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This is a really dumb question, but on the LSAC website there are only testing dates available until July. But the pdf of test dates for 2018 includes a September and November that aren't on the main site. Why is that?

So I'm registered for the June LSAT, and I've now begun the final stretch of my LSAT studies and I've noticed a weird phenomenon.

I pretty much invariably do better when I drill a single section (timed, test center conditions) vs. when I do the whole exam timed. It's got me puzzled, because I can't figure out why I'm scoring less when I do a timed exam vs. just the timed single sections.

It doesn't seem to be from mental fatigue, as it doesn't matter whether the section comes 1st or 5th, I just seem to miss 1-2 more questions when doing a full PT. In BR I can usually find the correct answer in under a minute but during the exam I guess I just have a stroke? Idk

What is the diagnosis for this problem? Just do a bunch of PTs? This forum seems pretty opposed to the idea of doing any more than 3 timed PTs per week, but I honestly don't know how to study any more because when drilling I go -0/-1 but on timed PTs I go -1/-3 on my LR and RC sections. The drilling doesn't seem to be productive any more.

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There is a lot of good criticism of the personality test, but I still think it's interesting to discuss..esp. in ctxt of the LSAT. Wondering if certain personality types (like analysts) actually tend to do better on the LSAT. I found very limited data with a google search. Thought the forum could be a good place to talk about it, criticize the test, and perhaps get into a nature vs. nurture debate :)

-Sam

Hello all.

Sorry if my writing is erratic, I'm a little stressed.

I am currently studying for the LSAT. I began my preparation in January and have been studying roughly 15-20 hours a week. My diagnostic score was a 153. I read through and took extensive notes on the PowerScore Bible trilogy (filled up a three subject notebook cover to cover with hand-written notes.) When the first of April rolled around, I took my first PT and received a 160. My individual sections were strong during the first half of the test and then dropped significantly after the third section break which seems to indicate an issue of endurance. My goal score is 170+.

I "wasted" April in the sense that I didn't study for a couple of weeks -- due to a family emergency I was traveling extensively and just generally pretty stressed. I deeply regret it because I feel like I'm now a month behind where I wanted to be. I haven't taken another PT and I don't feel like I've made any marked improvements since March. Back in March, I registered for the June test thinking that I'd be well prepared by then -- but now, it feels like its coming up way too quickly. I'm really kicking myself because of it and it fills me with a surprising amount of dread...

I signed up for the 7sage course recently because I didn't think the Bibles alone were adequate. I've found the course to be super helpful so far - I wish I had signed up back in January! But now, it seems as though I won't be done with the core curriculum until well into May and that won't leave me enough time to do the number of PTs I was hoping to tackle before the test.

It seems to me that the obvious solution would be to postpone until September but I am beginning a very stressful full-time job in late June and I don't know if I'll be able to juggle LSAT prep as effectively as I am now (I have a very flexible, low-stress part-time job at the moment.) The June administration was also ideal because I was hoping to assemble my application materials in the summer and send them off to law schools as soon as the app window opens in mid-September.

I was also thinking of just canceling the date and signing up for whatever administration I feel ready for (July, September, etc.) -- I'd lose 80 dollars this way but it'd be worth if for the peace of mind.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

So as I'm slowly making my way through the course I'm nervous that although I do the practice questions well I'm afraid that I'm not doing enough. I work full time as a litigation assistant, as some of you may know and probably have experienced this position is extremely demanding and at times I find it difficult to sit down and focus after a long day. However, every Saturday and recap and get things done. At times I find myself wondering if anyone used any other study materials i.e books along with the course to help them or are people just solely relying on the course? I have all the powerscore bibles and read them once A LONG LONG time ago, would it be worth it to re read them and continue this course? I haven't taken a prep test because my first one acouple months ago was TERRIBLE. idk just nerves and wanting to find a way to conquer this test. So far, I feel like this course is explaining things in a different light and helping me understand things better.

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Did decent in June 2017 for my first time and got 138. Took it for the second time in February, and I did worse (135). I believe that I did worse on the February LSAT because despite studying as much as possible, I was also grieving at the time. Thinking of reusing the material I have, but would like to know more information to do better my third time.

This is something I've been thinking about recently. Has the 'meta' changed for those who hope to go to a T6 law school?

This past cycle, we've seen a huge increase in the number of 175+ scoring applicants. I believe in past years there were only approximately ~400 175+ scoring applicants. This past cycle, there were almost 700 according to Spivey's 2017-2018 cycle data. (http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/new-2017-2018-cycle-data-as-of-3-27-18/)

And, just anecdotally, I've seen a lot of discussion on various forums from scorers in the 170-174 range who are planning on retaking just to break through the 175 barrier. And it makes a lot of sense -- I think if I had a 174 I would think about retaking as well. Getting past 175 will put you in the 75th percentile for all of the T6, and that's life changing.

Furthermore, I think almost anyone scoring in the 170-174 range is capable of scoring a 175+. At that point, taking the exam is more like rolling the dice to see whether or not the examination plays to or against your strengths. For example, if you're weak at RC, you can just sit for exams until you run into an exam with a particularly easy RC section. Now that there's unlimited retakes, there's no downside to doing this. The only limiting factors are time and money (which for a college entrance exam, really shouldn't be limiting factors imo).

Considering the huge benefits that a score increase from say a 172 to a 177 provide, is it not a no-brainer to take this approach to the exam? A Ruby at Chicago or an admittance to Yale are really life changing events, and they're both significantly more likely to happen if you're boasting a 175+ score.

Just to clarify, I'm not advocating this type of approach. To me, this just seems to be the obvious consequence of the new rules surrounding unlimited retakes and all of the new testing administrations. It does seem to give a distinct advantage to those individuals who can afford to delay a couple cycles, and keep sitting for the exam until it eventually plays to their strengths.

Is this the new 'meta' for T6? What do ya'll think, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

SO it seems to be easy to own easy flaw questions but the harder ones...the answers are so vague! And I've been getting everyone of the harder flaws wrong! GAH! I'm taking my LSAT in FEB but I NEED to master these.

Please. Any help would be great.

As I go through the core curriculum and the study schedule 7sage made for me, should I be doing the problem sets in the curriculum timed or untimed? Right now I'm doing them untimed because I want to master each question type and method for solving it and worry about time when I start doing PT but I want to know what you all think? Timed or untimed problem sets that are in the core curriculum?

So I have been off the discussion forum for the most part while I was going through the CC but now I am ready to jump in and get some advice. I have been very embarrassed of my PT scores but I’ve realized I cannot improve if I don’t own them. I would like to think I am fairly intelligent but my test taking abilities have always been lacking to say the least. This is mostly due to my ADD but that wasn’t something I realized I had until after college so I am used to working hard to keep up with everyone else. Which I fully expect to do here because even though I will be requesting additional time, I plan on taking all of my PTs with regular time until my accommodations have been approved. Either way time is my enemy! I know a lot of people like to look at the clock and know how much time is left but honestly that hinders me more than anything. As soon as I hear 5 minutes are left all the questions I have left I can almost guarantee will be either left unanswered or incorrect. My ability to focus is thrown out the window and all I can think about is the clock ticking away. I have watched the webinar on Post CC Strategies but I could really use some advice on what I should focus on next. I am ready to start on fool proofing LG but after my BR I am not sure if that should be my focus right now. I actually really enjoy LG and other than reviewing conditional lawgic and working on timing, LG is actually my strongest section in my BR.

Some background info on my PTs; my diagnostic back in June 2016 was a 135. I actually reconsidered law school at that point but after some time spent reflecting I realized it is something I am really passionate about so I decided to try again. My second diagnostic in April 2017 was a 142. Both of these were done with Kaplan using PT56. Now I really didn’t want to take either score too seriously because I actually remember dozing off on one of them and guessing on some when the time was running out.

However here is my breakdown of my after CC PT I did this past weekend:

Original 1st BR 2nd BR

RC -17 -12 -10

LR -12 -5 -5

LG -11 -7 -2

LR -11 -7 -7

The reason you see a 1st and 2nd BR is because I only went over the questions circled in the 1st BR. I then scored the PT without looking at the answers and was not happy with a 157 BR score. So I went ahead and went back over the entire test and that is how I came to a 2nd BR score of 160. My plan is to now watch the explanations of the questions I got wrong. However, after I do that, I don’t know if I should go ahead with my original plan of fool-proofing LG or if I should focus on LR and RC first. What does everything think?

Also I do not plan on going to a t14 school nor do I expect my score to eventually be in the 170s. I want to focus on Child Advocacy and Juvenile Law and just want to get into school and get a scholarship. I’m hoping to get into Texas A&M and after doing research on people accepted and offered scholarships based off GPA and LSAT scores I believe a 160 should be good with my 3.38 GPA.

I really appreciate everyone for taking the time to read this :)

Wondering if anyone has seen improvement in scoring after incorporating something like meditation, qi gong, yoga, vigorous exercise, or anything like that into their daily routine. I used to meditate everyday and I remember it helping me think clearly, which seems like it'd be helpful for the LSAT. What do you think? Does anyone feel like they can attribute positive results to something besides studying?

Greetings, my new friends,

I am excited to explore 7Sage and get to know you. This Fall I will start final year of undergraduate and I want to start studying the LSAT this summer.

I work about 58 hours a week and on a given day I may have one or two 30-45 minute periods of free time that I can use to study. Does anyone have any schedule or approach suggestions that might be helpful to me this summer as I begin my LSAT journey? I am doubtful that I can find two hours a day to study at this point...

Thank you for your time and consideration,

Trevor

This is my random thought. If I could get the LSAT sections line up in an order. This is an order that I wish it would be LR RC LR LG or RC LR LR LG. My reasoning is simple. I want to save my best stuff to close up and finish well. Much like a baseball game. The last part would be like a pitcher who is an ace that strikes out a lot of batters to close off the game and preserve the lead. Or 4th section to put the strong homer run hitter that cleans up. My PTs have been for the last 18 PTs 180.

Except one or two where it would be 179. I am sitting for the June 2018 LSAT and feel like I am going to the World Series to win the whole enchilada. Some people hate and dread the LSAT. I love the LSAT.

Hello sagers. I am in doubt about this. I have a terrific GPA in undergrad. 3.85. My LSAT performance is dismal. I am thinking of accepting an offer from a school which accepts lower tiers LSAT and possibly transfer from there to my school of choice later. is that a good strategy? I don't want to lose anymore time on dreaming im going to do well on the LSAT. I really dont have time to study like many of you i must work for a living and its hard to find time, even tough i put at least 20 hours a week to study. im all over the place. sometimes i do well sometimes i do not so i really cant gauge my level of performance.....

i really want to put the lsat on my rearviewmirror and start law school asap. I know I will do well in law school. its my dream to be there and I will succeed, but the lsat is really pushing me back.

Should i persist on the LSAT or should i enroll in a school that is not really a choice.....and try to transfer.

What say you?

Any comments are welcome.

Registered late and the only option for me was Hilton..

Am I going to take a test inside the hotel? Did anyone took a test there? How was your experience.

Hi guys! I've been taking practice LSATs at 168 with a BR score of 173. I'm trying to improve timing so I can get to that higher score. I just read something that said people wait to the end of a section to fill in the answer sheet. Whereas I just fill it in after every question I complete. I'd really appreciate your insights about whether waiting to fill it in saves you time or whether it increases error rate in the transfer process? Thanks in advance!

Made this after a recent foray into LR practice.

When I take timed sections/tests, I try to take my time and ignore the clock. Usually, I end up doing relatively well by focusing on accuracy rather than finishing on time (scoring in mid-high 160s). However, it is a bit discouraging knowing that when I blind review and take my time with all the questions, I get almost all questions correct. It's discouraging because I know my untimed potential, but it is completely different from my timed results. For background: this is the case with pretty much every section and I think I get stuck in the choices sometimes (especially for LR).

How did anyone with similar issues overcome them? How long did it take? Should I focus on being very strict with timing myself? Or, will I naturally get over the hump eventually?

Hi, so I took the first practice LSAT in the course (June 2007). I found that I'm very, very good at finding the right answers, but it takes me longer than 35 minutes. I was wondering if anyone else has been having this problem? When I don't try to answer everything in 35 minutes, I get only a few wrong. It's frustrating because the explanations to each answer make total sense to me, but I missed the question because i had to start rushing through my thought process in order to fit them in 35 minutes.

My BR and Actual Scores are the same for the last 3 PT's! I take my PT on Saturdays and BR for about 1 hour per section...Except for Reading Comp. I don't know how to BR that section....Anyway. I've improved A LOT since I started (135 to 154) since taking the December test. I want to get to 160 but I don't know what I'm doing wrong in my BR's.

#help

Hi everyone,

I recently joined the ultimate+ course after using the "lawschooli Mastermind" program for about 6 months (wish I had found 7sage earlier). Although I did establish a solid foundation on all aspects of the LSAT using the Mastermind program, I still have a few significant gaps in learning. I have already signed up for the June 2018 test and can still take it if I choose. As of right now, I am not PTing in my desired score range of at least 165. Since I am not a complete beginner at the LSAT, I plan on using the September 2018 test as my new date (assuming my PT score follows).

Would it be a bad idea to take the June 2018 test, knowing that I am not PTing in my desired range, in order to get over the feeling of taking the real test? (Basically overcoming "1st test anxiety") Since my plan is to be fully prepared by September I want the September test to go as smoothly as possible. Basically my idea for taking the June test would be to see what doing the real thing feels like apart from my full PT testing practice. Should I take the June test, knowing I am not as prepared as I should be, OR wait until September when I am hopefully PTing in my desired score range? Any advice is appreciated!

Hey Everyone,

I'm new to 7Sage, (a friend who went to T14 law school referred me) and I'm wondering which course is most worth it for me. I started studying for the LSAT last July, and took the December test even though I knew I wouldn't score high... regret. I had first paid for an expensive online course called Blueprint cause it looked light and doable... it was close to useless. Recently since January I got the powerscore books, just finished and have seen a lot of improvement (though my attitude has also changed about the whole test as well, which may have helped quite a bit). So, since I'm not a beginner, is the Starter course not worth it? I already have all of the preptests, I just want to perfect my skills and get more tips, cause I need to get high 160s or 170s. I usually score high 150s or low 160s on my PTs. Also, I saw the starter course has tests 35-44 but I already did 3 of them... so what do you guys think and did the extra stuff in the other courses give you the extra boost or was the core curriculum enough?

I'm supporting myself right now, and quite low on funds, but if I'm sure that it will do the trick I'm willing to invest...

Hi all,

I've taken the LSAT before and scored a 164. I am currently PTing around 168-171. I'm retaking in June and would like to solidify my understanding of LR by helping someone who is scoring average to below average. If you are interested, please comment below or send me a direct message.

Thanks!

My diagnostic was 143.

Out of 4 tests in the past 4 weeks, my actual scores range from 149 to 159. I finished the CC several months ago. Ever since, I have been drilling and along some fool proofing. I have been trying to raise my competence in all sections, which is why I haven't done the1-36 fool proof yet. There has at least been some success in my efforts, as my BRs range from 172 to 177 - I don't know what my BR would have been on my diagnostic - I didn't know BR existed at the time.

I do take breaks every once and awhile. I've actually been taking a break for 4 days now, and I might stay away from any material for another day or two. I have been studying for this test since June of 2017 (I took August off because I was starting two new jobs and moved to new apartment). Given the fact that I have spent 9.5 months on the LSAT, as you can probably imagine, I'm conflicted with my progress. On one hand I am happy to see my BR be in the mid 170s; it took many hours and nights to get there. However, most importantly, I am frustrated that I'm averaging a 153 (roughly -7 to -10 on all section types). Some of this is attributed to lack of confidence/fear/anxiety, I'm sure. But, I've been around on these forums for quite some time now, and I don't recall seeing too many posts about people who have as great a difference between one's actual score vs BR score, which is unsettling.

I've read countless articles about this test, and my many hours of reading and research are telling me that speed is simply a measure of your level of understanding. So, how do I achieve that type of understanding? It seems that doing 35 minute timed sections isn't doing much for me at the moment, other than freak me out. Should I time myself doing a section and not stress the 35 minutes instead? It's weird because if I do timed sections in 35 minutes right now, I could form bad habits because I will be rushing. Too, I could form bad habits by doing sections with more time than what is normally allowed. Any suggestions as to what I should do in this respect? Should it be a combination of both?

My plan at the moment is to fool proof LG 1-36 and to get that down to -0. I also think focusing on LR and RC on the weekends so as to maintain what I have would be a good idea, but I plan on spending the bulk of weekdays doing full sections of LG and really trying to dissect how the games work. Beyond the fool proofing though, I really am at a loss as to what to do.

Thank you for your time.

P.S. - My goal is 170. My goal for quite some time now has been to take this thing in September - but the likelihood of that is decreasing as the days go by.