Hi all!

Having taken the LSAT at both Drexel (July 2019) and Temple (2015 December and 2017 February) I thought I would pass along a review for those who are interested. Bottom line: Temple is great, Drexel is terrible.

Temple:

Students are about 15-20 to a room and each has their own table with a chair. You have lots of room for spreading your materials out and the lighting in the room is nice. The chairs are comfortable and there is plenty of leg room. The proctors know what they are doing and it's easy to get in/out, there is a water fountain, and the temperature is appropriate. The parking wasn't an issue either time I went, but those were weekend tests so I would recommend a parking garage for any weekday testing in the future.

Drexel:

One huge auditorium for everyone (60 people?). The auditorium has rows of chairs arranged in three columns (something like 5-10-5 on chair distribution). The geniuses in charge decided to put all of us in the middle column, so that there were four in a row. There is no space to walk out of the middle of the row of chairs without forcing people to fold down their little tables, stand up, and let the person pass. This means that if someone in a middle row needs to use the bathroom during the test, the people on the end will have to put their test away and stand up twice to let them through. When they handed out the test, they made everyone fold down their tables so the person could squeeze through each row of chairs. They then realized they forgot to collect admissions tickets, so they had to do it all over again. Repeat for pre-break and post-break. All in all, it was pretty annoying to have to put your stuff away constantly, especially when they could have put half the test takers on the side columns and thereby created free rows to walk through as proctors. Additionally, the rows are so closely packed together that anyone over 6 feet tall will have serious difficulty being comfortable during the test. I am 5'11" and my back hurt by the end of the test from being in such cramped conditions.

The tables that fold out from your chair are too small for the paper version of the test. The paper extended significantly over the edge, and I broke a pencil tip by accidentally writing off the table. It also necessitated an annoying back-and-forth motion between the answer sheets and the test booklet. I can't even imagine how the tablets are going to fit on these tables with the scratch paper. I think it will prove to be a serious challenge to anyone taking the test there in the future.

The water fountain was also broken at the test center, so there was nothing for people to drink who either didn't bring water or who brought something else (I brought some iced coffee but then had to live with dry mouth for the rest of the exam).

The proctors stamped around as they watched you take the test, and stood VERY close to you when they stopped (I had one basically brushing legs with me at one point).

The room was also insanely cold. I had jeans and a jacket on, and don't get cold easily, and thought it was on the frigid side. I saw one student who only had a t-shirt hugging herself for warmth during the break.

There were also a few semi-inflated helium balloons floating at the ceiling, which could potentially fall on a test taker during the exam. That's not a big deal but it also shows a lack of attention to detail by the test center.

All in all, I would NOT recommend Drexel as a test taking site.

I scored 141 and my BR was 156. My target is 160-163.

My scores were the following:

LR: - 12

LG: -18 😒

LR: -15

RC: -13

After BR

LR: -9

lG: -10

LR: -12

RC: -7

I’m taking the September test. Do I even have a shot? It was the first time i ever did LSAT on a tablet and i was very nervous dor some reason.....

For full disclosure, i was in and still am in the process of FPing games and it’s been a while since I reviewed LR and basically only did RC for a week. Can i get to my target score in 2 months? And if can you guys give me some advice.

The only silver lining that I see here is my BR score is close to my target score.

Help me folks😎

Hi guys!

I am in need of some Hail Mary encouragement but also want to be realistic... I'm taking tomorrow's test haha

I am a full time working professional and have 2 kids. Since sitting the Nov 2018 test as a "base line" (161), I THOUGHT I was seeing drastic improvement in my scores... I sat the March 2019 test and scored 161 again, but our testing center had some unusual circumstances that were distracting (our proctor informed LSAC of the anomalies but we weren't given much choice other than cancel + free test or see your score and no free test... I chose to see my score just in case).

Since March 2019, I've been fairly consistent in my studies and had been doing 1 PT per week... from May to June I was consistently scoring 166-170 and I was using mostly PT Vol 5 and 6 (used other older tests for drills and digital practice).

Well, I purchased PT 87 and bombed it at 159...!! I had never received that score before. Some things I noticed... whereas when I was scoring in the high 160s, I was averaging -4 on each RC and LR sections, the recent PTs are about -10 for RC and -8 for just one of the LR. WHAT GIVES?!

I did notice that these newer tests "feel different"... am I just crazy and stressing out too much or are the differences between Vol 6 and recent PTs (82+) substantial enough to impact test day performance?

Hi All,

Quick Blind Review question: I'm shooting for the September LSAT and the way I've set up my schedule right now is practice exam, followed by 3 BR days, followed by a day off, followed by exam, etc. It's my first week following this schedule and I'm noticing that 3 days (~3/4 hours per day) is actually not enough of BR for me. I take a really long time to write out explanations for all the questions I've flagged, and then I watch J.Y.'s video explanations on questions I'm not too sure of. I'm trying to be as meticulous as possible and to really document every part of my thought process in order to better identify traps and other details. My question is: is it worth taking that fourth day (that's supposed to be a no-LSAT day) to BR instead? So the new schedule would be, exam, 4 BR days, exam, 4 BR days, etc etc. I don't want to feel rushed during BR but I also don't want to risk burning out in the long-run if I get rid of my no-LSAT days.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

So, My request is that someone should do a new tutorial on how to approach the RC in digital form. Looking at Khan academy exams and 7sage beta, we know that we are using highlighting. But how do we utilize the memory method onto digital exams as we can't write little notes anymore. From Last yr or so, I am practicing for paper exam and suddenly there is digital form which completely throws me off when it came to RC. I hope there is a new tutorial on RC on how to best highlight the reading material.

I've noticed that it seems most students start a PT better and then finish worse. This is big reason why there is a such an emphasis on building up your endurance while taking practice tests.

I however have the opposite problem. The first and second sections are almost always worse (and more mentally taxing) than the later sections. I attribute this to my brain just not being fully awake and I've realized that I need a considerable warm-up in order to preform well.

Anyone else have this problem?

Diag'd a 169 on the Sept. 2006 PT, stuck at a high of 171, plan is to take 2-3 PTs a week leading to the September LSAT. I'm worried about the PT --> actual score drop-off. Anyone else taking September LSAT?

Hello Everyone!

Yesterday I received my score for the June 2019 Asia LSAT and I received my goal score - 173. I am just writing to say thank you to this awesome community. I wasn't particularly active on the forums during my time here, but the few questions I posted were met with some amazing advice that really helped me. Law school applications are insanely competitive, and it's pretty special to see such a large group of students collectively root for each other. It gave me tremendous hope and motivation throughout my LSAT journey.

Also, having used a large variety of study materials (Blueprint in-person course, LSAT Trainer, Powerscore Bibles, Cassidy LR Loophole), I want to take this opportunity to endorse the 7Sage curriculum, especially for what was my weakest section - RC. Many people told me that RC was something too difficult to improve; I went from a -11/-12 average at the start of my study to -2/-3 now, just by practicing the memory method untimed (and then timed of course).

But most of all, I really want to convey this: I am NOT a "natural" at the LSAT. I found this test so unbelievably difficult, and it had me in tears several times. So to everyone who is afraid or hurting because you just can't face another circular game, or another passage about medieval art, or another brutal necessary assumption question -- you don't have to give up. And you certainly don't have to let some subjective, preconceived, bullshit idea about your own intelligence dictate how well you can do on this test.

Anyways, I really hope this doesn't come off as bragging, I sincerely don't mean it that way. I just a lot of respect and gratitude for 7Sage and all of you sagers, and if it's wanted, I would be happy to give some (hopefully) useful advice back to the community.

Hey all,

I know 1L prep is generally not advised. However I was considering "Start Law School Right" by the Law School Toolbox. Can anyone provide feedback? I've looked for reviews but found none. Not sure if this is a new program or not.

Hello Everyone,

My name is Kimberly and I started my 7sage course about a month ago. I was wondering if somebody could give me their input as to whether I should completely finish the core cirriculum, and then start on practice tests, or take practice tests as I work on the curriculum. I plan on taking the LSAT in September and want to make sure that I get enough practice tests in, but am not too sure if finishing the course before continuing with the practice tests is the wiser option. What works or worked best for you?

Is the opposite of "Could be True" "Must be False"? So for a CBT question would all the incorrect answers be MBFs?

Also does it make sense to say that the most difficult answer choices to eliminate on MBT questions will be the CBTs? Since they might be 80% correct but not perfect?

I'm thinking about Logic Games with these questions in minds.

Thanks.

During my PTs, I consistently average -3 per LR section, with one miss usually coming from the first ten questions. I rarely have much time to go back over troublesome questions. I think that going through the section more quickly, skipping confusing questions and allowing time for review, will help me improve. I want to start intentionally implementing this strategy and was wondering if anyone could recommend specific ways to practice. Is it just a matter of videoing myself taking PTs, or are there other methods for speeding up?

I’m a non-traditional that took the LSAT in 2016 after taking a local prep course. I scored in the low 160 range (diagnostic was mid 150s) and decided against applying as I felt I hadn’t reached my potential, and primarily because I had remaining commitments/goals I wanted to achieve before school (I’m military). So, I decided 2020 would be the best time for me to attend law school. I recently restarted my studying to apply this fall, and will be sitting for the test on Monday.

Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to bring my score up significantly enough on practice tests so realistically I am looking at using July as my gauge—being able to see the score before deciding if I should cancel or not has its advantages despite not being fully ready to go. Given registration deadlines, I’m torn on if I should register for September and give myself roughly 8 weeks to close the gaps I still have on the test (my BR is averaging 10 above actual), giving myself enough time to apply early (by thanksgiving) or if should give myself 12 weeks of study and take the October LSAT—and likely push applying to before Christmas.

Pending finances, I do plan to do the 7Sage Admissions as well, so any insight the community can provide would be really helpful!

Hi everyone! I need some advice on what my study should focus on before the September 2019 test. I’ve taken the LSAT twice before, with an 10 point increase on my last try - to a 164. My goal is anywhere between 167-170.

I have actually taken a long hiatus between my last test and now (it’s been 1.5 years). I didn’t think I would retake, but am applying to law school this year and want to aim for T14 so would like to increase my score (even just by a few points), if possible. [strong softs, strong undergrad]

I’ve taken EVERY prep test before PT 81 (albeit more than 1.5 years ago) and am worried that practicing with old PTs that I’ve taken won’t be good enough practice because I’ve seen all of the questions before. I’m leaving all of the new PTs that I haven’t taken yet for mid August - September.

I’m going through the core curriculum now and am halfway done. I need to do this to refresh my memory on strategy, etc. What are your guys’ suggestions in terms of a study schedule after I’m done with the CC? Does it make sense to continue practicing with old PTs? Do you think taking a PT that I’ve seen before is still a good indicator of score?

Also, should I be drilling sections AND doing the CC right now given that the test is only 2.5 months away? Or just finish the CC before moving onto PTs?

I really appreciate your help!

I am scheduled to take the July LSAT. I plan on purchasing a prep course immediately afterwards to prepare for the October LSAT. While there are quite a few programs on the market, I have narrowed my choices to 7Sage vs LSATMax. Being users of 7Sage, what would you say are the main reasons to choose 7Sage over LSATMax? I would especially love to hear from anyone who has used both courses previously and can compare them first hand.

Hi everyone,

I have finished the CC and have taken 3 PTs (36,37 and 39) scoring 149, 149 and 152 respectively with blind review scores of low 170s for all three. As reflected in my blind review score, the content is not the main issue for me but rather timing is. I have missed 1 game and 1 one RC passage for the past three timed exams and constantly miss around 6-7 questions per LR section. I am currently in the process of fool proofing games from PT 1-35 so I hope by September I am able to finish all the games in 35 minutes, but I am wondering what do you recommend for timing especially for LR sections? Do you think the jump from 149 to 166+ is reasonable with two months of full-time studying (45hr/week) focusing on timed practice? Also, since my BR is higher than my actual score currently, do you think its okay to start taking 2 PTs/week?

Thank you all in advance!

Hi everyone,

Today I just did my first timed test

My weakest section was definitely RC (I feel like i spent too much time on the third passage and rushed through the last one, I dont really know what happened) and best was the LG (completely messed up the first game though). I am about to do my first BR.

I did the "learning" and the drills in our course. I have been studying constantly for nearly 2 months now.

I was feeling really down about this and feel terrible about myselif, in general. I wanted to know how you all saw the most improvement in your scores. I want to bring mine up, ideally, another 15 points. I wanted to know what your suggestions to improve were. Should I keep doing timed tests and BRs or should I get a prepbook or a tutor? I know it is only my first PT, and I intend to do the most recent (as of 50).

Any advice would be really appreciated. :(

People who take the LSAT tend to be driven, which is a good thing. But many of us try to get things done by cutting down on sleep. It may seem counterintuitive, but you’ll get more done in less time if you’ve got a full night of sleep, rather than cut down on your precious snooze time.

I speak from experience. I used to be someone who lived by all nighters. Sure, I got things done. I would’ve gotten a lot more done in less time if I had a full night’s sleep. Sleep deprivation seriously slowed my processing speed, affected my mood, and studies show that it can actually lead you to over eat. When I discovered the book Power Sleep, by James Maas. It literally changed my life. My SAT score went up 150 points to the 99th percentile, not from additional study - I just got a good night’s sleep before my retake!

Here are some key points:

First let’s define a proper night’s sleep. I’m not talking about “getting by” on 5-6 hours. Your ability to process information is impaired with those limited hours. Especially if you’re taking something as intense as the LSAT.

To get adequate sleep you need anywhere from 8 to 10 hours. LeBron James is reported to get 12. Yes —That’s half the day. A good rule of thumb is that you’ll have enough sleep so that although you set your alarm clock, you’ll get up a bit before it – in essence, you won’t need your alarm clock. If that’s eight for me or ten for someone else, the point is that’s your number and you’ll function so much better with that amount of sleep.

The analogy I often use with my students is that it’s like having a laptop that is super slow at opening applications. That’s what my brain feels like when I don’t get enough sleep. Everything seem to take longer – almost painfully.

And trust me, I can tell when my students aren’t getting enough sleep. If we hadn’t had the conversation yet, that’s usually when we talk about sleep. And I feel for them, because I was that student and it looks so painful on the other end :)

Here are some key tips to proper sleep:

Set a regular sleep schedule. Despite misconceptions, it’s not like you really can make up sleep that you missed during the week or weekend (read about it in Power Sleep). So try to get that 8 to 10 hours consistently each night - and at the same times.

If you know that you’ve got your LSAT exam at a certain time, make sure that your sleep time is habituated for it well in advance.

Having trouble sleeping?

make sure that all lights and devices are off. If you live in a sunny climate like me, consider getting black out curtains if necessary.

Speaking of devices, you can use features like the sleep clock on iPhone to prompt you when it’s time to go to bed and keep you on a proper sleep cycle.

Limit caffeine intake before bed.

Perhaps my favorite — read an actual book before bed. Not a device, an actual paper format book. It’s old-school but if there’s no glare, and if it bores you to sleep even better!

Feel free to contact me with any questions on this or anything LSAT related.

I'm trying to figure out how to get my proper BR score. While I PT I flag the questions I missed and the questions I didn't do because I ran out of time (generally marked with the same AC if they are all consecutive and towards the end). Should I :

A) Do flagged questions and then score the timed PT and the BRd PT

B) Do flagged questions, check to see if I missed any questions I didn’t flag (without checking/remembering what the correct AC was) do those, keep ACs I chose for flagged questions and then score the timed PT and BRd PT?

C) Score the Bad PT twice: once after doing flagged questions and then once after doing the questions that were wrong but I did not circle them (I will just keep note of the first BR score after doing just flagged questions)

I do not intend to score the flagged question attempt if I still got it wrong or chose the wrong AC after BRing--I will just go review it, watch the video explanation and come back to it another time.

This is mainly for LR. I plan on just doing the LG section untimed, drilling it until I am under target time for each game and at 100% accuracy and then I will add the correct AC to that section in the BR score. I also plan on doing the RC section untimed to make and scoring that section into BR score.

I am also working with a blank copy (writing in July so just in case) but would like to know how any of this may be possible with digital because I plan to write in September as well.

I took international test and got my first official score today.

I have 13 weeks to study, and want to ask what would be the best course of action.

It was non-disclosed, so I don't really know how I did on each section. but I've been PTing at 164 for like 10 tests in a row.

For RC, I skipped the last passage totally and didn't even read the passage, skipping 5Q.

For LR, I skipped parallel questions and logic heavy questions(I think 5~6Q total from both LR sections) initially and came back afterwards to check if D is indeed the right answer.

I've done 22 PTs from PT 50+ so far, and have 17 fresh ones from PT 50+.

I've came up with three plans, but can't decide which one would be better.

Plan 1)

wk 1~3: CC + Manhattan prep LR book, 4 games, 2 passages every day

wk 4~13: 2 PTs / wk (1 used PT, 1 fresh PT)

Plan 2)

wk 1~13: 2 PTs / wk (1 used PT, 1 fresh PT)

Plan 3)

wk 1~3: 1LR timed section, 4 games, 2 passages every day.

I can't decide on what to do next. I've been getting the same score for last two months of PTs, so there might be something wrong with my current studying method... is 3 months enough to get 170+?

Hi all,

On the paper LSAT, we had (aspirational) strategies for pacing like first five/fifteen questions in the first five/fifteen mins. Is there something similar you use for the digital LSAT? How do you handle pacing in LR in particular on the digital test?

On the paper LSAT, I try to get the first 4 pages done in ~15-18 minutes so that I had the remaining time for the last two pages. It's hard to translate this to the digital LSAT.

I suppose, I could try to get the first 13-15 questions done in ~15-18 minutes.

From looking at 3 random tests, the LR question breakdown is:

page 2- question 6-8

page 4-question 13-15

page 6- question 18-21

page 8- question 25-26

In terms of RC and LG--my timing strategies have stayed the same.

Does anyone know what kind of scholarship I can get to Cardozo and or Fordham with a 165?

My GPA was around a 3.9.

I'm applying this year and I'm looking to go to reputable school without taking on much debt, if at all.

Thanks a lot.

It’s amazing to me how many factors go into how well you ultimately perform on test day beyond studying for months. For me, I noticed that simple things, like incorporating (light) exercise into my life, eating more protein, and doing a light jog before the test helped. As far as strategy, last time I focused on skipping to questions I can more easily answer first helped me get through section quicker.

What has improved results for you? Thought it’d be a nice topic for last minute tips and tidbits before July!

I usually wake up early around 5:30am to study LSAT before work. I am wondering if there's anyone also like to study in the morning? What do you start with your morning study? I usually do some PT questions the night before and start with reviewing the question in the morning (first thing to do) or I will start with some lectures classes(gives my brain some time to wake up while listening to explanation LOL). how do you start with your morning study routine?

Hi, all,

I've taken about a 4 month break from the LSAT do to personal reasons and just simply giving up. However, I am proud to announce that I am back and aiming to take the October 2019 LSAT.

Considering the LSAT is now digital, how should I resume? I was floating around the 155 range when I stopped and my break down was as follows:

Games: -2 to -6 on games (I've had perfect sections once or twice)

LR: -11 on the easier LR and -12-13 on the harder LR (My BR isn't much higher, i really need to work on my LR foundation)

RC: -15 on RC - Never really practiced this, I plan to go through the CC portion or the LSAT trainer on this section.

I'm aiming for 160, but please let me know what a reasonable jump is in about 15-16 weeks.

Any advice is MUCH appreciated, I am also open to PM's. THANKS!