However; I have taken some time off to refocus and get my life in - order so that I can focus on this exam. I have realize that this journey is now about an ideal score, but the continuous improvement on your skillsets and I have learned to trust the process and believe in myself. I appreciate all of your time and effort in helping me through my struggles. From the bottom of my heart thank you so much to everybody!

I just recently found out there should be a way on here to create my own problem set! I want to make a "wrong answer" problem set, but I can't figure it out. I went to the resources page where it says how to, and I still can't make one. Has anyone here made their own problem set?

I've been averaging 157 on a few older (30s-40s) PTs and tried 51. Got smashed with a 150. Is PT51 pretty indicative of later/more recent PTs or is PT51 harder than normal?

Hi all,

I joined this community last year and it was instrumental to my success on the LSAT. The discussion boards are very responsive and blow Reddit out of the water. I wanted to provide a brief update and volunteer advice to anyone who can make use of it. I got a 165 in October 2020 after studying pell-mell. After that, I completed the core curriculum systematically and started a Reading Comprehension study group with fellow students from the discussion boards.

Fortunately, that work paid off with a 172 a month later. I completed my personal statement, essays, and addenda over the next two months and submitted to twelve schools slightly before their official deadlines. Another member of my study group was able to get a 176 in November, but he's still waiting to get an acceptance from the T-14. It seems as though scoring high on the LSAT is more necessary than sufficient these days.

As many of you know, it's a remarkably competitive admissions cycle. Taking into account the margin of error, there are nearly twice the number of scores higher than mine this year compared to last year. And I believe the last two years may have already been setting records for volume of applicants to law school. So I'm waiting. I've decided to hang my shingle as a tutor while I wait to hear back. Another friend of mine was fortunate enough to get into Yale Law School with a 171, but he submitted early and has a nose for what admissions committees want to hear. I'm in New York and it's not quite safe to return to normal life yet.

Advice that I'm not sure you'll receive elsewhere is to find and form study groups. Even (and especially) if it feels like studying with others is onerous, there is a social reinforcement that really aids retention and skill-building. My other tip is to take it easy. The best athletes know that how you rest is as important as how you work! ; )

Feel free to reach out with any questions if you think I can help you!

Hi everyone. I received a 164 in November and I have so far been WL by every school that I have applied to. I am considering taking the June test and reapplying next year. Is it possible to go from a 164 to a 170+ by June?

Additionally: Logical Reasoning is my worst section. No matter what I try, I cannot improve. I was going -5/-7 on it for a while, but somehow, I'm now scoring something crazy like -11/-12 per section. RC and LG remain consistent (respectively: around a -3 and a -0/-1 for each). June would be my sixth take, which scares me as well.

Hi! I've seen discussions online about the standard number of questions you can get wrong to score 170 (-7). Does anyone know what that number typically is for higher 170 scores, like 176? Does -3 or -4 sound right?

Have some time to kill. Anyone want to talk prep strategies, commiserate about this crazy app cycle, or throw some questions around?

CLOSED - Thanks for joining in everyone!

Can you use ctrl-F on the LSAT-Flex? I.e., this is completely allowed and not considered cheating in any way?

To everyone that's been taking timed PTs-- Is it better to take full practice exams on the LSAC website, or to stimulate flex conditions on 7Sage? What did you all find was more efficient /accurate? It's much easier to stimulate FLEX on 7Sage's interface, but I feel like the question clarity (especially for questions like RC) are so much better on the LSAC test hub.

I could use any advice.

Thanks!

Hey guys, I just entered the PT phase of my lsat prep. I am planning on taking preptest 1-35 untimed, do blind review. And then, take full length timed test from PT 36. What do you guys think of this approach? Should I maybe do untimed from like 1-20? then from 21 move on to timed test?

Do you read? Exercise? Drink 3 Red Bulls? lemme hear it.

I'm in need of a distraction. PT 88 just went, well... :')

Hey guys,

So I just started taking pts and doing blind reviews. It took me 5 days to solve and complete blind review pt1. but I think i can do two PTs a week. how many pt a week js realistic? I am doing lsat full tjme. And my goal is to take the october tesr. thank yyou!!!