Feeling discouraged. I will put this in LSAT terms

Premise 1: according to stats (ie powerscore forum, Reddit, law forums etc) most diagnostic score are around 150

Premise 2: according to same sources, most people improve 10pts only

Premise 3: I did not score a 150. I did not do the logic game section (didn't know how to do it and gave up and just guessed on the 4 games).

Premise 4: if I had above average intelligence, I would have scored 150.

Conclusion: I am of below average intelligence and not capable of a high score.

I’ve heard that the LSAT has gotten harder over the years to keep up with all the increased LSAT prep resources that are now available. My test scores seem to reflect that. I scored a 177 on PT 44 after only a week of studying logic games and another 177 on PT 52 after a month of going to an LSAT prep class. But on the recent PTs, 70 and up, my scores ranged from 170-174. I took the September LSAT (Saturday Observant) and scored a 173. Granted I haven’t put the time and effort into studying that I should have but I expected that I would be able to get close to my original score on PTs 44 and 52 especially after months of studying(albeit light). Any thoughts?

Do schools penalize you for being under the word count? The majority of the schools I'm applying to have the same general prompt so I'm tweaking the same personal statement for each school. Currently, I'm just below 5,000 characters (which is the limit for School A), but School B gives a limit of 6,000. Will it be a bad mark against me for not using the entire character/word allowance?

Hi all,

I've made some pretty respectable progress since the beginning of my LSAT journey. I went from 138 to the low 160s.

My improvements were:

LR -15 to about -6 (My BR is -2 to -3)

Games: -18 to about -2 (I can go -0 depending on mistakes or not, I make really stupid reading mistakes like assuming that its MBT when it says MBF"

RC: I average -13 (weakest section) and can't get any better, although i don't really practice this.

With only 4-5 weeks left, what should I focus on if I'm trying to score 165+? I want to drill RC for 1-2 weeks to see if I can turn that -13 to to a -7, but I'm not sure if that would be the greatest use of my time. I do 10 in 10 pretty well for LR, but questions 13-20 really stump me.

Open to any advice on how to get the most gains in 4 weeks, considering the information above.

Thanks i love you all, and thanks for reading!

PS: Reschedule isn't an option, I've put this darn test off for like 2 years already. I'm really proud of my improvement so far and want to be done with the LSAT by this Nov. 165+ is the goal, I would be happy with 163-164!

Hi everyone.

I have really bad news.

We are taking down all of our free Logic Game videos on YouTube on November 15.

Two months ago, LSAC's legal department requested that we remove the videos on copyright violation grounds. We immediately retained Quinn Emanuel, one of the best law firms in the country, and worked with two amazing lawyers (one of whom used to be a 7Sager) to try to work this out with LSAC. Despite our efforts, they remain firm. Our remaining option was to litigate but we don't have the resources to pursue that path.

On November 15 our LG videos will no longer be available to the public for free. They will still exist, but only to students enrolled in a full 7Sage course. This way, we can track usage and send licensing fees accordingly.

These videos have been free for nearly eight years. In that time period, we created an alternative to the paradigm of expensive, in-class test prep in the form of free and low cost, on-demand lessons. I'm sad to see these free videos—a mainstay of both our business and social mission—go. I've had many students tell me that they couldn't afford a course but fully utilized our LG videos, which made me very happy. I've also had many tutors tell me that they don't tutor LG anymore because there's no need to. It makes me feel good to know that we made an impact for some students.

I wanted to see in quantitative terms how much of an impact the LG videos made.

We ran the numbers and generated the chart below. This is data pulled from our analytics. We did our best to exclude retakes, older data, and other data that might inflate scores. Look at the blue and grey lines for LR and RC. They peak around minus 3 or 4, meaning more 7Sagers got around 3 to 4 wrong per section than any other number. Compared to the full population of LSAT takers, this curve is likely left-skewed simply because they're all 7Sagers, a group of students who take their studies seriously. Still, the distribution is relatively normal; you can make out the curve. Relatively few people get -0/-1 on those sections.

Now look at the orange line for LG. The peak of the curve sits at -0/-1. Take a second to think about this. This means more 7Sage students taking PTs got an LG score of -0 or -1 than any other score. That's not normal.

https://i.imgur.com/wbGCrjb.png

I'm curious about the actual exam data on the yearly LG curve over the past decade. My guess is that the curve moved left, meaning the average student has been significantly improving on LG. The actual LG curve might even look similar to ours, since everyone had access to our LG videos. If true, this could offer an explanation for LSAC's increasing preference for weird, miscellaneous games.

Anyway, back to the fact that we're having to remove all our LG videos from YouTube, which is really the point of this post: I'm sorry. If I don't sound more upset about it, it's only because I've had two months now to absorb the blow.

You probably have questions. I'll try to check back here today and tomorrow to answer the ones I can.

Hi everyone!

This question is for anyone who has already taken the LSAT. I am wondering what is allowed during the 20 minute breaks between sections, specifically, if snacks are allowed. I am hypoglycemic, and if I don't have a small snack every few hours, my blood sugar drops. I get dizzy and my brain performance suffers. If they do allow snacks during the breaks, how does this work? Can you bring your own? Or are there ones for purchase at testing centers? Any input would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Nicole

Hi all! I decided to delay taking the LSAT until next year thanks to everyone's advice on here.

One question I have is re: the LSAT journal and how people are keeping track of troublesome Qs / question types, Logic Games, etc. Now that everything is digital I am doing the problem sets and PTs on my iPad, but in order to review the questions or particular games I feel like having them printed out and in a binder would be more helpful.

Could you please share your strategy for reviewing old games / questions? Especially given the transition to digital.

Or do you use the "flagging" feature within 7Sage?

What do your LSAT journals look like?

Thank you so much in advance!

I login but it shows blank page under course tab and discussion tab shows a lesson I took a while ago... Maybe I'll delete and reinstall. Everything is fine on desktop.

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Ok I was scoring mid-160s consistently last week. I started with the 80s this week and I've been getting destroyed. ANybody else have this experience?

HI All!

I was on track to take the November LSAT, but I decided to push back to January and strictly focus on taking PT's, and build speed and accuracy. My goal score is a 165 or higher, I have been currently scoring in the mid 150s and still need to close that gap between my actual score and BR score. So far, I have been scoring my goal score during BR. I will also add that my diagnostic score was a 144, so there has been improvement.

I was wondering about how many PT's is it recommended to take until you actually hit your goal score?

I know it all depends on the person, study habits, how many hours you put in, etc. But if you guys have any tips advice on how to close that gap, I would like to hear.

See email from LSAC:

You registered to take the LSAT on October 28, 2019.

You have now been assigned to center 23121 - SHERATON NEW YORK TIMES SQUARE HOTEL II to take the Paper LSAT.

Your admission ticket will be available for printing 14 days prior to your test date through your LSAC online account.

I saw a post on Reddit but that person is still confused.. Is anyone experiencing this??

Hello everyone,

I am signed up for the November and the January LSAT. Was hoping to hit a 162-165 November but my last PT indicates that I may not be ready.

That being said, would anyone have a 2-3 month study plan that they’ve used or perhaps some advice?

Some context on me, my BR is at my target score but my timed score isn’t. I finished CC a while ago. For the past few months I’ve been revisiting the CC and redoing questions and also taking timed PTs here and there. Since August I’ve taken 3 PTS only since I felt I wasn’t ready for most of them.

I’ve also been redoing difficult games.

My main problem during PTs is that I get thrown off by a few questions and it just throws me off for the rest of the PT.

Any recommendations are greatly appreciated!

Where can I get the 7sage digital tester?

I recently got an email from Yale inviting me to register for one of its online open houses, and the email ended with something along the lines of, "We have carefully selected you as a prospective applicant..." Did anyone else get this as well and/or know whether or not it's just a mass email?

Hi all — I have a question on the admissions process. I took the September exam and received a terrible score (in the low 140s), so I am planning on sitting for the November one. Ideally, my November score would be higher, but regardless, I’m committed to applying this cycle and given my career goals and situation, I am fine with going to a lower-ranked school. A little background about myself: I graduated from a strong liberal arts college in 2018 with a 3.8+ GPA and worked as a paralegal at a big law firm in downtown NYC for about a year following graduation — stopping early this summer to dedicate full-time studying for the LSAT.

Now to my question: am I allowed to apply to a couple of schools where I have a high chance of securing admission (Roger Williams, New England Law, Vermont Law, among others) with my September score right now — and then wait for my November score to apply to a different set of schools, assuming that my score is higher? The rationale for applying right now to lower ranked schools would be to take advantage of getting my app in early and to get a couple of acceptance letters, which would give me the peace of mind that I will be going to law school next fall. Does this rationale have merit or upside? (Would I even hear back from schools before December?) And will admissions at schools like Roger Williams frown upon that or not at all? Moreover, would they delay rendering a decision on my app since they know that I am taking it again and do not want to immediately accept me knowing full well that I won’t likely attend if my Nov. score is higher? As you can discern, I am in the process of processing my September performance and am concerned about admission. In addition, if I apply to a school right now/before my November test, will they wonder why I am applying at this moment, as I assume that they can see that I’m registered for November? Further, I plan to write an LSAT addendum, but if I were to apply before the November test, how would schools interpret that? Will they think: “Why is he writing an addendum when he only took it once and seems to be settling on such a dismal score?”

Any insight and advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

Hey Sagers. So I am a week away from test day and I've been performing consistently well on LR and LG (consistently getting less than -5 on these sections). The one thing that is still KILLING me and when I say killing me, I mean i'm averaging roughly -7 to -10 on this section is RC. I don't expect to see this go down exceptionally within a weeks time but I was wondering if anyone had any RC advice/tips that helped them especially? I would like to go intot this exam as confident as possible, so even seeing the slightest bit of progress would definitely be a boost. Thanks all in advance and best of luck to everyone!!

Still a long way to go until March but super happy with BR score. Was stuck in low 170s for a bit and now its creeping up :) Press on sagers!

Thanks

Hi,

I applied to a number of schools last year, and was very excited to receive an offer from a Canadian law school (although it's for the dual JD program). However, I had to decline the offer due to a number of family reasons.

I am applying again this cycle, and I wanted to know if I can apply to the same law school again even though I had to decline their offer during the last cycle?

I know that you get something like a notebook with some pages and that you can ask for more if need be, but I wanted to know, what are its dimensions roughly? I imagine it's either printer paper size or like those smaller blue booklets they give out on university exams. Thanks!

Hello everybody!

With a fresh PT just released and LSAT writings around the corner I figure its time to host another public Blind Review seeing as how the video explanations for the questions are not available and there may be some out there who want to do PT 88 before they are released.

I am hosting a blind review session for PT 88 next Saturday at 11 am eastern. There is no need to register just clink on the link provided below at the right time and you'll be in.

We will cover all the sections but history tells me LR will receive the bulk of the attention. The idea is to come into this session as a true blind review, and to get the most out of this session I would suggest that you do not check the answer sheet and bring the questions you are unsure of during the session. I will provide the answers as we go along so if there is a question that you did not flag but got wrong we can address that on the spot.

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Hey 7Sagers,

For a limited time, you can pick up PrepTest 88 (September 2019 LSAT) for $5.97 here:

https://classic.7sage.com/addons/

This comes with digital testing and the password-protected PDF of PT88, and a +1 month extension to your account.

Once the explanations are available, they will automatically be added to your account if you have access to this PT.

Please note that you must be enrolled in a Starter, Premium, or Ultimate course to add this PT on. Ultimate+ automatically has this PT added on.

Here in about 2 weeks, my Starter status will expire and switch to Alum (I think). I'm currently in my admissions cycle and will become a bit more scarce here. I know 7Sage really helped me on this journey, and I don't know that I could have done as well without the program or this supportive community. (3(/p)

To everyone still at it: keep going. There is another side. I have seen it! It's also very stressful, but it's pretty awesome. :)

For those who have been curious, so far, I have 2 acceptances and 4 apps out. One acceptance came with a scholarship, and the other came with a full-ride offer. I hope to come back and update you guys on how it all panned out in the end. Hopefully by February, I'll know for sure.

Keep fighting the good fight, guys! It's worth it.

Hello,

I just got a very short email from LSAC saying that "due to circumstances beyond our control" my test center location has been changed for the October LSAT. The new test center is an hour further away and I registered several months ago (way before the deadline to register). I really don't want the stress and confusion of having to drive an extra hour the morning before the LSAT. Does anyone know why this happened and if it is worth calling them to see if I can change back?